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Hey Herbn
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On 8/7/2006
Guto Jimenez
wrote in from
Brazil
(200.165.nnn.nnn)
A few days ago, I sent a post to Luis from Switzerland concerning the Brazilian brand Up Trucks. You've sent your opinions, and only now I have the time to answer you. First of all, don't call me a "plug" or an "internet nonsequitur" for you don't know me. I made it clear then, and will make it even clearer now: I DON'T WORK FOR UP TRUCKS!!! It was just my opinion, based on a 30-year skateboarding experience that I have; they're actually the best slalom trucks I've ever ridden, period. As far as your trying to be funny, with all that "arguyle Flip socks" gig of yours, I'm sorry to see that you seem to be the kind of person who puts fashion before function. Not my type. Let me make another thing clear, I also doubted they could work until I rode them myself. I got jawdropped! As far as dh and speed goes, some racers I know are using them and they tell me they're pretty satisfied with the trucks' performance. I rode them a couple of times on speed situations and got amazed by the fact that they apparently don't wobble. Even though I'm not a top racer myself, I get comfortable with speeds ranging from 40 to 55 mph due to my background in hills. Just for your further info, the trucks can come in different hardnesses, being them soft, medium or hard - pretty much the same deal we have with bushings - and some models even come with extenders, a kind of spacer for trucks. Bottomline here is: it's new, thus the controversy. Wide boards and upturned nose and tail once were controversial too. Maybe it's history repeating. Next time you try to be funny or pretend to be the owner of the truth, try to provide yourself with a little more information before. The way your comments are written make you look like a typical prejudiced redneck. Having your own opinion doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful.
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GOG
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On 8/7/2006 Chuck Gill
wrote in from
United States
(192.249.nnn.nnn)
"i really don't want all the wild guessing around here"
In light of posting cold, hard facts, that is what you will get.
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randal r2 buttboard
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On 8/7/2006 hc
wrote in from
United States
(168.149.nnn.nnn)
The popular truck setup is to run RII trucks with hangars flipped (negative castor) with harder blue(harder) bushings on bottom and black bushings on top.
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Randal R2b conversion
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On 8/7/2006 Don J
wrote in from
United States
(64.115.nnn.nnn)
When doing the R2b conversion, I know the kingpin thing, but the 'harder' bushings? Is that the blue top, and black bottom? What color are Randals harder' bushings? I saw a chart on here, but black seem to be pretty hard.
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eehhhmmmm
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On 8/6/2006
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
ok...
the trucks will be reasonably priced.
geezer:wrong bet on the pricing again
we already have a price and we already talked about #s
one more month(some people have families and go on vacation) and things will start
i really don't want all the wild guessing around here.
the first truck coming out will be the front truck.
we'll announce it soon enough and take orders then
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former
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On 8/6/2006 WAX
wrote in from
United States
(67.176.nnn.nnn)
not much to tell, just seems like the Radikal team has kind of dissolved thru Marks hard times and Radikals hardships of the past year. Personally, I miss Mark slamming all other truck companies, and I miss having him coming to Nationals.....but with me out of Splitfire, and Mark taking time to get his business and life in order there just seems to be a void of arrogant ass#@!s in the truck business....
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Former?
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On 8/6/2006
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(151.200.nnn.nnn)
Do tell...
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GOG
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On 8/6/2006 WAX
wrote in from
United States
(67.176.nnn.nnn)
I saw a set of GOG first hand today...pretty nice, after a few bugs are worked out of them they will be badass...I am impressed with both the design and the machining, and I think they will be a hell of a truk when they hit the market...
I wonder how many of the former radikal team will be on them ?
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CNC pricing
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On 8/6/2006
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(68.239.nnn.nnn)
In my capacity as an engineer and mechanical designer, as well as operating a business which designs and fabricates lab instruments, I work closely with many vendors who provide fabrication services including CNC machining, waterjet and laser cutting, sheetmetal fabrication, welding, heat treating, and various speciality processes. I'm very good at designing for manufacturing to lower parts cost.
Looking at the GOG truck and considering how the parts will be fixtured for machining and the likely cost of the bill of materials, I can see that if the manufacturer wasn't approaching the project like a business, ie. accounting for all costs associated with the product, that it would be possible to arrive at an artificially low total, but ultimately when in the midst of a production run of say, 250 pieces, the cost creep would become evident.
I don't see how it's possible to make the 3 machined parts for less than about $175 a set in quantity. I can't tell from the pictures what the configuration of the axle is, but if it's a shouldered steel part with threads on both ends, it's a job for a screw machine or Swiss lathe, which is very, very expensive to set up. The spherical pivots aren't terribly expensive. A finished production truck will also have to be anodized and packaged, plus the cost of packaging and shipping is involved.
The final question is whether the manufacturer is paying for the CNC parts what a Radikal costs ar retail, which, if it is the case means that there's no way to sell the trucks any way other than directly since there's no room for retailer markup.
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just a discussion
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On 8/5/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
ah yes, just checked, this is not an advertising page where only those with exact knowlege of "facts"can state them, it's ok for others to guess at things, educated guesses that follow previous experiences like five cylinder motors being more expensive than four, four piston calipers being more expensive than two,odd stuff like that. When you take an ad and advertise a lower price then i guess i'll be wrong,i can deal with that. Then i suppose it'll still be ok to come here and guess as to how you managed to do this,lack of team,lack of partying habits, various stuff like that.Chill, and make some trucks.
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cnc pricing
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On 8/4/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
just a discussion, although i'm just trying to guess based on a similarly produced product. How does a more complicated cnc part come out cheaper, there are many ways, it might production numbers,family has a factory ect ect. What does "partly above and partly below rads" mean? If you can sell your truck for equal or less than radikals then radikals are over priced, there i go provoking another microtruck company.Why is guessing that your trucks are gonna be costly,so provoking, most of the knowledge about cnc pricing that i claim ,is ,if it's more complicated and made from a bigger piece of metal,or a harder to cut metal, then it's more costly.
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Bennet Trucks
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On 8/4/2006 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hey George!, All I have to say is I'm not holding my breath on those. Adios-P
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Geezer, Ball Pivot work on Indys?
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On 8/4/2006
Dan
wrote in from
United States
(67.40.nnn.nnn)
Geezer, are you still doing ball pivot convertions? Also, can ya do offsets, 'Cause I've got a set of Indys that I'd love to have that, and 8mm axle replacements done to. Cost? And more important, turnaround time?
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wrong posts annoy me sometimes
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On 8/4/2006
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
dearest herbn:
it's good to know how much you SEEM to know about cnc pricing in germany.
your bet is DEAD wrong.
we already paid for the amount of trucks we had and we were partly below rads and partly a little bit above rads.
as you are not connected with any part of the production process or anything remotely close we are doing i'm really wondering how you can give out such bs info.
so when we go to higher #s of trucks being produced,the cost factor will drop.
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Bennets
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On 8/4/2006
george g
wrote in from
United States
(159.87.nnn.nnn)
I am sure that some of you have seen the add in Concrete Wave from Mr. Bennett. Supposedly Bennetts are coming back. I am unable to tell if this is some kind of sick, late-April fools joke or is it true. Has anybody seen one? Big red rubbers so highly coveted on ebay for real? real Alligators? Has anybody seen anything?
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pricing gog's
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On 8/4/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
best guess,take the price of a radikal slalom truck... and figure out how much more complicated these are, there are three major machined parts instead of two , the balljoints are there,the kingpin is different but just as complicated,and they are made in germany. my guess is like 395 to 450...each,start saving.
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G.O.G.
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On 8/4/2006
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
nobody knows how much these trucks will go for,even we don't know it yet,marty.
we have some info on pricing but it is too vague,so i won't post it yet.
i,myself,am pleasantly surprised about the really big interest in those trucks.
frank and i are absolutely stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
right now we have those trucks in 4 different places across the world and we receive the feedback we want to have on construction and improvements in details.
there are two guys in america who have these trucks one is richy... so go and ask him for a ride or for his thoughts on the trucks in general.
the second guy who has those trucks is feeding us with so much input and he's really working with the trucks,incredibly nice guy.
you will see soon enough who it is.
we all will try our very best to bring those trucks to the market this fall and also have an acceptable price for those toys.
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GOG
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On 8/4/2006
Marty
wrote in from
United States
(65.83.nnn.nnn)
Hey,
Anyone hear what those GOG trucks are going to go for? A general idea?
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Carver or Tracker
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On 8/4/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
For Sidewalk Surfing I would recomend Carver. For tricks, sliding, jumping Tracker. If you want both go with Randal 150 like Jesse Parker.
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Carver Vs. Tracker
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On 8/1/2006 Sean
wrote in from
United States
(68.1.nnn.nnn)
Well I dont live in an area with much hills and I'm stuck with mostly flat land streets. So what would any of you recommend for that?
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carver v tracker
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On 8/1/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
both trucks are great - for different applications. Trackers have been around forever, and from my experience are a great slalom and all-around pumping truck. I've used them on tight and giant slalom. Carvers have only been around a few years and are much more specialized toward sidewalk surfing, though I know a couple guys that also ride them in parks for pool carving - they're loose and surfy (and only come in a couple wide hangar widths) so IMO not practical for slalom.
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Trucks
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On 8/1/2006 Sean
wrote in from
United States
(68.1.nnn.nnn)
I was wondering which trucks are better, carver or tracker. It dosent really matter which specific trucks are the best. Alls I wanted to know is which brand is better in general.
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UP Trucks
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On 8/1/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
I rode them for a while and I have to say, that they are verry stable at high speeds. The ride is smooth, but the smoothness give them a little indirect steering. They don't response as fast and as excact as a Randal or a Holey. A great truck for surfing and cruising.
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Street luge trucks
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On 7/29/2006
getbent
wrote in from
Canada
(69.11.nnn.nnn)
I'm looking for some cheep, poss. used street luge trucks prefer in Canada. but will take what I can get
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gbomblongboard
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On 7/28/2006
steve
wrote in from
United States
(205.246.nnn.nnn)
Was going to order one but there site is not working.
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