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Truck challenge
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On 12/26/2006
Steve C.
wrote in from
United States
(164.64.nnn.nnn)
Bring on you truck challenge Chaput. Just make sure you get someone who is good at riding the street setup, someone like Koston. Then go ahead and run you challenge. I bet you would be suprised at what the outcome is and how well someone can actually turn the trucks you say are only good for going in a straight line. Let's especially put slalom trucks to the test in a bowl or park. Bring on the challenge and let's see the footage. But do it right. Don't get some old wash up to ride the street deck. Let's get someone who actually rides these things to show you what is possible.
If I remember correctly Chaput you scoffed at a guy at this year's Indian School race who was riding a cut down park board and Indy 169s. If I remember you said to him "you didn't actually ride that did you?" Ans his reply was "increased monuverability." Dawkins rules. If I remember correctly he finish about 15th. And his first timed run was his first run in Indian School. In all reality he could have finished in the top 10 easily if he would have had some practice. So run your test and get someone like Dawkin's to ride the Indy's. I bet you would eat your own words if you atually did it. So bring it on Chaput, but do it right. Prove us all wrong.
The reality is that there is no industry standards for street boards either. There is a ton of variation in board and truck widths as well as wheel sizes. But you would not know that because you don't street skate. But let's have a challenge. Why don't you get some people to help you with your test. Get a guy like Rune or Christian to run the part of the "no turner" and see what those guys can do on some Indy's or whatever they ride. Until you do, you are talking smack with nothing to back it up. Do your test and please let us know who the riders are. Some kid from the skatepark ain't gonna give you any credibility. Do this right. Quit spraying and produce some real results. You said you could do then do it. Just do it right, by the book. Be objective! Don't just subject us to your opinion, do a real scientific study.
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randal 2
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On 12/25/2006
2-ro
wrote in from
United States
(72.199.nnn.nnn)
yo! hey i was just wondering, im new to the sport and i just wanted to know something.
are randals good trucks?
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alternative mounting hardware
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On 12/25/2006
k-lee
wrote in from
United States
(71.222.nnn.nnn)
Nobody? I use U-Bolts and Traction Bolts, and have owned my fair share of Bridgebolts, and I love them all! I also think that they look cool to boot. That makes one....guess I'm a nobody.
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bugged me a bit too
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On 12/25/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
basically cc made it seem like you had to have oversized bushings, and specific gepmetry trucks to even count as turning, like a pair of loose indys don't even turn,and are good for nothing exept flipping and jumping gaps all day.Figure eight line in pools, don't count. I've seen quite a bit of os flavor in some new school vid, high jumps(without ollie) over a railing on the way to a kickflip down a gap,stuff like that,landing the gap a bit off and carving off to balence obviuosly on loose trucks. I'm all about carving and speed and in that environment i scare the hell out of even advanced fliptrick "kids" but when i try to ride even a little bit on sort of a new school deck and try newer tricks ,i feel old,definitely. It would be very natural just to call all that new stuff junk and unimportant, like old folks called beatles noise, and beatle fans called punk noise, and old punks,get down on new punk,and.... how much further can the analogy go.
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LOL
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On 12/24/2006 C. Gill
wrote in from
United States
(65.11.nnn.nnn)
"Maybe you could upload a CAD image to show me how street skaters don't turn."
I nominate that one for post of the year!
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bump stops
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On 12/24/2006 dt
wrote in from
United States
(68.96.nnn.nnn)
I just wanted to add a pineapple to the oranges and grapes.
bumpstops like on the uptrucks are nothing new, and i would like to share a very practical set i saw on a friends board.
It was a prototype set of exkate torsion trucks designed for the speed record. These used short, small diameter bump stops that extened out of the deck. Looked realy clean and kept the hangers from bottoming out. More of a safety measure than feature considering you dont lean the board very far at speed.
Erik,
i believe you confused Formula One with Indy and Nascar (which usually drive in circles). Formula One is the pinnacle of automotive technology and races the most technical, paved roadcourses (Rally is rad too). Several of the corners allow the drivers to reach g forces exceeding 3.5g s.
sincerely.
a formula one fan
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abec 11
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On 12/24/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
is like that band with the amps that go to 11 it's a spuffy name.5 to 60 thousanths,hhmm 5 for a bit of side to side play,60 if you use cherry bombs,.400 is about right for most wheels,ehh your whole arguement isn't for real anyway ,just poking away at chaputs' chest with your typing finger,twisting everything a bit,,whatever ,merry christmas evrybody
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erik chris
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On 12/24/2006 renaldo
wrote in from
United States
(66.215.nnn.nnn)
are these the guys from broke back mountain
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eriks?
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On 12/24/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(24.23.nnn.nnn)
maybe its the Groff one, isn't he chappy's nemesis or something.
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Uptrucks image
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On 12/24/2006 Erik
wrote in from
United States
(66.171.nnn.nnn)
Forgot the image for uptrucks.
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*Sigh*
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On 12/24/2006 Erik
wrote in from
United States
(66.171.nnn.nnn)
Chris,
Man, I'm not sure what your beef is. No backpeddling. You wanted my stance on wheel bite stops, I gave it to you plain and simple. They work for me.
How about Uptrucks (http://www.uptrucks.com)? They have a solution for wheel bite as well, essentially a boom arm that goes from the baseplate out to make contact with the pivoting hanger. Do uptrucks suck to in your almighty opinion too? No, I have skated those too, and they work (although I'm not a fan of urethane trucks, but that's another issue). Will the board flex? Yes. Are there conditions under which it will fail? Perhaps. But most of the time it works, which results in a skater riding away from his/her tricks more than without the wheel bite stops. What you should get from this Chris (I've got to spell things out for you apparently): there are companies out there solving the problem of wheel bite. It is a real problem with real solutions. Your argument as to why more street trucks don't have wheel bite stops is because, quote 'If turn limiters were necessary in street skating, I guess everyone has had it all wrong for the last 20 years.' That's pretty naive. Given an argument like that, you're basically saying that for anything, if it hasn't been invented by now, then it's not worth inventing. So then why are you bothering to design racing trucks? People have been racing for decades on trucks, so they must have had it wrong for the past 20 years, right? How about your wheels? Urethane wheels have been around for 30-40 years and people have been skating them just fine, so they must have had it wrong for the past 30-40 years? Why waste your time designing new wheels? Could there possible be room for improvement in skateboard equipment? (take a moment here to pause and let the mouse turn the wheel in your head a couple revolutions).
Chris, your arguments are weak, your logic is flawed, and your opinions do not predicate fact.
Do your little science project, I'd love to see it. If the wheel bite stops fail, then you didn't set them correctly. Try to read the user's manual first. I did consult Peter Verone's site, and he is less than impressed with your stuff, so it's no wonder you're going to bash PVDs. It seems you're quite good at making enemies with your pigheaded opinions, bad assumptions, and generally poor attitude.
If you want stuff to bash, let's look at your stuff (www.abec11.com). ABEC-11, a name for a wheel? WTF, that's a rating for BEARINGS and, as almost everyone knows, has very little to do with performance unless you're going like 300 mph. Sounds like a marketing gimmick to me. Built-ins? What a joke, my first K-mart board 20 years ago had bearings with built in spacers and everyone thought they sucked for good reason. By the way, according to Verdone you didn't even get the spacer depth right (from http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/skatebearings.htm: '...For Builtins, it may be necessary to place a 0.005-0.040" spacer shim between the bearings and the spacer since Builtins are cut to exact .400" spacing (duh...Chris!!). ... It is just too bad that they took such a nieve approch and did not bother to measure the wheels on the market.' Sounds like a pretty flawed product that doesn't work as advertised to me. For $25.99 a set it's a big waste of money too. X-bolt mounting plates? Chris, people stopped using BridgeBolts and U-bolts for a reason. They a big, clunky, and lack, quoting from you 'uninterrupted stylish appearance,' (that means they're ugly). As for the remaining 80 or so unique stuff you claim you make, I'm not seeing it.
Cheers,
-Erik
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10 speeds in reverse
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On 12/23/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(71.254.nnn.nnn)
The backpedalling has begun already. Now certain "turn limiter technology" could fail, but the Alpha truck would have succeeded. Is that what you're suggesting? I don't like turn limiters, and it doesn't matter which kind. As far as the test goes, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the Alphas will fail to prevent wheelbite for the exact same reason that the PVDs will. Neither address the issue of the board flexing down onto the spinning wheel. They only stop the truck from turning. I won't need to do any ollies off of a big gap and land on the edge of the board. I'll just ride a longboard, turn, and they will fail at stopping wheelbite. Guaranteed.
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No, I'm not
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On 12/23/2006 Erik
wrote in from
United States
(66.171.nnn.nnn)
Chris, I already made it abundantly clear that I am not Erik Chmelar, are you seriously so obtuse? I am not Erik Chmelar, is that clear enough?
Anyway, I look forward to your little video tape masking tape science project. But know that PVD's use completely different turn limiting than Alphas, so I'm not sure what you're going to say about your results (that's like me taping street skating with Alphas and then drawing the conclusion that PVDs work for slalom). Do what you will though, I'll watch it.
Just so you know my stance: Alphas work for street skating/longboarding. Skate loose trucks, do flippies or whatever, and don't get wheel bite. Skate gaps and don't get wheel bite. But ollie off a big gap and land right on the edge of your board and there ain't nothing that's gonna prevent the wheels from hitting the board, but in that case you were going to eat it anyway and if the bushings didn't compress under such pressure something may break. My point is I like wheel bite stops, they permit skaters to land tricks that they would otherwise not ride away from due to wheel bite, unless they are so far off that there is no hope. Is that plain and simple enough for you or do you want it notarized?
I'll be on vacation for the Holidays so I'll check back on this forum after the new year.
Cheers,
-Erik
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Erik Who?
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On 12/23/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(71.254.nnn.nnn)
Why don't you stop dancing around the subject and just be honest. It's a simple question. Are you, or are you not, Erik Chmelar?
You say that you, "know "some people at Alpha". Are you saying that you know yourself? Is Alpha some kind of secret society or what?
You know what my name is. You know where I stand on turn limiters, cutting off the sides of your kingpins, etc. Where do you stand? One minute you're giving us the link to the AlphaSkate website, and the next minute you don't want to be responsible for any of the content there. I didn't even bring up the site content until MSK did. I just happen to agree with him. I'll make the video, no problem. I'll use a PVD with wide hangers, and stop the wheels from hitting the deck using turn limiters. Then I'll put a fresh piece of tape on the deck where the wheel will rub and I'll turn until the tape on the deck hits the wheel. I'll show you the mark it leaves. I'll do it all in one take so that you don't suspect any trick photography.
I laughed when I read, "...uninterrupted stylish appearance.." in the patent application. I thought that we were talking about the function of products, and not making fashion statements.
But hey, let's just start with the basics. Are you Erik Chmelar? It's a yes/no question. Try it.
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Boy, this keeps getting better
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On 12/23/2006 Erik
wrote in from
United States
(66.171.nnn.nnn)
Chris,
Boy, now I'm getting bashed for stuff on the Alpha web site! This is truly lame Chris. If you want to discuss things on their web site, contact them, not me. Wow, my name is Erik with a k and I know some people at Alpha; oh my, you're so clever.
If you want to continue arguing about whatever, I'll continue so you don't post a weak 'ha ha, he disappeared, I was right about everything' rebuttal. I'm not going to argue for or against stuff on their web site. The original topic was wheel bite stops. I posted their trucks because in my experience they work for street and longboarding. You don't believe that they work for slalom racing, and that fine (some other racers like them). Let's not get the two discipines confused. I made the original posting stating Alphas are street and longboard trucks, not racing trucks, and I never said 'go out and buy Alphas for racing.' I stated, 'Hey, I notices you're talking about wheel bite stops. Here are some trucks that use wheel bite stops, they work for me for street/longboarding, but they're not racing trucks.'
Why are you continuing to look for things to argue about? Is it hubris or something? I can tell you're pig-headed, so this argument will likely never end. I don't think we need to waste more time and space on this forum on our petty argument. So go ahead and have the last word if it will pump up your ego.
I would be interested in seeing those videos you mentioned earlier about how wheel bite stops don't work for you (conditions under which they've failed for you), because that would be instructive and educational.
Shoelace protectors would be cool, street skaters are constantly breaking laces. Look at skate shoes, you'll see all kinds of shoelace protector stuff built in, and there's a company called Scoff that makes reinforced laces for skating--laces that resist ripping. Ii read it on www.sflongboarding.com. Uh-oh, that web site is in San Francisco, does that mean I'm Erik Olsen and work on SLAP's staff and we're all in cahoots in the Bay Area? No it means I like supporting small local companies that are trying to do different things, developing solutions to problems, like Alpha or Scoff. It's ***holes like you who think they are so darn smart that they know everything and enjoy nothing more than bashing others. Honestly Chris, now are you going to start bashing Scoff's reinforced laces as a stupid idea and try to get me to defend them too?
Michael,
Thanks for the insight, I drew the geometry for the math to get the 10 foot turn radius and 18 degree turn based on what it takes to avoid cones in succession (here's a crappy figure, X's are cones):
/-----\ /-----\
...X......X......X......
\-----/
Cheers,
-Erik with a k
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Wheelbases
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On 12/23/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(71.254.nnn.nnn)
Okay so you're not Erik Chmelar, registered owner of the domain ALPHASKATE.COM, and contact listed on the website. You're not patent applicant #20060097470 Erik Vaclav Chmelar. So which Erik (with a K) at Alphaskate are you? How many Eriks are there at Alphaskate?
Msk is spot on about the wheelbase. When skaters first moved away from the old-school hole pattern, they did so solely to protect the outer hardware. By NOT dicking with the inner hole placement, they preserved the KNOWN GOOD position of the truck on the deck and its KNOWN GOOD wheelbase. Changing the inner hole placement on the baseplate of the truck changes the axle position relative to the end of the deck. This means that the underside of the kicks will engage the ground SOONER when you ollie because of the reduced deck angle. Assuming a skater liked what he had but the truck manufacturer changed its hole positions, he would have to then try to find the same deck with a longer wheelbase just to get back to the wheelbase and ollie angle that he likes, AND he's lost the benefit of having his outer mounting hardware protected, which was the reason that new-school hole pattern was adopted in the first place. Not only that, but street skaters don't measure their wheelbases axle-to-axle, they measure it inner hole to inner hole on the deck itself. So even if the baseplate holes were to change (and therefore the axle-to-axle wheelbase), kids would still call out the same wheelbase measurement, even though the ride characteristics have changed.
Why would someone intentionally reduce the structural integrity of a kingpin in the direction that skaters turn? Oh yes, to help limit the turn, even though street is now all about turning and not about having strong parts.
You want to demonstrate how well or much street decks turn? Bring it on. We'll take a board (or boards) that represent the "industry standard" in street and we'll take my boards and test them side by side in slalom and in parks. No ollies, no kick turns, just plain old fashion turning. We'll videotape it so that everyone can then see how well street decks turn. 52mm wheels in 99a, 5" trucks, hard bushings, turn limiters fully engaged, can't wait! We'll decrease the street deck's wheelbase by 1/2" and INCREASE my wheelbase by 1/2" and see how important your baseplate holes are in turning a street deck.
BTW, How's your "shoelace protector" patent coming along? You know, the one that, "...permits the majority of the shoelace to remain in full view to yield an uninterrupted stylish appearance..." Is that another one of your "longboard" products?
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Alpha trucks
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On 12/23/2006
msk
wrote in from
United States
(71.93.nnn.nnn)
I agree with Herbn's point about "a problem in the making" There are certain trucks that I continually snapped kingpins on, and I don't use tight trucks, nor huck myself off of big stairsets. The problem seems to be that when turned far enough, the hanger is hitting against the kingpin, as indicated by wear on the hanger and kingpin. With other trucks that have a different geometry and/or better clearance around the kingpin, I never break kingpins. Part of my truck choice is based on eliminating this problem, while the Alphas seem like they may exaggerate it.
One point I did find somewhat humorous on Alpha's site was this:
"Wheel base affects the turning radius more than some people realize. In the old days skateboards used what is called the 'old school mounting hole' pattern. The holes in the baseplate were 2.5 inches apart. Today the 'new school pattern' is used, which has a smaller hole distance of about 2.1 inches (this was done to protect the mounting nuts from being gnarled up during noseslides, etc.). Sadly, though, to save tooling costs a lot of truck manufacturers converted to the new school pattern by moving the holes near the pivot cup back the full amount and leaving the holes near the kingpin where they were. Why is this a mistake? The mounting holes should be centered on the baseplate to make a smaller wheel base. Remember, a smaller wheel base means a tighter turn. Even something as trivial as this makes a difference: a typical street skateboard with a 7-foot turning radius on baseplates with properly centered mounting holes would have a turning radius nearly a quarter foot larger simply if the mounting holes weren't properly centered."
Most skaters I know, regardless of the type of skating they do, are very particular about their wheelbase. The "mistaken" method of moving the outer holes inward makes the most sense, since it protects the mounting bolts without changing anything else. If I wanted a slightly shorter wheelbase, I'd buy a deck that already had one. Sure, a shorter wheelbase turns a little tighter, but it also changes every other aspect of a board's feel. I think most deck companies have figured out the correct wheelbase and nose/tail lengths, and this just throws all that out the window...
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Erik
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On 12/23/2006 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(87.114.nnn.nnn)
Wel I was kinda hoping you were Erik Estrada.
Your argument about turn doesnt quite hold water. if you look at the tracks made on a dusty course you be AMAZED by how much turn the slalom boards achieve in order to miss cones. Its not just about cone avoidance, but the route past the next cone, and possibly th eone after that. The cone itself has a width, the racer has a width, accentuated by the amount of lean. Thats why a high board can take a shorter path between cones as the racer can marginaly get closer to the top of the cone without disturbing it.
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Wow, I'm the owner, eh?
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On 12/23/2006 Erik
wrote in from
United States
(66.171.nnn.nnn)
Wow Chris, I'm the owner of Alpha now, that's cool! You've foiled all my thinly disguised marketing plans, oh no! What a fool I was to use my real name in my deceptive postings. Duh. I suggest you do your research in a little more depth than a five minute perusal of their web site. You think perhaps there is more than one Erik in the world that skates? This kind of poor judgement is what has impressed me very little about your mumblings.
Yeah, I know some of the folks over at Alpha. I've tested some of their trucks too. I suppose that makes me a shareholder as well? Hey, if I posted that I liked plastic boards would that make me Erik Nash. How about if I posted that Supra shoes have good soles, would that make me Supra's owner, Erik Ellington? In that case, man, there are a hell of a lot of 'skate company owners' posting to forums out there.
Anyway Chris, I think you've managed to 'cha-put' your foot in your mouth and have successfully steered the topic from trucks to your idiot opinions about how street skaters don't turn. You know Chris, let's compare how much street skaters turn versus racers. Take an example tight slalom, the sharpest you're going to be turning, cone distance 2 meters (about 6 feet), and cone width of say 1 foot. If you assume your trucks are even a whole foot wide, at best you're making whopping 18 degree turns at a 10 foot turn radius. If a street skater took 10 feet to carve away from traffic after rocking some set of stairs he'd be flat. Hmm, I'm not seeing your argument. Maybe you could upload a CAD image to show me how street skaters don't turn.
Oh, please please stop with the flawed car analogies. They are rediculous. Drag racers don't turn much, but neither do Formula One racers (I could fix the steering wheel slightly to the left and the car would go around the track in circles just fine).
You see pictures of people doing tricks in street skate mags and not pics of them turning because it's not very impressive to turn a skateboard--it's king of a prerequisite for doing tricks, you know?
Stick to racing Chris. Lord knows I'm going to stick to street once I can pull myself away from reading your hilarious postings here.
Thanks,
-Erik
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Unlimited Thinking vs Status Quo
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On 12/22/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Drag racers also turn. But compared to Formula One, I'd say that "drag racers don't turn". Yes, If you ride a street board and lean, it will turn. Yes, almost all trucks turn. But is that the main focus of a street deck - to turn? No. Look at a street magazine and what do you see as the main focus. Flip tricks. Ledges and rails. Do flip trick decks benefit from big soft wheels, cutouts, and risers? No. The small hard bushings are tightened down on an already low truck and hold (relatively) tiny rock hard wheels. If turn limiters were necessary in street skating, I guess everyone has had it all wrong for the last 20 years. Everyone would have them by now, right? It's not as if getting trucks to NOT turn is some kind of magic trick. Limiting a turn is limiting - and I don't like limits.
I looked at the AlphaSkate site and guess what? Erik is the owner. Do we really think that we're getting a real "review" on turn limiters here? I don't think so. I don't make a street truck. I have no reason to lie about my own personal experience with street trucks or turn limiters. I simply don't like them. I also think that they can be dangerous because of the false sense of security that they give a rider. I also hate dicking around with extra tools in order to adjust a truck.
I'm expressing my experience and my opinion on the subject. If you don't believe me or value my opinion, that's fine with me. It's your skin.
If you'd prefer, I'll produce and publish a nice little video showing how and when turn limiters fail. I'll be sure that everyone knows which brands that are known to fail, and I'll be sure to include comments from the manufacturer that conflict with the facts. A picture's worth a thousand words, and a video perhaps ten thousand. It would easy for me to clearly demonstrate my point.
And my point about wheels rubbing into fenders and and decks was about CLEARANCE, and not about jacking things up. That's why I mentioned using smaller wheels, wheel wells, cutouts, and cutaway designs - none of which jack anything up. And incidently, as a professional Slalom and Downhill skateboarder, and as a designer of high performance race equipment, I can tell you that often times the preferred deck height is HIGH, as opposed to low. These aren't cars. They are lean steer. You can get more downforce and leverage on high decks than you can on low CG decks, which tend to "push" in a turn and break traction sooner. I'm not afraid of racing a high board, and have ridden several to victory.
I keep an open mind to what works, and leave the rest for the kiddies. If my mind were closed, I sincerely doubt that you'd be seeing 80 unique wheels, unique bearings, unique mounting harware, unique bushings, and unique trucks coming from me. By deck choices have remained pretty basic. It's pretty hard to move me off of a good wood deck. Oh yeah, I like grip tape too.
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well well
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On 12/22/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
i passed on the initial controversy, i think the set screw limiter is kind of dumb, think about it, the set screws dig into/hit the kingpin early,pressure that would normally compress the bushing further now are transmitted straight into the kingpin,solid metal to metal,sounds like a problem in the making. I have succesfully converted more than a few "tight truck kids" into turners. You can see in videos; who steers and who doesn't, the turning "kids" are way more stylish and smoother looking, and often they can do things you can't do with tight trucks,pointing that out works.Tight truckers do get tired of snapping kingpins. Chaput seems to want a us and them attitude to prevail, it may be just his own.Looser trucks are a definite shortboard trend,this week,anyway. could be just my impression.
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loose trucks
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On 12/22/2006
slim
wrote in from
United States
(71.146.nnn.nnn)
Not to mention that even this year's Thrasher skater of the year, Daewom Song, rides his trucks very loose by any standards. The tight truck camp is large, but don't define street skating.
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turning
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On 12/22/2006
Steve C.
wrote in from
United States
(164.64.nnn.nnn)
Chaput, how can you say street skaters don't turn? You are pretty much stating a fact you know nothing about. Most of the top guys can carve and do. Steet skating is not linear, and trucks like Indys do turn. Maybe not like some of the stuff out there like origional or those silly carver trucks, but they turn. They can be ridden at speed and turn. I ride my short board with Indys in the ditches, are you saying I don't turn????? When I street skate I don't turn??
Lot's of trucks use antiwheelbite technology. Origionals for example have a point where they stop. Why is it so bad on a street truck??? It is a new approach to an old issue. I personally don't think that it is of much use in any arena. I ride my trucks loose and wheelbite is not much of a problem. I ride Indys, and they turn. I ride Randalls and they turn. I have ridden some other trucks and they turn too much. The fact is each person uses whatever he feels is correct for their style of riding. I personally like the feel of a somewhat dull turning truck. You have to drive them. But how can you say street skaters don't turn when you don't really know what street skaters do. It ain't all kickflips. Really, there is a lot more to it.
And Indys turn, regardless of what you think.
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Bitten
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On 12/22/2006 Erik
wrote in from
United States
(147.145.nnn.nnn)
Michael,
You are correct. I apologize for drawing conclusions on the NCDSA forum based on one user's remarks.
I browsed the pages of this forum before posting and it seemed to me that there was a lot of good discussion on various topics, which is why I posted about Alpha trucks' wheel bite stoppers. I was bummed out from the negativity I got from the posting.
Perhaps there is some animosity between the racing/slalom and street skating communities, although that's just theory. Honestly, skating in any form is skating, and no matter what type of skateboarding someone enjoys, they're cool in my book. ;)
Thanks,
-Erik
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