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Ultimate Pumper Set Up...
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On 1/23/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
I'm looking for some feedback on a pumping set up that I'm thinking of trying.
I'm thinking of trying a Carver CX front truck with a Seismic 30* 155mm red spring truck in the rear.
I'm thinking of trying this truck set up on a Bahne Banshee (new one) which is
38.5"x9.45" 7 ply maple with camber and a small rear kick. It can be seen on
Bahne's website.
For wheels I'm thinking untrimmed 76a Avilla's in back with trimmed 76a Avilla's in front. With maybe Bones SS 6 ball bearings for more roll and top end?
Any comments or suggestions?
Would anybody make any changes to the TRUCKS or the rest of the set up to improve flat land pumping ability?
Thanks!
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Boz Truck combos
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On 1/23/2006
Bara
wrote in from
United States
(204.78.nnn.nnn)
thanks for the tips folks.........looks like i have a pair of 180 Seismics to part with .....
Key Kaylee...is that combo good at speed too?...or pretty much just carving?
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trucks for the wedge
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On 1/23/2006
K-LEE
wrote in from
United States
(172.198.nnn.nnn)
Yup, I still agree with that old post. With that Bozi Wedgenose, you have two options:
1) Tracker 161mm Dart "Sixtrack" in the front (or even a 149mm Dart if you have wide offset wheels, same for the rear), and I'd still go with 1/2" riser and a mellow reversed wedge to jack it up and counter the extreme nose angle. Also, get the softest bushings you can find, like Khiro blues or whites. In the rear go with a 155mm Seismic with the quick-turning baseplate, or even go with an Indy "169" or some similar truck if you want to stick with bushing-based trucks. Only use a 1/8" soft riser in the rear. This will feel GOOD!
2) The combo I never got a chance to try was to have the quick-turn Seismic in the rear and the stable-turn Seismic on the wedged-nose. I'm not sure exactly what risers would go best with that front Seismic, but I would start with the 1/2" plus a mellow dewedge to start, and fine tune it from there. You'll probably want to go with the softest springs available for that front Seismic, but that all might depend on rider weight and desired turnability. Like I said, I never got a chance to try this combo, so consider it an experiment
The dewedged Tracker front, flat quick Seismic rear combo works absolutely GREAT, I never got that board to feel as good as that, and I tried what seemed like hundreds of different truck combos on that thing.
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Bozi Wedgenose
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On 1/23/2006
Nicnoyd
wrote in from
Germany
(213.157.nnn.nnn)
Hey Bara,good choice on the Pintail,I love this board,but I definitely didn´t like
the wedged front paired with a seismic, it didn´t turn like I had imagined...
I stumbled over a post from K-LEE,about his setups... I tried his Setup with the Aggro/ Seismic rear and it worked perfect!! Instead of the Tracker Aggro,you might as well use a slightly pos. wedged new Tracker Sixtrack -should do the same !!
BTW; I have also used Randal 180´s with 83Flys on that board - pretty sweet,too -
but for thighter carving try K-LEE´s suggestion... It works!
Here´s a part of K-LEE´s post,It´s in " Completes":
3. Wedgenose Pintail 45 7/8" x 9 3/8", 32" wheelbase, stiff flex; Tracker Aggro Quicktrack w/Khiro white 60a insert bushings front, Seismic 157mm Chinese composite w/yellow springs rear; Gravity Super G 73mm 78a, Pleasure Tool 5 bearings. Regardless of what any website or review says, this is THE BEST truck configuration for these decks. The wedged nose is almost too wedged for any longboard truck, and the turning angle jumps to like 75* or something like that, where you get no lean and all turn, which equals bad response. My solution is to put a 1/2" riser and a mellow reversed wedge under the front Tracker truck (a Sixtrack would work too). This acts to lift and de-wedge the relatively slow-turning Tracker truck, to accommodate the steep front-only wedge. Then, what you end up with is a truck that's almost level (it still sits just a bit lower in the front) than the Seismic mounted in the rear with just 1/8" of shockpad. Those Khiro bushings are SOFT! You'll get wheelbite using them on another board for sure if you don't have cutouts. I also got a set of the blue insert bushings to play around with, and they are too soft for any of my shortboards. But, in a truck like the Tracker Aggro in front of this pintail, they are PERFECT! If you liked the Bones Hardcore bushings, you'll LOVE the Khiro bushings. Softer, more rebound, more memory. I still have to ride mine some before I can report back on the durability. The nice thing is that now you have trucks tuned to have similar turning angles , with the rear truck loose and deep leaning and the front VERY loose and VERY deep leaning. Otherwise, if you put something like an RII up front and a Dart in the back, you get all lean from the rear and all turn from the front and the board wants to twist. I've tried just about every combo possible, with the exception of Gullwing Cruisers and 30* Seismics, and I feel confident enough with the Tracker front, Seismic rear on the pintails that I raced this board down the Sandia Mountains last year for the Timeship Sandia Downhill Challenge. I got no speed wobble, but the wheels slid all over the place. Next time I'll switch to the Gumballs.
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Truck width
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On 1/22/2006 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(87.115.nnn.nnn)
The 149s would be just about right as the axle length is 8.5 inches. tak a look at www.independenttrucks.com for guidance.
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trucks for pool board
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On 1/22/2006 eddie
wrote in from
United States
(64.132.nnn.nnn)
got a 33in by 9 pool deck. should i put indy 149's, 169's, or some other trucks?
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Setting up a Bozi Wedgenose
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On 1/22/2006
Bara
wrote in from
United States
(68.61.nnn.nnn)
looking for some solid opinions. I've got a Bozi Wedge that i havent ridden in ages and want to set it up for a downhill this year. I've got Flywheels and Seismic 180's, but the board just doesnt react the way i'd like. I'm used to slalom, so i figure it'd be different, but the way it is now with this set up makes it feel very alive. Is this a truck combo that wont work on this board?....will the wedgenose on it prevent it from being stable at speed?...and would i be better off with Crails, Randals or even Indy's?
I've also got a Supaflex Dragon that i could use, but it seems it's a bit flexy to be stable at speed..
thoughts?
thoughts?
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new gullwings
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On 1/21/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
those new gulls, i think they were called s4's or something like that, they come on the new sector nines, the top end stuff, like the bamboo, they look real cool actually , slack geometry,and seemingly very springy responcive bushings,i'll have to give give a set a test run,soon,any opinions,comparisons to tracker 184's or grindking thunderbirds.GK's must have bushing swaps to compare fairly,i'm talking hill carving here ,not halfpipes or parks.
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for the record
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On 1/20/2006
K-LEE
wrote in from
United States
(198.133.nnn.nnn)
This is regarding Raptor's question and the Seismic spring issue:
I basically agree with everything sc said, he beat me to it.
I've heard of springs popping out of the sides of the aluminum seismics at full tilt, with the set screws all the way loose, and I'm pretty sure they were the "correct" springs that came with the trucks. I would imagine this could even be a worse problem if the older shorter composite-edition springs were used. I'm sure they work to some extent, especially if you tighten the set screws down a fair amount. I was just quoting what I remembered reading from the Seismic website. Rider beware.
Other trucks that are stable like Randals are: Holeys, Crails, Force, and Gullwing Cruisers. Out of all of those mentioned though, Randals are the most readily available and usually the least expensive. They all have their pros and cons, it comes down to a matter of personal choice. But Randals have been a standard for a very long time now, and most of the others are basically copies or improvements on the Randal design, even though Gullwing originated it back in the day.
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On 1/20/2006
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.4.nnn.nnn)
Randal stability: It's from the kingpin being perpendicular to the pivot axis along with the axle being placed close to the pivot axis and behind the kingpin.
The newer Seismic springs will work in the older trucks but will be slightly too large. The older springs, being slightly smaller, won't work well in the new trucks.
Read at your own peril.
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Seismic Springs Old Vs. New
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On 1/19/2006
Paul Howard
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hmmm, I know I've put either old style springs into new versions of the Seismic trucks or new springs into old versions. I might have also changed the "internal little springs" and the attached "pistons" from old and new "main springs". Too many trucks, too many past experiments to remember exactly for sure. I need to stop making bird houses and playing guitar and start skating some more. Later-Paul
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Instability
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On 1/19/2006 Raptor
wrote in from
United States
(69.174.nnn.nnn)
i understand that exkate torsions aren't very good for speedboarding but are good for carving due to their snappy feel and their return to center, but since they are narrow unstable and can't turn when at high speed, what should i do?
i guess it would be obvious to sell and buy new trucks but what should i buy?
are randall 180's really THAT amazing? whatabout 150's?
why are other trucks more stable?
how does the reverse kingpin design help stability, and turning radius?
thanx
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revenge vs originals
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On 1/19/2006 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(209.183.nnn.nnn)
Anyone got strong opinions on these two trucks? I'm looking for a new feel for my cruiser. P.S. Thankyou Jamie M for your input.
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different generation springs are NOT interchangable
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On 1/19/2006
K-LEE
wrote in from
United States
(172.196.nnn.nnn)
Paul Howard,
Are you saying that you can run any Seismic spring in any Seismic truck?
Here's a quote taken directly from www.seismicskate.com:
"Note: The new aluminum trucks are designed for a larger steering range than the original composite trucks. Therefore, springs from composite trucks made before 2003 should NOT be installed in the new aluminum trucks."
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Seismics
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On 1/19/2006
Dave Mitchell
wrote in from
United States
(69.30.nnn.nnn)
Paul, actually there were 2 different versions of the all composite Seismic. The originals and the 2nd (Dan feel free to correct me here) generation which used a different mold and springs, as well as different axles. If I remember accurately, the springs from the first version were the better of the 2. My experience is that there is not much adjustment with the 110mm Seismics without swapping out the springs. I always felt as if the return to center was throwing me off the board in some turns and difficult to initiate the first two or three turns into the course, especially with big offsets. I know Paul, that you like a 30 degree Seismic in the back with your wicked loose tracker in front but I never found a way for that combo to work for me. I find that a 130mm Seismic in front works well on a GS or big hybrid course with an offset in back. I like the solid pivot on the Seismic so there is no slop in the turn and on a GS course the RTC is not as violent. Dan will probably stop talking to me for this post (if he didn't after Hood River last year).
So far, after trying Radikals and riding PVDs for 3 years I have to say the Splitfire (phase 2 and 3) combination works best for me. Quick to initiate at the beginning of the course and stable on the fast sections.
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Paul Steuri's Seismics
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On 1/18/2006
Paul Howard
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hey, The all black plastic Seismics are the old ones, the mostly aluminum versions are the new ones.
The old springs and the new springs essentially have the same size "main spring", that is the bigger working spring. The difference lies in the internal little spring that is connected to the "piston". The shorter ones are the old ones that go in the all black plastic truck. The longer ones are the newer ones that go in the mostly aluminum truck. This internal spring is for pre-loading some compression into the spring assembly.
If my memory serves me correctly, you want to make sure you put the spring in so the "piston" is going into the hanger(and not the baseplate). When you do this, start with the 1/8" allen screw adjustment (in the hanger) backed all the way out so you have the least compressive pre-load on the spring, this will make it easier to install the kingpin and get it threaded in correctly.
Be sure to get a retainer C-clip on that kingpin since the king pin will "turn itself" out of the nut as Pat mentioned and you WILL have a problem.
You can to some extent use either old or new versions springs in either old or new versions of the truck depending on how much compressive pre-loading you like.
Are you slaloming on Seismics?
Here's my slalom observations: I ride surfstance, I do not like the Seismic in the front no matter how much pos wedging I use or don't use even if it's the sharper turning 45degree baseplate. To me it's pivot point/axis is too far away from the ball of my foot and thus not quick enough reacting. It is however good and solid and stable as a front truck in high speed situations. What I DO LIKE-A LOT is the 30degree baseplate version as a back truck. It's very solid with a single plane of pivot and nice a slow so you get a lot of traction out of the back end where you need it the most. I pretty much use the 130mm exclusively for G/S (other wise for T/S and hybrid I use the Splitfire Phase I as a rear truck).
If you are riding parallel stance, then most of the parallel slalomers who use Seismics prefer them as a front truck, and for some parallel riders swear by the old plastic ones and and others swear by the new aluminum ones.
There are of course riders from both camps that don't follow the general rules I just mentioned.
If you're still in a quandry, call Dan Gesmer or look up everything on the Seismic website. If you can't get anywhere with that, call me at (541)754-7826
Good Luck-Paul
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Radikal Dragons Claw
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On 1/17/2006
Eddy
wrote in from
United States
(24.175.nnn.nnn)
Gumby and I were running some cones last night. He has been thinking of switching to a Radikal Front Truck. I grabbed my TS board and told him, dude you can borrow mine and let me know what you think, he was furiosly taking the truck of my board and swithching it to his PPS. Here is his review. " It works better when it is not backwards" Eddy Texas Outlaws.
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help
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On 1/13/2006 MICHAEL
wrote in from
United States
(199.245.nnn.nnn)
looking for old school trucks? i want small axles? anyone know a website that lists all dimmensions of skateboard trucks...most are 7.75" i prefer a diff color than silver or black...just looking for an excellend old school truck to turn on a dime or some small axled colored trucks..any brand..any cost, any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
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wrong springs
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On 1/11/2006
Paul Steuri
wrote in from
United States
(207.200.nnn.nnn)
hey I think I've installed the wrong springs, I think I put new springs into old trucks! only a little part on the base of my trucks are black and the rest a aluminum. My old springs are shorter than my new ones. Any advice?
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loosening
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On 1/11/2006
Paul Steuri
wrote in from
United States
(207.200.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for all the help! But how do you loosen seismics to make them more turny?
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gmn vs. china springs
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On 1/11/2006
K-LEE
wrote in from
United States
(198.133.nnn.nnn)
Tom,
The important difference in Seismic springs isn't their country of origin, but whether they came with composite/plastic models or the newer aluminum models. The older springs are shorter and the newer springs are longer. You might have issues if you install the wrong springs. Also, I think if you look at the black plastic end caps on the springs, the newer longer springs have little wings or ribs coming off of the cap part down onto the shaft. I don't think the older springs have these, but I could be wrong about that, I'm going off of memory here.
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Seismic trucks - springs and black clip
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On 1/10/2006 Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
(67.189.nnn.nnn)
Go here for instructions on how to change springs:
http://193.252.109.25/seismic/trucks_instructions.html
The black clip keeps the pivot-bolt from loosening off of the nut. As you do turns and the hanger moves relative to the bolt, it will have a tendancy to loosen rather than tighten. The black clip keeps it from loosening so much that you are in danger of the hanger falling off. You can get a replacement here: http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&sort=3a&page=3
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GERMAN SEISMICS
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On 1/10/2006
tom
wrote in from
United States
(68.170.nnn.nnn)
Last summer I took the red springs out of my old German Seismics.
I want to go and put them all back together but I think I've got those springs mixed up with some others....is there anything I can look for that sets them apart or does it not really matter?
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chang seismic springs
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On 1/10/2006
Paul Steuri
wrote in from
United States
(207.200.nnn.nnn)
HOW DO YOU CHANGE SEISMIC SPRINGS?!?!I have loosened all three points (2 springs and kingpin)Also, what does the little black thing behind the nut on the back of the truck do, because I broke one!
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aerodynamics
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On 1/7/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
don't forget the wind resistance, especially if you're going anywhere in the sort of fast speed rate,25 mph and over, especially over 35mph. clothing body, position
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