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On 7/2/2007
Raymondo
wrote in from
Switzerland
(62.203.nnn.nnn)
Hey CC,
that's what used to call the prototype of my wooden TS deck I ride now. Sure it is more comfortable not to have to put a pile of risers under the tail only to get the angle you want. But somehow, this is more mass-production oriented. Okay, at this point you might say that, for racing, everyone has his own requirements and wishes how his deck has to look like, to feel like, to sound like or to smell like. So...for the lazy adaptive guys there's the mold, for those who like the handicrafted stuff there is that option. Both work, it only depends on..."what ya wanna bring and ride" ;-)
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Zephyr skateboard
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On 7/2/2007
Alexandross
wrote in from
Switzerland
(83.77.nnn.nnn)
I want to have a zephyr aswell!
if anyone has one for me, i will give you more then kai!
please contact me!!!
cheers
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zephyr skateboard
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On 7/1/2007
Kai
wrote in from
United States
(71.75.nnn.nnn)
if anyone knows where to find, or is selling the original zephyr fiberglass skate board...complete or not, please contact me! thankyou!!
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Keep It Simple Skaters
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On 7/1/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.74.nnn.nnn)
With front wheel wells
Simple concave wood decks. Add foam or wood wedges. Done.
If you have Fyre Trucks, Biltins, ZigZags, and X-Bolts, flat pads and griptape, all you need is an inexpensive wood deck. I won the last two races on the Hybrid and GS versions above.
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True Story
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On 7/1/2007
Eddy Texas Outlaws
wrote in from
United States
(199.91.nnn.nnn)
Back in 2004 we went to compete at Luna Slalom Jam in Mississippi. A member of Team RoadKill Racing by the name of Frank Henn made Ricky Byrdog a slalom board with the same design concept of the AXE. Not so much the same shape, but the design concept was the same. Great minds think alike. I am very lucky to have ridden most of the boards mentioned on this site. I am even luckier to ride my Pavels. Thanks Don. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws/Pavel Flo.
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Doh!
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On 7/1/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
C.C., of course, does the obvious solution by Not creating the Problem.
Nice deck!
Um, front wheelwells? Might want those with certain trucks.
My 'wedged-tail' solution is for kicked-up tail boards (such as Axes,Wefunks,Pavels, and Fullbags) with that back-truck mounting issue, where the bolts get too long and can twist when holding double/triple stacked wedges. My biggest issue right now is simply having enough time to get the protos settled in enough to go ahead with a small production run. It's a bit frustrating having high-tech machine-tooling all around you at the workplace, but no time to actually make what I want to...
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Damn, Chaput
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On 7/1/2007 WAX
wrote in from
United States
(71.196.nnn.nnn)
Damn, I thought of any manafacturer CC would be the one to support my right to the god given freedom to ride a 6 wheeled toy, but it looks like he is drilling his like a skateboard...
Id like to say that I am dissapointed, but hell, I am only jokeing
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Steal This
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On 6/30/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.74.nnn.nnn)
I don't think it's a good idea to bend up the tail of the board considering that you're going to probably have to add a couple of big wedge pads just to get the deck back to being flat or dewedged. Wedge pads means that you'll have to use mismatched length mounting hardware, and that your baseplates are sitting on a big pile of rubber instead of on the deck.
I'm taking a basic flat concave deck and building up a wedge kicktail on the top. The bottom of the deck is flat so that your native baseplate angles are maintained. I rout slots on top so that all mounting hardware is the same length and goes straight down through the board.
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and....
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On 6/29/2007
THOR
wrote in from
United States
(66.213.nnn.nnn)
Al Gore invented the internet.
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maysey
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On 6/29/2007
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
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it's cool mike
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donald20
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On 6/29/2007
mike maysey
wrote in from
United States
(68.5.nnn.nnn)
Since you are the self proclaimed authority on timing, maybe you can clear up the age-old question, was it the chicken or the egg?
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Kicktail
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On 6/29/2007
Marcus
wrote in from
Sweden
(193.15.nnn.nnn)
I'd be more than happy to say that Richy was among the first to use a kicktail board at a major race. And I do think that many have used the AXE as input for their kicktail slalomboards. I certainly did, good boards do that. Just like someone liked my board so much that they copied the outline to paper at PSWC this year...
But about who was first to race using a kick, there is this Italian guy that most people know of, and as far as I know Luca has been sporting a kick and toestopper since '95 or something. Problem is he still haven't got a pro model so there is nothing to copy.
But perhaps you could argue that Jani Söderhäll or Skoldberg had kicktails as well.
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ROE
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On 6/29/2007
cam
wrote in from
Australia
(220.233.nnn.nnn)
hey gareth i am thinking of getting a roe, im deciding between a bottle rocket, or a bullet. do you have any pictures of these boards?and does anyone ride a bottle rocket surf stance?
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bitchy
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On 6/29/2007
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
hey thanks
you're right,i shouldn't complain
thanks for all the info you guys gave me.
gareth,i totally agree with all you said.
tim,good to have you onboard
the rest of course too
wow,I AM SO STOKED
above pic is for pure enjoyment,nice boardshape by the way.
is that a ck-30?
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In the beginning...
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On 6/29/2007
Jack
wrote in from
United States
(24.205.nnn.nnn)
Jack O'Neill invented the ocean.
Tom Sims invented snow.
And every male over 40 invented the skateboard.
Relax and appreciate all the incredible slalom gear we now have available. It wasn't that no long ago that the only place you find slalom equipment was on Ebay...and it was all 20 years old and the wheels were for rollerskates.
Oh, I almost forgot...Fluitt and I invented sand.
Looking forward to seeing the racing family in Hood River.
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Kicks on Slalom boards
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On 6/28/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Donald, I'd been cutting various 'old-school' decks up for various experiments, some when they were NEW, to make boards I wanted. I rarely would show them, but I might yet (from a good 8 years ago) have a Sheffeild deck that had truck mounts in the the tail, then later in the nose, even T-nut holes for stiffener bars...
So, my issues awhile back were twofold; Traction gains from 'proper' canting (as we use in Snowboard Racing) are detracted by HUGE wedges needed to stabilize the rear truck (still an issue, btw, though I've got a solution), and the tendendcy of the bend in the wood at the kicktail to be a 'flex point' if the truck was mounted too far aft. Put your foot behind the rear axle, and you get front-end lift, as well as unwanted reversing of the camber/flex (wasted energy), often accompanied by torsional flex. 5 years ago, I parked my decks with these features, instead working on using Pocket-Pistol's wedged foam bits to gain in foot placement, which seemed to work as well as some earlier (even current) slalom kicktails. I've seen, and rode the Pavel that ended up in New England, and even with another rider (one Not used to my board), my Turner can stay with the Pavel unless it's quite a flat course. You make good boards when you choose to, and shapes like The Roadster are truely works of roadable art. However, you need not tear into ANY of your contemporary fellow board makers (or truck makers, either) to put your board's reputation where it belongs. Start instead by using Earned Victories as your mantle, let your Product stand up for itself.
Oh, and please, do not take on an air of 'we did it first',,,
I've heard that crap too many times from Burton, when Winterstick, Sims, Flite or Barfoot had beaten them to an innovation by years. I put heel-straps on a Backhill in '81 (Suicide Straps, because we used them at Suicide-6 at The Nationals), thought I had been there first, only to find Dimitri had been doing likewise since '77 or so. It's old hat.
I'll give Richy his due here, though. He was the first racer I saw using the steep-concave/kicktail/rear truck Way Back combo in a major race, which means he was tinkering with it Before That. What were You making in '03?
Yeah, so Time is impressionable, but History gets written by those who pay to have it printed their way.
T.K., or Terrance Kirby, already has a board out by Roe, has for awhile now.
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Correction
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On 6/28/2007 WAX
wrote in from
United States
(71.196.nnn.nnn)
Gareth
Bomber brought the AXE proto to Nationals for the first time in 2004, the year I made the Brown Bomber Ale in his honor.
Do you bag on Fluitt the same way about copying some elements of the Airflow on the original Split? The split was far better than the Airflow... That was a fuked comparison you used when you realize how much better the GOG is than the one you claim he copied...
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Concave Kicktail decks
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On 6/28/2007
Gareth
wrote in from
United States
(209.147.nnn.nnn)
Donald-
Nothing to bitch and moan about here! RoeRacing team memebers have been riding concave kicktail proto-types for almost two and a half years now. Way before we ever saw the first Pavel deck. We just hadn't brought them to market until now. We make no claims to inventing this style of deck. Richy showed up at the 2003 Breckenridge Colorado race with his "Mexican Turner" - a wood concave/kickail board that he hand shaped - looked like a fence post! Chicken had decks similar to this about the same time that Richy was sporting his very first Axe proto-type. My kids have been riding concave kicktail decks through cones for about 3 years now. Skaterbuilt has had concave kicktail decks for a long time now as well. Fullbag is making some excellent concave kicktail decks as well! Other companies will continue to make decks to fill the market niche. I don't think you invented the kick tail and concave concept - it has been around for a long time. Richy was the first high-profile racer to bring these design elements to the slalom race course. You build great decks, and as a racer I appreciate the fact that there are so many great choices that we now have when it comes to equipement - its awesome! I have had my designs copied many times over by different manufacuters. Seems to have bothered others more than me. My attitude has always been that if it gets more people on slalom decks and helps grow the sport - then I am all for it. RoeRacing has never been about beating out the other board companies - since day one its been about supporting and growing the sport of slalom skateboard racing - period!
Wait until you see the foam core concave kicktail decks we have been building and testing!
Gareth
BTW - Nice trucks! Wonder how those came about!
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The original AXE
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On 6/28/2007
tim kienitz
wrote in from
United States
(63.110.nnn.nnn)
Donald,
Yes I was referring to the true timeline.
Tim
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weak stuff
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On 6/28/2007
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
johnboy from the uk:
good to see you coming up with a weak comment,next time you post your real name and your real address,so i can see you stand up for your comment.
right now all i can see that you are family with the waltons.
tim:
wrong
take a look at the timeline and then you can see who was original and who not.
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CK = Carrasco Kicktail
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On 6/28/2007 tim kienitz
wrote in from
United States
(63.110.nnn.nnn)
Nice deck! Nice to see that Roe credits the original concave kicktail AXE as the inspiration. The Roe website reads," Paying homage to the Concave-Kicktail phenomenon Richy Carrasco has etched into the history of skateboard racing, is the Roe CK Series " Imitation is the best form of flattery. Pavel uses the AXE idea and now Roe. All of them are nice decks and based on the original AXE.
Tim
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CK-30
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On 6/28/2007 John
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.105.nnn.nnn)
"now you can come and bitch and moan." donald20
You seem to have the bitching and moaning market sewn up for yourself.
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THE REST OF THE STORY
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On 6/28/2007
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
is that there were a few guys from germany working very long on certain boardshapes with their teamriders,all being seasoned pros with a very clear idea about what they wanted,backed up by an experienced mouldshaper and an experienced boardshaper.they came out with their stuff and sold it across the ocean.also to riders who are on another team(because these riders wanted better performing boards than the ones they had,they wanted to be competitive and they thought their sponsors boards didn't perform the way they wanted them to do)
in the case of the ck-30 i can see influences by 2 persons who had the chance to either ride a certain pavel deck for a prolonged time period or who were very close to one for an extended time period.
i am honest and i want to point out that i don't like the result i see now.
please be so kind and pick your apples from your own tree in your own garden.
bitch and moan as you want-this is and will remain the truth.
here's my arrogant(you will put it that way) take on the board.
some features are nicely copied,others overlooked,let me correct you here this time in public:the tail is too short,it is supposed to give the foot a good rest also,not having the rear foot being tense all the time.the nose is too fat and too long,you might want to narrow it a bit and also shorten it a bit.
nice copy of a civ pro board or a gang of germany.
you failed in bringing the roadster or the cbark(which is a very efficient evolution of the old roadster concept) into play.
the roe board line did NOT show any evolution during the last few years,other companies evolved and brought innvovative stuff into play.
all of a sudden we see a ck-30,surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my statement is backed by several pro riders from my team who think the same and who know what happened.no need to make up a story here on how this board happened.
so here you have your PAVEL sez HELLOUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
now you can come and bitch and moan.
i have all the right in the world to be pissed about that and i certainly don't hold back on that either.
who's next?
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Roe TK-30
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On 6/28/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Gareth, I haven't heard if Adam got his deck yet. If not, we've gone over the 'what works' list of equipment(anything with a super-stiff tail!) , so he'll run familiar boards (mostly) at Dovercourt this weekend. I was going to run cones with him Friday morning, but they're headin' North tonite... Too bad, as I was gonna have also try (for giggles) out my Bozi now that I've got it set up with a 6-wheel package. Unfortunately, family issues with both the twins and my Dad are keeping me home this weekend. Boy, I wanted to go go Racin', but it just ain't in the cards right now. Maybe Montreal...
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens on that TK-30 (funny, too, as Terry didn't happen to be on the list of shapers!?) once Adam gets it dialed in. I'll definately give you some feedback once we put the board through the wringer! Thanks, again. ;-)
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"CK-30" Name and shape!
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On 6/27/2007
Gareth
wrote in from
United States
(24.22.nnn.nnn)
Mike-
That's funny - honestly, until right now I had not even thought of that! The "CK" moniker was used to designate the fact that this board has Concave and a Kicktail.
PSR - It looks like something Adam would like because he had a ton of input in the final shape. The progression went something like this. Martin got the first proto-type in his standard TS shape. I showed it to Adam and got a ton of feedback from him. Adam changed the nose, made the waist skinnier and the tail a little different. John Stryker then shaped another blank with Adam's feedback and then another one that he tweeked a little (moved the wide spot under the front foot forward about 2 inches) and SHAZAM - the CK-30 was born!
Adam should have one just like Martin's under his feet by now!
...and now you know - the rest of the story!
G-
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