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randals
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On 11/16/2006 JJ
wrote in from
United States
(69.181.nnn.nnn)
hey whatsup
i got a sector nine carbon trylam with randal 150's some abec 7 bearings and 70 flashbacks.........when ever i get going somewhat fast I GET SPEED WOBBLES a little but i can easily correct them if i just stand straing and try not to turn at all.........i was wondering is there is a way to ajusts these trucks to be able to handle higher speed but stil somewhat be able to carve..........or should i invest into getting new trucks
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slalom on originals
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On 11/16/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
hhhmm, i was just think'n(oh oh)as i was waiting for the page to come up. If a loose truck doesn't seem to work for slalom(competitively) ,what does that mean? what can we deduce mr watson? there is something wrong with the turning action,something that keeps them from achieving a powerful pump, they may pump along effortlessly, but in a tight row of cones, other trucks generate more power. So how is the turning action of originals different from all other trucks? If they were just a hinge they would work as well as seismics,but they have that cam action, that lifts as it turns,it is possible to make a cam action truck that doesn't lift but i think it would be more complicated /heavier /more expensive.
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originals
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On 11/15/2006 ian in the Uk
wrote in from
United States
(172.200.nnn.nnn)
Hi
I use originals on my Ed Economy 57 incher, and it carves on a sixpence.It's a great if unusual feeling! But to me they are terrifying at speed,too wobbly> I use Holeys, Seismics or good old Randalls on steeper hills.I don't think they would work for slalom, but that's not something i 've tried.
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tripp'n on the wides
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On 11/14/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
this is the worst thing,especially when it's a total surprize,i may have to check them out for my shopping board,wondering about distribution.
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originals
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On 11/13/2006
Laura Bissell
wrote in from
United States
(71.40.nnn.nnn)
I had a pair of ridiculously wide originals that I rode on a 60" long board larry. At first, I wasn't fond of them, because I felt I was taking my life in my hands because the trucks pitched like a mechanical bull. But once I got used to the feel of them, I adored them- some of the best trucks- hands down- for that specific "surfing" feel. For a long board, perfect. To race? I don't know that I'd want to cut them fast- they seem unpredictable until they've been ridden a good bit. Big long nice smooth buttery carves.
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Radikal baseplates
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On 11/13/2006
jay
wrote in from
Sweden
(83.226.nnn.nnn)
Hey!
I need a pair of those radikal downhill baseplates, with spherical bearings, 35 degrees.... Do any of you guys know where to get them from?
Would sooo appriciate an answer!
/J
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Original Trucks
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On 11/13/2006
Thomas
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
I've tried the Originals. The feel just wasn't there; They lack the fluid motion that the urethane gives in other trucks. Exkate trucks are so lively and fluid where agility is needed. I wouldn't use them for slalom, but for all out carving or soul riding, just slap a soft bushing in them - they'll still hold a line under speed and outcarve any truck I know of with that juicy feel.
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Slalom/Originals
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On 11/13/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Herbn, nope, no one even touches those for Racing. However, I've put them to use for techie-turning steep descents on fairly long boards (Gravity mini-carve) and found that I could cut across the fall-line on 12% grades that're less than two lanes wide, as long as the wheels still had grip. Nice for the snowboard-crosstraining gig, or, as you noted, casual pedestrian weaving on the shore (Like I'd know, being landlocked in VT). They're easily able to make a 22" wheelbase cut into 5' arced turns, shortboard-surf style cutbacks are a strength, stability at speed is NOT. Nice idea, as trucks go, but not quite right...
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Originals
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On 11/12/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
Saw a set,and scrutinized them a bit. I'm not really sure how they ride, they were a totally rediculously wide pair, there is a bit of play on the turning axis and of course they were totally loose,which is sort of their trade mark. SO i guess for cruis'n the shore they'd be kind of cool,the wide ones are really heavy, i may have to investigate a narrow set on a board with total cut outs riser pads wreck a board for me,and being so loose and so turnable , on any board with a full shape you're gonna have to stack on the risers. The play in the pivot and the looseness sort of elliminates them for high speeds,no? Are they used for slalom? competitively? i'm not sure about how i feel about the cam action which sort of lifts you, on the turning axis,as you lean,if no one can get them to REALLY work in slalom this might be the reason, is does give you a little more leverage as you lean. Is there a top slalom guy who is within tenths of first place at major races who uses originals?
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The New Bennett's in the 4.3" Hanger
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On 11/10/2006 Paul(Howard)iwog
wrote in from
United States
(65.122.nnn.nnn)
Hey, if anyone is interested, I've blabbed a bunch of stuff about this truck on www_slalomskateboarder_com on the General Truck Discussion Forum.
In short:
For SLALOM use you could do better with something else but at the same time you could do a LOT worse with other trucks too. They are VERY turny, there is just an odd diminished pump action due to the geometry. McCree's Mighty Triangle dissertation would be applicable. All the LongDistancePumper/Skogging/Skumping types would know what I'm talking about instantly.
For CARVING use on a short, medium, or long board these things turn really quick and smooth in that early/mid 70's way just like I remember Bennetts and Lazers used to turn. If you don't want to be doing grinds(long kingpin) and just have a blast on a mellow hill carving really whippy turns, G-Turns, walking the deck while carving a semicircle and other longboard freestyle, etc, these trucks are VERY nice to ride. I'm glad I nabbed a set right away from www.solidskate.com . Maria at www.sk8kings.com said they might be getting some when I talked to her a few weeks ago.
Adios-Paul
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G.O.G.`s
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On 11/9/2006
Heiko
wrote in from
Germany
(213.168.nnn.nnn)
Hey Laura. If you want the G.O.G´s what is very nice because they are very good please contact Maria at SK8KINGS they will handle all the selling in the USA. If there are all sold out please contact me or Don the next trucks are on the way...
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need some trucks
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On 11/9/2006
Laura
wrote in from
United States
(71.40.nnn.nnn)
I'm in the market for some trucks. I like the design of the GOG, Fyre, etc. I love that there are more options. I just won some Trackers (two RTS, no RTX. is that back or front?) though. Can you mix a tracker (front) with one of the new precision rears of another brand name? Also, when will these be mass-marketed? I've not seen prices or availability... maybe I'm not looking or asking the right folks. I've got chicken offset on my board, but I need to get a few more boards set up because the sport is growing and I can't expect my friends to doll out the big bucks before they've really gotten into it- so riding my extra boards with me is our only option. If any of you have several old sets to let go of, please e-mail me. Anything is better than nothing for my newbie friends, but I'm exeedingly interested in the new trucks. Want some. Will pay. Whatever.
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Exkate bushings
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On 11/6/2006
Thomas
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
Reed- I had the same thing happen to a pair of my Exkate bushings. Just call or e-mail and let tell them they're bunk. They replaced mine for free; I just had to pay for the shipping to Exkate. The replacements they sent have not had the same problem.
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Fyre/Liquid Trucks
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On 11/6/2006
Thomas
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
Chris- I love the new truck designs. I can tell just by the pictures that they're a definite improvement from the conventional design. I'm so ready to be done with squeeky pivot cups and sloppy pivot interfaces. I don't care if they weigh 5 pounds each and don't improve my ride at all, If I can get a silent, tight, and consistent truck under my speedboard, I'll be the first to buy a set. Any idea when Liquid Trucks might be available to the public?
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exkate bushing
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On 11/6/2006 reed
wrote in from
United States
(141.156.nnn.nnn)
i have a pair of exkate 201 for about.... 4 days and the front bushing is spliting on both sides so now i have no stability and its capable of wheel biting. did i do something wrong? i'm probably going to end up buying a new pair of bushings
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Buy Revenge?
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On 11/4/2006
Robert D. Stirling
wrote in from
Finland
(82.181.nnn.nnn)
Great site, thanks to contributors,
I am away from home (Australia) and have some nice Force Ind R7's on an old Cab. Bat's board, I grew up with my HPG split axles on a Edwards rocker deck and here in Europe now ride Holeys on a 36" Pool board amongst others. The Randals on the longboard do not get much use as there are no hills round here.
Should i Buy a set of Revenge for my short boards in the pool, or is this an overkill, the Holeys handle it well.
Are these Revenge trucks really a long board only truck?
I love the Force and Holeys, wheel bite being the only problem to overcome if wheels are over/ about 70mm.
I too seem a little disappointed in my Gull SL2002 after riding the originals HPG's for twenty six years before they were stolen for the second time.
Anyone.
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grind friendly dh trucks
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On 11/2/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
i'm glad that fluids will be grind friendly, that;s my new favorite way to slow down. Seriosly clearence is a very good thing on a truck that will might be used on sidewalks in a recreational commuting purposes. Slalom trucks, i guess can be made for a controlled course
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Fyre in Dixie
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On 11/1/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Thanks Paul, You can try them out first hand as soon as I pull into town. I tried to put as many design features that I could, all into one relatively simple design. Here's what I wanted for myself:
Precise steering
Fixed pivot angle
Strong, straight, through 8mm axles
Bushings and kingpin are not load bearing
Large, thin, simple bushing seats
Simple and complex bushings work well
Uniform compression of the bushings top and bottom
Strong kingpin system
New school and old school bolt hole patterns
Largest variety of baseplate angles anywhere - no wedging
Hanger swaps easy, maintaining bushing tension
Quick-adjust hanger widths
Skate key only tool needed
Front and back hanger are the same
Design can be manufactured affordably
At first, I will only make bushings available with the purchase of Fyre Trucks. Why would I want to make everyone else's trucks better?
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Fyre's at the Dixie Cup
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On 11/1/2006 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Chris, Bravo! Very Clever, well thought out. If I'm interpreting what I see correctly, they solve a lot of nagging issues I've been ruminating in my head for the last few years. I'm looking forward to seeing them this weekend. See you there, and oh yeah, MAKE SOME BUSHINGS FOR THE REST OF US! Thanks-Paul
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parallel
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On 11/1/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
actually what i meant by parallel was the four wheel end of the board is not like a little rollerskate,even with slightly different geometrys the close trucks steer like a four wheel steer honda does in highspeed passing mode, which is great for traction.
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6 wheelers
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On 11/1/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Actually, my 6 wheel downhill boards have the double trucks in the front, and my 6 wheel slalom boards have the double trucks in the rear. In both cases, I have the axles of the double truck setup steering independently of one another, and at (slightly) different angles. They are not parallel, except for when you are going straight. The frontmost (or rearmost) truck has to "outsteer" the truck just inside it, because it has a longer wheelbase.
In short, the double trucks in front steer slowly, track well, and provide great traction and stability in Downhill.
In Slalom however, I want quicker steering up front, and more traction and drive in the rear.
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podiums are hard to argue with...
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On 11/1/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
though the term "arguement" should be in quotes like that. The six wheel thing is really interesting and i have a theory on why it might work so well,at the moment i don't remember if the extra wheels are in the front or the back,but i'll just consider the four wheeled end of the board to be the dominant end and i know the trucks face the same way.I'll compare it to four wheel steering on cars,there are two modes,skateboard like for slow speed manuverability and parallel for high speed lane changing. So the four wheeled end goes through the cones, with it's little tiny wheel base, steering parallel and the other end( back i think) follows.
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KNOCK OFF THEORY
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On 11/1/2006
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
hmmmm front truck knock off here's the story how this truck happened. no radikal at hand for frank only me and heiko having one,frank showed up one day with his version of a front truck,which was very similar to the endproduct we now have.at that time we were friends with frank,but with a bit more distance than we have now.frank worked on his own,developing the truck and he also took later on measurements on our radikals to see how it was done. he then showed up with a beefed up version and i have to admit that his front outturned my radikal.i was stoked.the other thing i really like about his version is that a:you can use whichever bushings you like b:you don't have to buy extra axles for different setups c: no hassles on any breakage(kingpins),no worries.the truck itself is different when riding it compared to a radikal front,that impression has been underlined by several pro-skaters involved in the testing of the product. on a side note(no bad blood please,i just want to show a few things from our viewpoint,it's up to you if you believe it or not,but i make the effort)i really don't have the money you had to gamble around with mark,i wish i had and i would make more things happen.with my limited supply of money i do what i can do. every other interpretation of my "wealth" is absolutley gross and exaggerated. why did G.O.G. happen? a very honest and straight answer:we were all fed up with the bad customer service radikal had and we all wanted to show folks how things could be done. the G.O.G. is the answer. good side effects are that you-all of a sudden-lower your pricing on the trucks. i don't have to live from the sales the trucks generate-i'm lucky. but i really like what we are doing and adding our share to the community. so when the phrase"seeds are planted" is used,please use it under the appropiate light and see it with some selfcriticism.
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Radikal's New Rear Truck
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On 11/1/2006
Keith Hollien
wrote in from
United States
(70.152.nnn.nnn)
I have been working with the new Radikal rear truck. The new hanger will be made out of the same 61-T6 aircraft grade billet aluminum that the front(Dragon’s Claw) truck is made from. The new rear hanger will no longer have trailing swing arms and the axles will screw into the hanger. The axles will be in the same position as the trailing swing arms in the lower hole on the present version of the rear(Dragon’s Tail) truck. There has been no chnages to the baseplate. The new rear hanger will work with the 45* front baseplate or the 35* rear baseplate. I will have a few of the prototypes with me at Dixie Cup this weekend. As always feel free to contact me at Keith@KeithHollien.com or 352-494-2503. Also see my post on the Vendor's Corner for our new prices.
Keith, Teams Radikal & Oust.
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Lead Sleds Work
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On 10/31/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
What I'm saying is that many people have just "assumed" that lighter is better, that big wheels "take too long to pick up speed", and that "wider gives you better traction" and that "lower is better" and "more wheels means more rolling resistance". I'm finding that in many cases, the exact opposite is true.
The only time that I want my board to be light is if and when I have to push at a start in a pack race. There's a bigger difference in Randal Luge trucks, Randal Downhill trucks, and Randal R-II 180s than there is these slalom trucks, and I never hear anyone complaining about the weight of them.
Big wheels are heavy, and when you have 6 of them, they are still proportionately heavier AND 50% heavier than having only 4. When I use four 83mm tall 78mm wide Momos and two billet Liquid Trucks with 1/2" steel axles in slalom, they are also big and heavy. And they've been about the only thing to beat Jason Mitchell in GS lately. Four wheels and two trucks, six wheels and three trucks - who gives a rat's ass? They're both heavy systems and they both win races.
I'm also using narrower hanger widths with great results. They turn better and don't "push" in a turn like really wide trucks do, so I get better traction and scrub off less speed.
I also have been enjoying the increased leverage and traction of taller boards. There's more downforce and less sideload on my wheels, and once again I'm sticking the turns better. Once again, I don't like it during a push start, but I can also drop the tail section because "I AM MONGO, HEAR ME ROAR".
I also don't like flex or camber in my boards. I prefer a more rigid "lever" with nice concave and spoon features that lock my feet in nicely.
So when someone says or thinks "lighter is better", it may be - for him. But where is the proof? It's definitely not what puts me on the podium.
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