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RE: Traction
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On 4/2/2006
Adam
wrote in from
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I would suggest de-wedging your rear truck more and possibly tightening it a LITTLE bit, you want your rear to turn a lot less than your front, but don't have it turn too little like a shortboard truck
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Rear truck traction question
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On 4/1/2006
Snowplow
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So I'm looking for a little extra traction on hybrid courses. Can't afford an offset rear truck as yet, I'll be springing for a modded Indy/Tracker or a Splitfire soon but in the meantime....
I've been thinking spacing the wheels a little further out in the back than the front might be an idea. Anyone done this? Does it add any traction/stability? Or does it totally screw with the ride?
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newbie questions
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On 4/1/2006
alanforbes
wrote in from
United States
(66.81.nnn.nnn)
Bought a S9 Sumatra board as an impulse buy, I liked the board, reminded me of an old board I had 20 years ago. It is certainly much different than the boards 20 years ago! The board feels alive, I really like it a lot. I last rode regularly about 15 years ago.
I used the search function but can find no comments about Gullwing Mission 1 trucks (that came with this board). The Sumatra is 35 inches long. Would I benefit from trying some different trucks? Old posts wax poetic about changing to Randals/Exkate/Seismics/etc.! Would I feel a major change with new trucks, what sort of trucks could you recommend? I would appreciate added control.
I mainly ride to the store (2 or 3 miles one way) and back on sidewalks and on streets (some hills). The 65 MM 78A wheels are very smooth. Would larger wheels roll over cracks and things better? I assume that these soft wheels are great for mixed street conditions? They certainly are smoother than anything I rode in the past (from steel to clay to several generations of urethane).
I realize this forum seems to be for very skilled riders, but it is also the best forum I have found, and it has so much good and interesting debate/info.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Radikal...
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On 4/1/2006
Adam Daniels
wrote in from
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I was looking at the pictures of the dragon's tail and i thought to myself, they look a lot like a randal (geometry) but with the arms being offset to where an indy would be, not a split-fire. so i was wondering, if i had a machinist(spelling?) cut down a randal to about 90mm and had him offset it, would it perform similar to that of a dragon's tail?
-thanks for the input, and please e-mail me for the reason that i do not check this site often
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Bennett
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On 3/30/2006
greg
wrote in from
United States
(69.200.nnn.nnn)
The Bennett re-issues are coming out any day. E-mail me and I will give you thiere e-mail address. Greg
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bennet
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On 3/30/2006 paul
wrote in from
United States
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where can i buy bennet trucks
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Calling Mr. M Wrench
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On 3/25/2006
Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hey Eric, I tried looking up your website and it would'nt come up, are you changing it? Adios-P
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Randal Base
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On 3/23/2006
Kevin
wrote in from
United States
(72.197.nnn.nnn)
Sorry, that's the Randal downhill base (R1) I am looking for.
Thanks
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Looking for Randall Base (rear)
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On 3/22/2006
Kevin Dunne
wrote in from
United States
(72.197.nnn.nnn)
Does anybody know where I can get an extra Randall base (rear) for my Splitfire? Thanks, Kevin
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bushings for randal r2's
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On 3/20/2006 Craig
wrote in from
United States
(24.6.nnn.nnn)
what is the best duro bushing to use to stiffen up the r2's.. i dont want to keep having to buy bushings. right now i have khiro 92's and looking for a tighter ride for when i want to bomb. thanks
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stability
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On 3/20/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
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fairly simple,degree of pivot is inversely proportional to the degree of stability,more degrees equals less stability. The rake,offset ,does effect the stability but it's just sort of like the icing on the cake,more rake makes it dive a bit more less or inverse rake pops to center a bit more. Naturally the amount of slop in all the pivoting action,if you can move the truck in any direction except steering that's a bit of instability. When comparing different trucks,ride height will make things different,lower more stabile ,higher =less.
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On 3/19/2006 dan@csu
wrote in from
United States
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if u read my post carefully, i'm referring only to how the trucks are set up stock. you could probrably take any truck, throw hard bushings in, and crank the s#@! down and it would be "stable". however, i like downhill trucks that i don't have to crank down super hard. yes i have ridden holeys, and they're sweet looking and very well made, but the very geometry of the truck obviously makes it inherently less stable than a randal dh. can it be stable *enough* with the right mods? ABSOLUTELY. is it overall as good a downhill truck as a randal dh? NOT EVEN CLOSE, and it wansn't made to be!
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Bushings for Downhill
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On 3/19/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Get a longer (3" grade-8) kingpin and use full sized barrel (cylindrical) bushings top and bottom. Conical bushings are too short and wimpy, but I like to turn their small cup washer upside down and use it on top, underneath the locknut. The stock black Randal DH bottom bushings are okay, and he has some blue ones that are a bit stiffer.
If you don't like 50 degrees of steering front and back on your DH board, use 50 degrees in the front and 35 degrees in the back. It's pretty stable with having to crank everything down.
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turny and stable
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On 3/18/2006 bara
wrote in from
United States
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being new to the whole downhilling thing, what kind of bushings do people run on their DH boards?....i picked up a Rayne Hellcat with Randal DH's/180mm hangers.
I've trimmed seats into some Radikal blues for the bottoms and have standard yellow randal bushings on top...still really turny, which is great for street riding, but if i wanted to go with speed comfortably, what are people running in these trucks?
thanks
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Crail v Holey
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On 3/18/2006
Mile High Mark
wrote in from
United States
(206.124.nnn.nnn)
I have ridden Crails and Holey's quite a bit, and the Crail geometry is a bit more stable. The precise fit of the Holey pivot/cup is very stable, however, for such a turny truck. Quality on both is excellent, and the Crail axles are about as close to 8mm as you can get in a "commercial" truck.
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holey cr@p
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On 3/18/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(63.194.nnn.nnn)
Holeys seem like they would make a decent truck for downhilling, I hear they are very turny and some people (notably mr dan) are not comfortable on a turny truck at speed.
I guess we're talking about the difference between true DH (full blown tuck etc) vs fun DH (speed carving et al). With a turnier truck carving the board helps avoid wobbles. Another thing to take into account is rider weight (stock 150 bushings are listed at 95a, though they seem a tad softer than that)
Dan, one thing to look at: most Euro riders are riding R2 baseplates for downill, granted they are often using stiff bushings but true DH can be done on trucks with an inherently turny geometry 50deg or more. And also if people are doing DH on crails thats really only 5 degrees less than an R2, who says a 60deg holey would be that much more unstable?
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Holeys
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On 3/18/2006 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Holeys ARE used as downhill trucks. And damn good ones too. Why would a Crail be any better than a Holey for downhill?
You have ACTUALLY tried them have you?
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how many times do i have 2 say this
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On 3/18/2006 dan@csu
wrote in from
United States
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paul wrote "I board with ride randall 150'd and sense the bushings are so hard, they have to loosen it so the hanger turns in between the bushings..." dude the red bushings that come in the r2 150's are soft as hell, what are you talking about?! are you mistaking them for dh's (which are 160mm)? FURTHER, holeys aren't downhill trucks, whereas crails and force can be. holeys would have to be modified a lot to be stable at speed.
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wider hangers
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On 3/17/2006
Paul Steuri
wrote in from
United States
(207.200.nnn.nnn)
I have a drop deck for hard carving and hill bombing. I use Mack skate trucks with bones soft bushings, I put on an indy 215mm hanger, and it seems like I have more traction or something, because when I slide it takes of a ton of urethane in little rolls, which seems uncommon on my 72a flashbacks, because I only weigh about a 100 pounds. Why is it doing this?
Also, what is the difference between the quick and stable turn tracker slalom trucks that are like 15 bucks each? Is it a pretty good basic beginners truck?
thanks guys
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PVD's
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On 3/17/2006 Gareth
wrote in from
United States
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Ya, we looked in to keeping the PVD production line going. However, cost was the major limiting factor. After really looking in to it, it is amazing that Peter was able to produce and offer his trucks for the VERY reasonable price he charged.
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simple
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On 3/17/2006 Noah
wrote in from
United States
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Bara is right on. Once you've invested the time to get the truck dialed to *your* preference, you never need to change a thing. You can take the preconfigured truck and plop it on any rig and you know how it'll ride before you get the screws tightned. I haven't made any adjustments to mine in 3 years - literally. I want another set. Someone make em. Please. Thanks.
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pvd simplicity
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On 3/17/2006 bara
wrote in from
United States
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for all the banter about the PVD being too complex and involved, once you choose the location on the baseplate and the angle, it is pure simplicty. drop in the bushing you want, fine tune with the top screws and ride it. it's even easy to disassemble and clean.
There has got to still be a good market for this design.
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open source
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On 3/17/2006 PVD
wrote in from
United States
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at this point, anyone with serious production plans can have the solid models and prints for the truck. i still reserve sole rights to the axle design (i plan to use it on a "new" vert truck that i am currently working on), but will give permission for use if for a PVD based truck.
contact me for more info. serious players only please.
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PeeVeeDees
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On 3/17/2006
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
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And look at the PVD faithful...
A rather different demographic than the Indy Loyalists who so stridently argued against anything new.
I think I've ridden and worked on and tried to inprove virtually every kind of slalom appropriate truck there is, and the PVD is essentially the perfect rear truck. It's an OK front truck, but for rear grip and feedback, there's NOTHING remotely close.
I made a set of 25* angle plates for my RIIs which were configured like the RIII 'plates to relocate the hanger closer to the middle of the baseplate, but otherwise, I just ride 'em.
I wanted to continue the production after PV got out of the skateboard business to pursue world domination, but Michael Dong and Gareth Roe had gotten the greenlight to do it.
I wonder if it's been long enough to do it now....
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Indy 215s
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On 3/17/2006 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Indys used to be THE downhill truck, so I'd say try em.
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