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jony
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On 1/7/2006 dt
wrote in from
United States
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or maybe your friend does a better job of keeping his board straight (or applies less force when he carves - smaller radius or lower number) and is smoother in the turns. On a rough road a stiffer board will be faster. The next time i dont win a heat i'm going to have to blame my bearing spacers. yeah thats the ticket.
if your trying to go fast, ditch the exkate trucks and pick something less twitchy or jerky. Randals are good as are indy (if you change the bush & wedge the rear), crail, magun, etc.
just remember the more movement applied to the board = slower. with the exception of slalom which has an entirly differant setup which i dont know jack about.
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force trucks
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On 1/7/2006 jawes
wrote in from
Sweden
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where can I purchase a set of force trucks..in europe..online?
anyone?
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Liquid trucks and green bushings
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On 1/7/2006 jawes
wrote in from
Sweden
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any news?
yet?
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Toms question?
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On 1/6/2006 Jamie M.
wrote in from
Canada
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Tom I have a couple sets of bennetts, They work ok, kingpins break like mad on them though. Haven't used Revenges yet, but I do have a set of Exkates, which work on the same principle. They have a nice feel, kinda surfy, real easy to from edge to edge. If you are from Kitchener, come by Mcphails you can try them out!
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Truck Speeds
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On 1/6/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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The truck itself does not affect the speed. You can ride faster with a Randall, because it is more stable. The reasons why your friends board is faster could be:
Different wheels
Different wheel Durometer
Differnt Bearings
Clean Bearings
Broken in Bearings
Better matching Spacers
A better machined Hanger on the side of the speed washers (right, even and parallel)
Even speed washers instead of regular washers.
Your friend can have a differnt weight than you. And when it comes to top speed, he could have more chutzpa.
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Truck Speeds
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On 1/5/2006 Jony
wrote in from
United States
(69.174.nnn.nnn)
hey,
me and my friend kevin have very similar boards in every way except the trucks. could this be the reason why his board is faster than mine?
Do trucks affect how fast you go?
If so, what is faster, Randall 180's or Exkate Torsion trucks?
What is the best, stablest, and overall nicest trucks?
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revenge / bennett trucks
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On 1/5/2006 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
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Anyone ridden either of these trucks?
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lowered boards
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On 1/5/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
less leverage on the bushings. I don't think ther really is a "pivot point" a pivot point ,to me , would indicate a multi directional action, a ball joint ,all by it's self might be a pivot point, a wrecking ball has a pivot point. Regular trucks shift the pivot axis,because of the misaliegnment of the bushings and the softness or play of the pivot cup. I guess if you imagine the rocking of the board being on a horizontal axis and the pivoting of the trucks being on a slanted axis,the points of intersection are of some significance,are those points refered to as the roll center?oh well gotta go.
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questions
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On 1/4/2006 jawes
wrote in from
Sweden
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Hi dudes!
I´ve tried the search function, but I didn´t find any answers.
I have a couple of questions, been arguing with some friends, hope you have time to answer them!
I don´t know if I´m right, but I claim, that if you have two exactly like boards with the same trucks, but one of the boards have drop through mounted trucks, it will make the board with the dropped trucks more stable and less willing to stear. Am I correct? And if so, why?
Second, could you explain the term pivot point. And does the pivot point change if you have to alike boards and one of them have the trucks drop through mounted?
Would be very greatful for an answer!
/J
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dub split
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On 1/3/2006
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.4.nnn.nnn)
I've been thinking that a splitfire tandem would work pretty good, with the orientation of the hanger and all. You might want to carve away enough of the RDH baseplates to pack them closer together. Wedge the back 1 degree less. I want to see it. $200
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tandem trucks
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On 1/3/2006 Will
wrote in from
United States
(66.169.nnn.nnn)
Does anybody know where I can get some high quality tandem trucks with out blowing a lot of money. if you can help me email me theezyryder91@aim.com. thanks a lot if you can help me
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fragment
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On 1/2/2006
K-LEE
wrote in from
United States
(198.133.nnn.nnn)
"The suggestion to run only one Seismic per board is a good one, especially for slalom applications, but since you're just running them on a cruiser, and I assume you already have the newest metal Seismics since you mentioned that you have one quick and one stable truck."
Oops, that wasn't a full sentence, just a fragment. I think I meant:
...you mentioned that you have one quick and one stable truck, it might be a good idea to experiment with different springs.
I've found it better to go with a softer spring and crank it down with a bit of preload than to run a stiffer spring wide open, but that's just me. I've found that the response is a bit more predictable that way.
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The dead space
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On 1/2/2006
K-LEE
wrote in from
United States
(198.133.nnn.nnn)
Snow,
I am keenly aware of the "dead space in the center" you speak of when running Seismics. I've had almost every model of Seismics made since my first beloved set of Germans over 7 years ago.
My experience is that, especially with the older black plastic Chinese-made Seismics, there is a bit of play between the hanger and the baseplate right at the pivot pin. It gets worse as you loosen the pin, and if you tighten the pin all the way, the hanger locks into place. This isn't much of a problem with the Germans and newer metal Seismics (due to a pivot bearing sleeve thingy), but there is still this resistance to initiate a turn. Like Adam said, even with bone or silver springs, Siesmics are never "floppy" like a bushing-based truck can be. The only way to get Seismics to feel floppy is just to leave the springs out all together. Seismics just have more of a support system under the hanger. Look at a Seismic and see how far out on the hanger the resistance contacts. Then look at a standard truck and see how little of the hanger width is supported by the bushing.
Anyway, while pushing a board equipped with Seismics, I have always had a hard time steering with the one foot I don't push with. I can tilt the board a few degrees from side to side, but the board itself doesn't respond by turning. Like I said before, this was a major problem with the plastic Chinese models, and is only a slight problem with the oldest and newest models.
The suggestion to run only one Seismic per board is a good one, especially for slalom applications, but since you're just running them on a cruiser, and I assume you already have the newest metal Seismics since you mentioned that you have one quick and one stable truck. Wedging them probably would not help, but there is nothing wrong with wedging Seismics, especially if you keep it under 8 degrees or so. The two best suggestions I can come up with are to either go with lighter springs (if you've got metal seismics with red springs, you can still go with yellow, green, or bone, each one lighter than the previous), or just go back to your roots and stick some standard trucks on there, Indys, Trackers, Destructos, Core, etc. Playing with the idea of running one standard truck and one Seismic is a very good idea, and it's up to you wich goes where. So get some other trucks if you don't alreay have them, get some other spring strengths, and then just have fun experimenting with all the possible combinations and find what works best for you.
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thanks
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On 1/2/2006
Snowplow
wrote in from
(70.72.nnn.nnn)
Thanks guys...
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Snowplow
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On 1/2/2006 Dave
wrote in from
United States
(71.193.nnn.nnn)
Snowplow: I never liked riding two seismics.
I would try a Indy/Tracker in front with 10+
deg wedging.
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Wedging Seismics
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On 1/1/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
Snowplow, You are certainly heavy enough to get a board to lean, particularly up on 9/16in risers. I looked up that Souldier deck and found it has concave so it's likely pretty stiff longitudinally. To test this, deliberately place your feet over the trucks and rail some turns.. if it turns better it means your deck is twisting and absorbing your inputs as opposed to transferring them to your trucks.
157mm hangers tells me you have older Seismics so red springs are the second lightest available, silver being the lightest. I generally run silvers on the fronts of all my boards (I weigh 195#) and find they turn noticable faster than reds.
Seismics do not flop over like some other trucks you may have tried. They are known for energy return and precision. You get back what you put into them. I ride nothing else.
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narrower vs wedges
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On 12/31/2005 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
I've brought this up before,narrow trucks seem to steer sharper than wide,i quite certain it's so,though i'm not 100% certain of exactly why, it would seem that two trucks with the same angle of turning(50 degs for randals for instance)would have the same angle of turning for a certain angle of liening,that seems to mean to me they would carve the same arc. But since a narrower truck does seem to ster sharper what might the relationship be to a wedge(altering the angle). How much narrower would a truck need to be to steer as if it had a five degree wedge under the baseplate.
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Adam
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On 12/31/2005
Snowplow
wrote in from
(70.72.nnn.nnn)
Ok, here goes...
Weight: about 225-230
Board: Skull 46" Souldier
Springs: red (light?)
Hanger width: 157mm
I'm running 70mm wheels under the deck, so I'm using 9/16 flat risers right now. The trucks turn well once they start turning, but there tends to be that split second of lag before they start to turn. I tend to lean VERY heavily into my turns, so it feels a bit scary when I commit to a big turn and nothing happens at first.
At the same time, this deck is more of a cruiser/bomber, so I want to keep some stability as well.
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Wedging Seismics
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On 12/31/2005
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
Snowplow, How much do you weigh? What kind of deck are you using? Which springs do you have in your Seismics and what is their hanger width?
In general, Seismics turn very well when set up properly. If you weigh less than 150# then you might want to invest in one of the lighter spring sets. Overly flexy/soggy decks also conspire to reduce Seismic's turning ability. Wheel track should be at least as wide as the widest part of your deck.
You can indeed wedge seismics but adding flat riser also works wonders by adding to your leverage. I use a 1/2" flat pad up front, and a 1/2" wedge at rear set to de-tune the rear truck.
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Wedging Seismics
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On 12/31/2005
Snowplow
wrote in from
(70.72.nnn.nnn)
Anyone done this? I have the quick turning front and stable back. Find them a bit unresponsive, as though I'll fall off before they start turning. I have the Khiro riser kit so I can experiment with different angles, but I wonder if others have tried this with success, because I am lazy!
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crails speedtruck
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On 12/31/2005 jaWes
wrote in from
Sweden
(217.211.nnn.nnn)
Hi...this is a question for you crail people.
Do you think it´s enough to use speedwashers only on one side of the wheel the one facing the nut?
I just mounted my crails..but it was only two speedwashers /hanger..don´t know if it should face the hanger or the nut...think I´ll just get four more..
any input?
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cushions not bearings for me >>>duane
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On 12/31/2005 dennis the menice
wrote in from
Sweden
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duane..you are soo totaly wrong!
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Original Trucks
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On 12/29/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
The turning radius when them babies are set to LOOSE are a kick in the ass for flatlining! when the gyroscope rises to the occasion, which is must easier than doing Chris Chaput headstands, you can enjoy a nice jog with your deck and best of all... pump your deck! I am having fun with today's technology . Y0!
cYa
p.s. haven't researched all the trucks but these turn me on :D
my WHEELS? mmMMMmMmm. with gumballs that roll over MOST things when you are prepared :P ... THEY ROCK! would they sell better with my name over chaput ? :P
I WISH!
my bearings?
chaput has a built in spacer. how can you go wrong? his tolerances are sweeet but that comes with his territory.
from my point of view, lot's of new stuff is keeping me happy. a programmed snappy flex might require some customization but playing off the cambered/concave decks... you can't go wrong!
getting some exercise with your deck comes in many flavors. this is one way for us folks over 50 to exercise. i like this style of wheelchair. of all the sports i've been in... at this point in my life... i find this more fun than most of the popular exercises that require a healthy investment in addition to your promise to stop talking about it and JUST DO IT?
i think itz whatever get's you thru the night. but some people's plateaus are other people's mountain peaks. and such is life, an exercise in tolerances....
many people are depressed. if life was as exciting as you make it, skogging could be a remedy factor for some. it's not for everyone but those that understand the feeling of a personal physical body massage and workout might understand and desire to learn this discipline. i'm blazing the trails with many that are already at it. i'm not anything special other than being a conduit to express my appreciation for this style and art form. while many scoff at the dan gessmer video... when you look closely there is an art form that he has found light years ahead of those who find it repulsive. and skogging is not too much far behind. So here lies that current status of this thread. right?
Chris Yandall
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truck setup
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On 12/26/2005 ross the boss
wrote in from
Canada
(68.147.nnn.nnn)
it looks like more and more people are running 45-65 degrees in the front truck and a standard 35 in the back. i like this setup...i find it works well with wide jimz trucks ... 215mm..or luge hangers.
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Original Trucks
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On 12/26/2005 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Original trucks are great. They turn much tighter than other trucks.
The springs are strong and durable. They allow precise turn angle control from
flat to 45 degrees. The s10's are 250mm wide. 8 inch clearance means that the deck needs to be 8" or narrower at the middle point between the truck bolts. If your deck is between 9" and 9.5" at it's widest point then you can probably use s8's which are 200mm wide and are a better fit for a deck under 10" wide than the huge s10's.
I just put some 200mm s8 spring loaded trucks on my new roe eldorado 36x9.
It's got 76mm 75a goddess of speed wheels and builtin abec 7 bearings with rimz. Haven't really tried it out yet. It's my christmas present and it's been raining. But on my hardwood it's sweeeet....
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