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On 1/5/2003 Brady
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Now I`m waiting Arab. I purposely put in an error, just to make you happy...
12:50 am...going to bed...
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On 1/5/2003 hugh r
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Can we move the punk rock talk over to the Guest Book? I have some questions... HR
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On 1/5/2003
Brady
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On 12/29/2002 Mike Maysey wrote in from 63.11.xxx.xxx:
Excuse me Arab...Paul Dunn is the Overall Champion for the FCR World Championship Series.
Chicken and Ransom won the World Championship RACES
and then..
On 12/29/2002 arab wrote in from 24.24.xxx.xxx:
Mike Maysey,
To clear up the facts for you, here they are:
2002 FCR Overall Series Champ: Paul Dunn 2002 GS World Champion Champ: Charlie ransom
2002 Slalom World Champion Champ: Barrett "Chicken" Deck
2002 Overall World Champ Champ: Barrett "Chicken" Deck
Need I say more? Mike had it right but of course Arab took it to another tangent. BTW Arab, it isn`t 2002 Overall World Champ Champ, it`s 2002 Combined World Series Champ
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On 1/5/2003
Arab
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Brady
I'm Waiting
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On 1/5/2003 hc
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(pierre andre and etnies)
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=13106
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On 1/5/2003
Jack
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Hey 66,
Thanks for the response. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. None of my comments were meant to throw a bad light on the punk scene. Like I said I was terribly ignorant of the whole movement.
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On 1/5/2003 66
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in the future, i'll stick to the facts (tongue firmly in cheek)
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On 1/5/2003
hc
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check out dansworld.com
(lots of good articles regarding the sk8 industry)
also spot an interesting interview of Shogo Kubo in 'Giant Robot' magazine (an asian american oriented mag - was at barnes and nobles)
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On 1/5/2003 66
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jack,
ok.....maybe i embellished a little......but i'm thinking locally and assuming it translated globally
from my local punk scene came artists, musicians, doctors, electricians, and more importantly fathers and mothers, husbands and wives.......people who carved out there own niche and paved the way for others
and i'm not talking about people who "sold out".....these people stayed true to their core beliefs that things are wrong in society today and went about instituting change on local, national and international levels
i lost a friend recently who was integral in the punk scene locally and to some extent beyond, so perhaps i'm a little bit more sensitive to "punk" being displayed in a bad light
66
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On 1/5/2003
Jack
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I'm a punk after all...I built backyard ramps in the 70's and 80's.
.66 don't take this wrong, Im just curious. Who were/are they...many of the brightest and most talented minds of my generation.
I must admit that I am terribly ignorant of the punk movement, it had no influence on me personally or on my love of skateboarding.
I may be wrong, but in my opinion there was definitely a punk image, even though they tried so hard not to have one.
Granted a large number of peole who contributed to this image were not truly punks.
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On 1/5/2003 h0dad
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Oh yeah, and h0dad agrees that punk as sure limited skateboarding! Imagine if tennis was a rudeboy/girl statement...
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On 1/5/2003 h0dad
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Wow great discussion. In the 80's, the punk scene here was:
1. punks themselves who were the more artsy, political set, ie. artists, animal rights, vegans etc.
2. bootboys/girls being just plain rude
3. skinheads, *seperated* into two camps: shi*thead neo-nazi "United Skins" and non-racist style-kings "The Firm" (these were always trying to take each on)
All of the above factions (and perhaps others that h0dad has omitted) took risks back in the day that h0dad
feels are not part of the deal with punk today, but thats how it goes.
Just walking down to the store in your docs and your fred perry got you shaken down by the pigs. h0dad remembers hanging out enjoying a beverage in a loading bay with the lads; politzei cruises over specially to wind down the window and call us scum. The lads are laughing.
In closing, h0dad believes that the term *punk* can be generalised to mean any element that runs contrary to the sensibilities of a society. h0dad beleives that, while not a member of straight-edge, this term can fully fit the straight-edge if the "sensibilities" of a society is to get wasted all the time. This society promotes heaps of alcohol abuse after all, on TV etc. Some straight-edgers reckon that excess alcohol/drugs is some kind of mechanism to keep people medicated and in their place as controllable non-ambitious drones, and they may well be right. Thats a bona-fide punk attitude in h0dad's opinion.
Ska'd for life,
yours truly,
h0dad
"get your strength through oi!" haha
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On 1/5/2003
GBJ
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I skated in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and to current. With the exception of two years just after high school, there hasn't been a time when I didn't skate, since I was 7 years old in 1970. I've spent years working in the skateboarding industry and been a photographer published in most of the major skate mags. I was also raised as, and most of my education was focused on being a trained musician, so I could (and still can) be quite a musical snob. I've realized over the years that this has often worked to my disadvantage, causing me to miss some excellent music until long after it was created. I remember the NSA Finals ('88?) when The Red Hot Chili Peppers played on the deck. I look back at it now and think, "whoa! Flea is badass. The Chili Peppers are pretty rad. How did I miss that at the time?" What I really remember of my thoughts at the time was that I thought the presence of The Red Hot Chili Peppers was completely superfluous and completely annoying.
Having said all of that, and acknowledged my tendency toward musical close mindedness, I'd like to note that this isn't really about music. This is about skateboarding, and I can say this with whatever surety comes with my years of close experience of the skateboard world... the whole punk lifestyle thing has seriously limited the growth and popular acceptance of skateboarding over the years.
Coming from Washington D.C., home turf of punk/straight-edge legends like Henry Rollins, and Ian MacKaye, I was very aware of the connections between the original straight-edge/skinhead (non-racist, non-nazi, non-white supremacist) movement and punk. Although I didn't appreciate the music at all, I had a significant admiration for the straight-edge statement (Don't need drugs, don't need alcohol, don't need the "right" hairstyle, don't need the "right" clothes). I couldn't dare argue with anyone who feels their life is better because they lived such a positive and self-empowered lifestyle. However, in my opinion, straight-edge-ism ISN'T the punk movement that was being marketed through the skateboarding media.
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On 1/5/2003
Chuck
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Gosh, aren't bands like Green Day and Blink 182 punk? LOL
Here's how punk almost killed skateboarding...many of us didn't give 2 $#!*s what brand board we were riding...pick a shape we liked, paint over the graphics with our own stuff, and skate happily away. Kinda hard to sell "image" to folks who made their own.
Anyone wanna buy a Santa Cruz Duane Peters 11x30, with the graphics covered over with my own Suicide Attempt logo? In remarkably good shape for its age and use (thank grab rails and Tail Bones for that). Just kidding...it ain't for sale. Unless the price is right ;-)
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On 1/5/2003 66
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history? naah......the best is yet to come!
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On 1/5/2003
hugh r
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Hey 66,
I can agree to disagree and will even tone my statement back a notch... to that it almost killed skateboarding for "me"... I never actually quit, but I did stay away from it.
3 or 4 years ago, my brother Rooney picked up a no ka oi... and at the same time turned me on to the skate geezer site as well as the nose wheelie site.
He wouldn't sell me his new longboard, and I was too cheap to go out and buy a new one. He talked me into building one... so I did. Around the same time I was able to get a decent net hookup, came across free webhosting at homestead, and figured I'd put up some pics of things I do.
A young guy (at the time anyway) named David (DT) sent me an e and a phone number and we started talking... I became friends with he and his bud nosewheelie Chris. They invited me out to West LA college to ride and
DT turned me on to this site... the rest is history... HR
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On 1/5/2003 66
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no doubt about it drugs and alcohol abuse ANYWHERE are more than just "scene killers"
but as far as "punk killing skateboarding" we can agree to disagree
the do-it-yourself attitude of the early punk rock scene helped to nurture the skate scene through the lean years
hundreds of us built backyard ramps, published 'zines (my own, a.p.s.g. - athens pocket skate guide - was shown in thrasher [the tongue-in-cheek "i gave up sex" issue])
punk rock was (i'm not sure if "punk rock" even exists any longer) a grass roots movement and filled with many of the brightest and most talented minds of my generation (along with the dregs ;)
youth, it's the most volatile drug of all!
66
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On 1/4/2003 hugh r
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66,
I wasn't familiar with the straight edge movement at all in the late 70's or early 80's (actually didn't learn of it until a few years ago from one of my kids)
Some of what troubled me at the time may have played into their scene... the progressive increase in the use of a certain main line substance amongst kids and musicians and the resulting damaged lives, families, and deaths really had a negative impact on my life.
I saw a lot of that sort of thing in the LA punk world and couldn't have any part of it. At that point in my young life, I ran from it rather than stand to fight against it... I would hope that I would do things different now.
My brother knows a lot more about the punk life during the 80's than I do... he lived it. He worked several of the Sunset Strip clubs back in the day... I couldn't relate to any of it and steered clear.
HR
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On 1/4/2003 66
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interesting that you feel that way, hugh
the straight edge movement within the punk/skate scene helped me graduate from college
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On 1/4/2003 hugh r
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I personally feel that punk rock almost killed skateboarding... it drove away a lot of people... that and skull/death graphics.
The 80's and most of the 90's are what I consider the "dark ages" (both for skating and for music)
My two cents... HR
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On 1/4/2003
Jack
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I also have read "the answer is never", and enjoyed it very much. How could I not like the book, it mentions the Morro Bay Slalom race I put on in 1980, which turned out to be the first skateboard evnt MoFo wrote about.
I am 46 years of age and started skating when skateboarding was an offshoot of surfing. Though I never was into punk music or the culture, I come from a time and place (military brat) where being a punk was the last thing I would ever hope to be associated with, it was interesting to read Jocko's take on that time in skateboarding history.
Here's an intersting note, when I was the ad director at Action Now dring it's death throes, I once drove up to a very seedy section of Lawndale to pick up an ad at the offices of SST Records. The ad was for Black Flag, whose members happened to be present that day.
For a kid from the small town of Morro Bay, it was to say the least very interesting.
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On 1/4/2003 66
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the answer is never
i'm reading it as we speak (type)
i skated in the 70's, watched my local skatepark close, built backyard ramps
continued to skate in the 80's, adapted vert tricks to street
immersed myself in punk rock, it's amazing to look back and see how the skate media had such an impact on my life (was it a reflection of a lifestyle or am i a product of the media???)
and i really enjoy how his narrative is not cali-centric
i don't think people under 30 will enjoy the book, but those of you who are 40 plus or may have stopped skating during the 80's should give it a read
66
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On 1/4/2003
Ga. Tom
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I believe Weyland clearly articulates his respect and affection for the names/history he puts forth in this book. And that's good enough for me. He doesn't HAVE to explain his connection to every name he drops. Remember, this book is more than just a history lesson, it's an ode to skateboarding. And I see that as ONLY a good thing....After all, skateboarding in it's purest forms, is ALL about freedom of expression.
BTW, I'm 40 y.o. And like you, not a punk rocker (though some of my favorite music is punk) and not a whiner dying on the inside of guilt. BUT, I am a skater. The Answer Is Never was written for skaters, not cynics.
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On 1/3/2003
john airey
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'the answer is never' by jocko weyland.
somebody bought me this book. it was subtitled
something like 'a personal history of skateboarding'
the author is 33, 5 years younger than me. he didn't
really skate the 70's but he did skate the 80s and
most of the 90's.
I skated the 70's, but not the 80's or 90's. Since
the parks reappeared, I'm taking advantage of it and
skating some of the 00's. it appears the author is
doing the same after missing out on the later 90's.
Anyway, I was kinda wondering what happened in those
20+ years. so it was kind of interesting to me from
that point of view. like okay, now I know what a
McTwist is and why it's a big deal to some. Same for
some of the street skating.
as for the book, well I read all of it, so it can't
suck too much. Second, the mechanics of writing are
there for those that can't abide crappy writing
whatever the subject.
But all this oppressed punker skateboader stuff
makes me ill. The author is a bit of an artsy-fartsy
whiner in his little punk rock clothes and strangely
he knows this and admits it but goes ahead and
writes a whole book anyway in which a fair bit of
whining and self-guilting is done. second, he
sometimes uses the history bit as a prop, listing
names endlessly with no exposition. plenty of ncdsa
names appear in the index for example.
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On 1/1/2003
ILSA
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Happy new year to all and keep up the stoke. tasos
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