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Shcker v's?
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On 11/24/2006 Obscure Starfish
wrote in from
United States
(67.49.nnn.nnn)
I saw the shcoker v trucks and was wondering if anyone out there had gotten a chance to ride them? I would be interested in them for downhill purposes, but I'm not sure if they are unstable? if any one knows, I'd be stoked to hear from you.
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Sidewinders vs. Seismics
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On 11/24/2006 Zive 808
wrote in from
United States
(67.49.nnn.nnn)
I had a sector 9 hydra for about four months (before it was stolen) and I was thrilled with the amount of speed I got when I was using this board for transportation. However, the very first time I bombed with it, I got to about 40 mph when the thing started woblling. After I got sewn back up from those injuries I swore not to bomb with that board again. Moral of the story is that sidewinders will wobble pretty easily on hills, but I've gone about a half mile at a time just pumping the board. I have ridden a pair of seismics before, and I would definately recoment them for speed. The spring system can be confusing at firrst, but on the seismic website, they give a table for the intended uses of each of their trucks. Another advantage that seismics have over sidewinder's other than stability, is weight. My Sidewinders were heavy and clunky, but the new composite material Seismics were suprisingly light.
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Sidewinders or Seismics?
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On 11/23/2006
Matt Spaeth
wrote in from
United States
(69.119.nnn.nnn)
I love pumping flats. I had an Original Custom 35 that I loved until the trucks became too worn out and squeaky. I live in NYC and cruise around a lot on my City Crusher but I can't pump it. I'm looking at the Gullwing Sidewinders like on the Sector Nine Hydra or Seismics. I know a lot of people on here love Seismics. Has anyone tried both the Sidewinders and the Seismics? The Seismics seem so technical. I am technical person who likes tweaking my setups, but the Seismics come in so many sizes and setups I'm confused about which one would be best for me. I'm looking for something that will give me the most efficient, fluid speed off the pump, but can also scrub speed well and the downhills without getting wobble if I lose it. Thanks for all replies.
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gog
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On 11/23/2006
donald20
wrote in from
Germany
(84.62.nnn.nnn)
hit the sk8kings homepage for pricing and availability
you call 100mm wide?
they are stackable up to 130mm by the way-maybe that's wide?
who knows?
this si the first batch of trucks to be out at the moment
the adjustables come out in approx 2 months along with the jason mitchel signature rear truck.
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gog's
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On 11/23/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
so ,whats the price? on the wide ones,are the adjustable one available? just cause they're not in the pic.
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Fyre Trucks
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On 11/23/2006
Eddy Texas Outlaws
wrote in from
United States
(199.91.nnn.nnn)
Chris when are the Fyre Trucks hitting the market. I rode different setups at DHB. They had a surfy feel to them,easy to pump allmost without effort. I see a set under my Christmas tree? Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws.
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Trucks/bushings
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On 11/21/2006
Thomas
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
With Exkate bushings, you cannot crank the hanger down to try to tighten them. Unfortunately, if you want a stiffer ride, you'll have to get firmer bushings from Exkate- another downfall to the torsion truck design.
As far as downhill trucks go, Force Industries C7's are the best available option I've ever riden. They're basicly a Randal DH with a RII hanger and supple bushings. If you take out the fat inverted cup washer, you can neatly fit Holey bushings and give the ride more rebound, more consistent resistance through turns, and sharper cornering angles. I use Holey's blue 95a bushings in my C7's. They're amazingly fluid and stable, especially for lighter riders.
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DH vs Force
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On 11/20/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(67.174.nnn.nnn)
Forces are wider than DH (175mm vs 160mm) and apparently have a better quality control. Forces are essentially the australian knockoff of randal and are made somewhere in Asia. I've heard good things about them but they will probably cost you $10-20 more than the DH
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Randal downhill's or Force C7's?
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On 11/20/2006 Zive 808
wrote in from
United States
(67.49.nnn.nnn)
I was looking to piece together a dropdeck skateboard as a project over the holiday's and was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions on which trucks to go with? From the little that I've gathered about force C7's and Randal Downhill's, they are in roughly the same price range and have the same baseplate angle. Any other facts or reviews on either of the two truck models would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Jim
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Exkate bushings
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On 11/20/2006
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.99.nnn.nnn)
I hear about this happening to other Exkate riders but it's never happened to me. Maybe you all ride them harder than I do. It still shouldn't be happening. Your bushings may be defective. Contact Exkate to get replacements. They're usually pretty good about that stuff.
On the other hand, there are also a lot of other good trucks out there. If you plan on getting any speed going you may want to get Randals, which are more stable. They won't turn as good as Exkates (what will?) but they are much more versatile. For that matter the most versatile truck out there is probably still the good old Indy. Nothing on those will break after just a couple of days.
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e.xkate trucks
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On 11/20/2006 noah
wrote in from
United States
(72.24.nnn.nnn)
I got these trucks stock with my first longboard and within 2 days of riding, the place where the little metal bars go in the bushings got torn and ripped up! Has this happened to anyone else? Did I just get defective bushings or are the crappy? Should I buy new trucks or what? thanks
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Trucks for Nic
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On 11/20/2006
Steve Collins
wrote in from
United States
(65.91.nnn.nnn)
Nic, get Tracker RTX for your front truck and RTS for the back. 106mm wide is a good place to start. Get white Khiro bushings for the front and red Khiros for the back. You will also need some wedges to make them turn properly. You can get everything at Sk8kings (http://www.sk8kings.com). Your wheels are equally important. They need to be as grippy as possible. If you can, get either Seismic/3dm Cambrias in 82a all around or get Abec11/Retro ZigZags 66mm 83a all around. Sk8kings has all that stuff too (or http://www.geoskate.com for the Cambrias and http://www.abec11.com for the ZigZags). Email me if you want more info or some help on getting good deals. I'll be glad to help out.
BTW, It was great to see you and your buddies at the race the other night. You did incredibly well for your first time out and that was a really tough course. The sport needs more young skaters like you. Some regular practice and you'll be right in there.
PS - I'm probably going to be practicing at the spot tonight at about 9pm if you and your family want to stop by. I know it's late but I have to get my own kids to bed first. There will be weekend practices starting up again after the holidays that will be at more reasonable times.
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tracker trucks
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On 11/20/2006 nic
wrote in from
United States
(208.57.nnn.nnn)
i need to know what slalom trackers i should get i know theres 2 kind and no sure which one to get
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Wob thesis
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On 11/19/2006 Rick from OZ
wrote in from
Australia
(203.129.nnn.nnn)
Man, that's a great contribution. Thanks for that.
Anyways, I've been wondering how you might set up a Landy Evo with your wheels and soon to be released downhill trucks. Dunno' if this is the right forum to ask that.
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Avoiding the wobs
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On 11/18/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Here's a picture of me on R-IIs in front of Jim Z (and others) at the Sandia race. I'm using 50 degree baseplates from and rear. I'm high off the ground, using a thick, top mount deck, risers, and 90mm Flywheels. I wouldn't be using this setup if I thought that it was unstable. I not only survived, but podiumed, along with the Rogers Brothers.
The reason that I chose this setup is because there are no turns on this hill that require the full sliding position. Most of it is all high-speed standing carves, and it's easier to corner and stay in your tuck when you don't have to lean that much to get the board to turn. You also get great traction form a high, quick-steering setup because there is more downforce, and fewer sideloads on your wheels. Yes, it's a bit hairy to be so high off the ground, but it works. It's also harder to push a tall board at the start, but most races aren't won at the start.
If you have a low CG and slower turning trucks, you enjoy more stability, but you also induce more of a "push" when turning, and therefore scrub off more speed in the turns. Wisdom comes in knowing how to balance the amount of traction and the amount of stability in all of the different conditions.
Some of the things that I do to gain more stability (and avoid the wobs) are:
1. Use slower turning baseplate angles, especially in the back.
2. Use mismatched baseplate angles, so that your front outsteers the back.
3. Use firmer and/or deader and/or wider bushings, especially in the back.
4. Tighten up the trucks, especially in the back.
5. Use low CG decks (dropped or drop-throughs).
6. Use wider hangers.
7. Use decks with longer wheelbases.
8. Use decks that are narrower in the back to avoid oversteering the rear.
9. Stand closer to the front and put more weight over the front truck.
For stability, throw away conical bottom bushings (or use them only as tall top bushings), and use only barrel bushings on the bottom. I use longer kingpins and put barrel bushings top and bottom. I get a full range of motion when wanted, but I can clamp them down nicely when needed. I use cup washers (especially on the rear) when I want to tighten down a truck a lot, because they compress the bushings more, and "bulge" the bushings less. When I want the truck to steer more, I'll use flat washers and/or softer bushings and/or narrower bushings and/or higher rebound bushings.
Of course learning to ride with confidence and experience can greatly reduce the number of times that you get the wobs. I stand more upright, airbrake, and always set my board "on edge" when I feel a wob coming on. Going straight, squatting down, leaning back and just "holding on" is inviting the frequency of the vibration to escalate until the board finally bucks you off. Wear slide-gloves, plastic knees (and of course a helmet) when attempting greater speeds. Lastly, get to know how a board behaves when it breaks traction, by learning to pump and ride with loose trucks, and by forcing yourself to do both standing and Coleman slides. If you just tighten up your trucks and try to bomb hills without knowing how to turn and slide, you're going to eat it.
I hope this helps. God luck, and bombs away...
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"Actually speedboards"
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On 11/18/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
POed, good point there... I assumed that our friend, who's having issues with 'wobs' on Randal 150's probably dosen't Race.
[I do, though I've not gone and run a sanctioned Downhill in well over a decade, merely contented myself with Slalom. I simply can't push slides anymore, so, with today's technical courses (oh, and having newborn twins to take care of), I'm not likely doing any Maryhill type of runs in the near future.Coaching Racers is enough for now, and if I want to go Fast,I'll hop on one of my woodie Luges (Vintage Luge, like we need That as a Category).]
I Did mention DH trucks, besides bushings,wedges and kingpin upgrades. It depends on how seriously fast one wishes to go. Moreover, JJ mentions being also able to Carve, which implies that a 30* baseplated DH Randal might not have the steering rate he's looking for. Thus, my 'recommended' (besides,um,tinkering to suit) angles are kind of what I'd be using to 'cruise' at 40-50 mph, yet still get across the fall-line at lower speeds on a two-lane, depending on Bushings and tension.
Relax, btw, it's absolutely the Best Defense against Wobbles...
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Randal Worldwide
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On 11/17/2006
Patrick
wrote in from
United States
(68.32.nnn.nnn)
I have seen Randal's in Brazil at Teutonia and other very fast places. They run great at speed. Check out the video of Semnoz with Djul on them. He kills it. You do not need DH at all.
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ugh
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On 11/17/2006 POed
wrote in from
United States
(71.211.nnn.nnn)
take it from someone who actually speedboards- 50 degree baseplates, which is what randal r2's sit on, are not stable at speed. sure you can always tighten the hell out of the truck so that it doesn't turn, but that's no good either. i don't know why i even read the crap people post on here anymore, because no-one (herbn exempt) seems to know what they're talking about. i only resopnd with your saftey in mind. if you want an affordable go fast solution get the dh's.
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Wobble on Randals?
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On 11/17/2006
Thomas
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
I've had Randal II's on a flat deck with 1/2" risers and stock bushings. Wobble was not an issue at all for anything under 50mph. I don't know when they would begin to wobble as I have just never felt comfortable taking them above that speed. Anyway, my setup was sitting very tall, but also very stable under speed. When I tried to wedge the front truck, I did get some wide, swervy kind of wobbles. Nothing like bombing on Exkates with soft bushings, but wobbles nonetheless. JJ, if your riding a trylam, it's definitely stiff enough to impart stability. If your riding unwedged, I can't explain why your Randals would be getting speed wobble. Just make sure your feet are confident on your deck and your distributing your weight evenly. It sounds like more practice might be on the agenda.
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yeah check that
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On 11/17/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
the board i saw with the originals on it ,had the mounting hardware ridiculously loose,and the guy riding it didn't even notice, that would probabely add to wobbles.
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JJ's wobbles
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On 11/17/2006 Chris
wrote in from
United States
(64.128.nnn.nnn)
JJ, wobbles are more in the mind and the way you position yourself on the board than in the board itself. Standing straight and stiff is usually the best way to GET wobbles.
That being said, the trilam with a 29” WB, Randal 150’s with stock bushings and flashbacks should cruise nicely and be stable way over 35mph. Are your trucks wedged? Is everything assembled correctly etc..? I know those are stupid questions, but it almost sounds like something is not right with the board. How fast is "somewhat fast"?
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Randal 150 Wobs
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On 11/17/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
JJ, get some blue[med.], green[med.hard], and black[Hard] RADIKAL busings, use whichever fits your weight/strength as a lower bushing (Tracker Stimulators in Green or Blue[hard] are also a great choice, but now are pricey). This fat, and somewhat stiff bushing type will help keep the truck from getting the wobbles, but will also restrict the lean (also how deep you'll turn) of the trucks, so consider Not Using the bottom washer against the baseplate. Stiff, but not-as-fat barrel-shaped bushings like the harder Doh-Doh's or Khiros can also be effective, and will fit easier without needing to add a longer kingpin. You can still run conical (tapered) top bushings with the bigger lower bushings, OR you can put in a longer kingpin, and use dual barrel (Khiro type) bushings if you want. Longer kingpins will make grinding riskier, but for bombing hills, are a good set-up choice, as you can tailor the bushing selection to suit your hills. Lastly, consider wedging. If you take some steering out of the Randals, they get very stable (this is why they make different baseplates for Luge or DH Vs. Cruising). I like 40* or 45* Front to 33* Rear to really ride fast with, as then the front can still steer, but the rear just tracks steady. Again, Khiro has good wedged risers, and even offers the wedges in a race-pack that features different angles (Rail Wedge Risers), so you can 'fine tune' the steering some more.There's more info here (going back Years, too) on truck set-ups, as well as over on slalomskateboarder.com. Tinker a little, and keep in mind that Bushings,kingpins or Wedges cost very little compared with buying new trucks. Besides, Randals are a decent bombing/cruising truck, and it'll cost you plenty to upgrade to a better Downhilling (racing) truck.
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G.O.G. Trucks Shipping Now
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On 11/17/2006
Maria C./SK8KINGS.COM
wrote in from
United States
(207.200.nnn.nnn)
Check out Vendor's Corner for G.O.G. Truck ordering info in the U.S.A.
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first board?
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On 11/17/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
sounds like it's real early in your skate history.I'm thinking that if you had previous experience with indys or trackers and a bunch of time on skateboards this question wouldn't come up. The standing real straight and not turning kind of throws me, to avoid wobbles with loose trucks i carve like "my life depends on every turn" real wobbles usually don't get better by stiffening up,maybe for a short while, then unless the hill comes to a sudden end the wobbles come back,and usually worse. I think randal 180's are a bit better at speed,but i don't think you're going all that fast maybe low thirtys,and it's just begginer gitters ,you just need to practice practice practice,smaller hills or maybe start lower,carve a lot,bomb a bit,carve again break it up, at different turns try not to repeat patterns, carve like stacy at kenter.
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