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Randal has been sold!!
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On 1/7/2007 M4RC10
wrote in from
Brazil
(201.15.nnn.nnn)
Sector 9 is the new Randal truck company owner...
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stims
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On 1/6/2007
fitz
wrote in from
Australia
(211.29.nnn.nnn)
I was lucky enough to trade my mate for a pair of green stims. Apparently they're pretty hard to find these days. Anyone know where please email me.
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black what?
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On 1/5/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
rads? those are tight 90a sort of maybe, that would be almost the same as my set up durometer wise, on paper,could be way different live and in person.also i made my trucks with sort of a compact bushing pocket,so they can be loose for quick swerves but on a deep lean, they sort of tighten up and stablize, a 40 degree truck leans deeper into a given turn than a steeper truck so it emphasizes this effect.
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bushings to speed
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On 1/5/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
let me think think a sec,, i have a pair of yella powell hardcore bushing in the back and a blue and yellow combo in front, on my favorite speedy set up, they're just a bit tighter than my usual spin test tightness, that's when i tighten my trucks i keep testing to see if i can spin the bushing, when i can't turn it by hand i go maybe a 1/4 turn tighter. i just cracked into the fiftys this year with a 51 mph run clocked by a friend with a late model car and claims to have really good judgement for this kind of thing, it felt pretty damn fast but smooth and absolutely wobble free, i wasn't going 50ish for very long, and i rarely point and tuck like that,though this new board is inspiring that type of riding. Anyway i sort of forget what the powell hardnesses are they changed them a bit when they went to all white urithanes and colored ends, i use thin adapting sleeves for my stepped and tapered kingpins.40 degree truck angles help i think.
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Wide bushings, speed
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On 1/5/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, Herbn, carving is still essential. As you know, I was the fool that noted Stimulators back a few years as my fave 'cruising' bushing. They, btw, fit better than Radikals do in most trucks, due to the smaller diameter at the top/bottom of the bushings; Rads sometimes need a little 'shave' to fit snug. Stims in Yellow are soft, something like 80A-82A, Greens were in two flavors, softer, and medium, maybe 85A? and 90A, while Blues were stiffer yet at 92A-ish. These are great as rear bushings in Slalom, btw. Rads come in a variety of duros, as C.C. noted below. A good combo for me, on a 'fast' cruiser/psuedo DH ride would be blue/red up front, cranked if need be, and green at the rear, not usually set very tight, but with wide washers. With Stims, it'd be Yellow/Green up front, and smaller washers; At the rear, Blue or stiff Green, but with Indy wide alum. washers or mid-large flat washers.
On many trucks, using NO lower washer can make fat bushings lean in deeper, and make them feel a few duro points softer overall. Also, using square-end Doh-Dohs or barrel Khiros as a top bushing can help 'tune' the degree of lean or overall tension feel.
For Taylor Hill, I'm thinking just Stiffer Overall, probably green Rads up front, black ones at the rear, and a good, long Prayer before dropping in.
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Large OD Bushings
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On 1/5/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(71.254.nnn.nnn)
Radikals have a bigger OD (1 1/8") than most other bushings which top out at 1". This makes them pretty stable at speed, especially in the higher duros (85a Blue, 90a Green, and 95a Black). I used to think that 1" bushings were undersized, but it's hard to get a bigger bushing to turn very quickly. This is bad news for front slalom trucks, and good news for slalom rears and downhill trucks. I've made some 1 1/2" OD bushings and they really only work well when they're either soft or loose or both. Bushings that are 1 1/8" or 1 1/4" wide really do make a noticeable difference.
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silverspace trucks
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On 1/5/2007 Mike
wrote in from
United States
(24.94.nnn.nnn)
I don't think theres any relation but there was a whole write up on the Silverspace trucks last year on Silverfish. As we say on the fish, "go to the trucks forum and use the search feature". Photos and specs, etc.
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not a big deal
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On 1/5/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
but how do radikal bushings make you any noticably faster. DO you still need to carve the hill a bit to avoid wobbles, are radikal bushings harder than what you run now?
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fibretec silver space 110mm trucks
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On 1/4/2007
Rick S
wrote in from
United States
(66.245.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone know anything about these trucks? There is a picture under the trucks option on the http://www.fibretec.ch/parts.html web site.
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the 'beast'
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On 1/3/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Fitz, that board, with 1/2" risers, running 72mm Mundos, puts my feet at 1-3/8" above the pavement at it's lowest point, about 2/5ths of the way along the length. It too is cozy at a good bit of speed, though I've yet to push it past 57 mph (Stratton's Taylor Hill, which luges at 68-70 mph). Once I've got some extra Radikal bushings, I'll go back there and see what it might actually be able to do (um, next summer, yeah)...
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re: baseplate options
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On 1/3/2007
fitz
wrote in from
Australia
(211.31.nnn.nnn)
Slim wrote:-
"Does anyone run a DH plate in the rear and R2 upfront, both with 180 hangers? I'm curious..."
Yeah I do.
Wedge the front aswell. Probably much the same effect as PSR's rocker beast.
I ride a 1 1/2" lowered board though.
Suprisingly very stable over 80km's without having to crank down the K/P nut.
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randall 2's....
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On 1/2/2007 heminick
wrote in from
United States
(71.106.nnn.nnn)
thank you for the tip slim, i will try that out!
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Randal baseplate combo
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On 1/2/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Slim, Yup, on my rockered DH I do use that baseplate combo, although with either 150 (with Flashbacks or Avilas) or 160 (with Manx or Mundos) hangers. This board is a bit different, though, as it's rockered deeply, kinda has a 'wedge-nose' (ala Bozi/Lanyatchz) profile, with a flat rear section (Kinda an elongated and inverted S-Camber?), so no wedges are needed with this truck set-up. It's heavily biased to front-end steering, as it's probably something like 60* Front, and 25* Rear.
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thanks for the advice
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On 1/2/2007 jason
wrote in from
United States
(65.244.nnn.nnn)
the input was awesome guys, thanks for all the adivce, I think I'm going to have a jay adams reissue with bennets and retro bertz... should be my most fun board!
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randal
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On 1/1/2007
slim
wrote in from
United States
(71.146.nnn.nnn)
Heminick, if you flip the 180 hanger upside down, it will give it negative caster and lower the center of gravity a bit and be a bit more stable. But to get a lot of stability I think you'd be best changing the baseplate out for one of the DH baseplates. Does anyone run a DH plate in the rear and R2 upfront, both with 180 hangers? I'm curious...
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Tracker/Bennett
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On 1/1/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Jason, I can't say much about the "New" Bennetts, but my 'old' Vectors (which I stupidly sold in '83) turned very nicely indeed. They were a bit quicker than Indy's were, not really stable in the transitions, but could hook you up for some nice lines in/out of the coping. Unlike the Trackers, they didn't need 'copers' to keep the kingpin from grinding and hanging up.
The Trackers are stable, and easily handle the compression in the tranny, but could in tight carves leave you with a not-so-nice line. You kinda had to plan for a straighter approach to the coping.
BTW, with new Trackers, Darts/RTS' are closer to Original Trackers in turning, whereas the Axis/RTX is closer to an Indy. Also, keep in mind that Trackers don't come with Copers anymore....
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bennets vs tracker
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On 1/1/2007 jason
wrote in from
United States
(65.244.nnn.nnn)
could anyone give me a breakdown on how the new bennets are going to feel carving and riding old school style in pools and parks compared to the trackers? i have a pair of gullwing mission 1's on my sector nine mini and i was wondering if a pair of bennets would help me carve harder and more fluidly, maybe get me some pumping action, or if id be better off sticking with the gullwings?
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randall 2 180....
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On 12/31/2006 heminick
wrote in from
United States
(71.106.nnn.nnn)
i am just curiouse, is there any way to modify randall 2 180 trucks to be a lower CG, or be much more stable on fast downhill runs? anything like shorter kingpin or what? any explanations and or tips would be very appreciated!
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dh trucks
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On 12/31/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
1) Randal DH pick the truck with dh in the title,that's a sort of safe bet,these things do not turn very much with 35 degrees turning angle,even when totally loose, they merely "swerve" a bit, careful pushing off,while getting used to them you can get off balence,and not be able to turn quickly enough with one foot on the board to regain balence,very embaressing. They may be a bit tall, for me a drop through board with randal dh's is the way to go, with commercially available trucks. 2) i like trackers,184's 45 degrees of steering they feel fairly "normal" and not that likely to wobble on a longer wheelbase,i'd bolt them into pockets on a homade board or between the beams on a beamer style construction. 3) randal r2 really good at speed, they steer at 50 degrees, they are more stabile than i really expected them to be with that turniness,taller than dhs', drop through even with lowering pads(risers on top) 4) Indy 169's, if you like indys for going fast, you may just as well stick with them,if you use them on your park boards and want to keep some sort of familiarity oh alright if you must,215's are next down,to me they are more leveraged and actually seem to be more likely to wobble because they sort of magnify any slop in the pivot/bushings. Chaput's flows may skoot straight to the top of the list when they come out, depending on price,with different geometrys available i would be incline to pick a combo that averages out to 40 degree's for going fast 45/35 40/40 50/30 the first number being the front truck.
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DH TRUCKS
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On 12/30/2006
GCR
wrote in from
Portugal
(84.90.nnn.nnn)
Hello guys...sorry about my noobish questions but i´m a newcomer to DH skateboarding!
I´m making my own board now, from a "enough stiff" piece of wood, and i wanna make of it a DH board!It will have 40", think is a good size, and all i am thinking now is about wich trucks will i mount.
I read a lot about Randall 180...think they will work perfectly if i mount them drop thru, to get a lower center of gravity!
But what should i think of an Independent 215 mm trucks...i know that they dont have as much kingpin angle as the Randall, but aren´t they also used by some speedriders??I saw some pics of some riders in races and i think there we´re a few on indy´s...
I don´t pretend to be world champ of DH, just want some large trucks that give no wobble...
Thanks for your precious help
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Sidewinder speedwobble solutions
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On 12/29/2006
awlms
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(200.88.nnn.nnn)
Sidewinders and speedwobbles?? No problem. All you need to do to get the speed stability of a normal Gullwing type truck is to reduce the effect of insert, which with the extra pivot and bushings, gives the Sidewinders the hyper turning abilities. If you freeze or lock this insert in place you basically have the functioning of a regular 2 bushing truck. The easiest way to do this, is as follows:
1. Remove the kingpin nut on the insert. 2. Add a large bushing washer--the same washers used on all 1" LOWER barrel bushings---to the smaller washer already installed on the truck insert. You now have an insert with a small washer to retain the top bushing and a larger washer on top to make contact with the mounting collar on the insert. 3.Tighten the insert down hard and it is locked in place, restricting about 80% of the inserts flexibility-- so, pretty much only the hanger will be providing the turning capabilities. Also, for normal carving/pumping etc., the additional washer can be left in place, and loosened significantly according to the turning desired.
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Randal 160 DH
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On 12/27/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Noob, Slim has it right. I'm only gonna add that the differnce in baseplates between the DH and R-2 is a Lot, like 20 degrees (Dh's being 30*, R-2's being 50*), so for most longboard applications, you're looking at using wedges that're steep (12* to 15*), like Khiro's. Maybe consider getting their 'rail wedge' kit that Racers use, as that'll let ya dial the steering just so..
Getting the R-2 bases makes a lot of sense here, even after getting wedges, though you may find that they'd be fine setup nearer to flat.
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Dh trucks
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On 12/27/2006
slim
wrote in from
United States
(71.146.nnn.nnn)
The Randal DH trucks have a lower angle than the R2 (i.e. 180, 150) since they are designed more for high speed stability than low speed carving. So if you want to use them for "general longboarding", you're going to want to wedge them quite a bit so that their geometry becomes similar to the R2. You'd probably want to even wedge the back, but try just the front first. The rear, if left unwedged, will be really stable for bombing hills.
Another alternative is to get some extra R2 baseplates and use the DH hangers with them. Then when you want a stable deck, you coud use the DH baseplates. You'd be ready for anything.
Now back to our regular programming...
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Randal dh
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On 12/27/2006 noob
wrote in from
United States
(68.217.nnn.nnn)
If I could divert the argument for a question that you guys could probably help me with. I've got some randal dh trucks I bought for super cheap from a friend. I want to set up a longboard with these. Should I wedge both or just the front. I guess I should probably change the bushings, should'nt I. Will these downhill trucks work good for general longboarding if set up properly? Any help would be appreciated for this longboard newbie. Thanks
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Kahalani Trucks
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On 12/26/2006
2-ro
wrote in from
United States
(72.199.nnn.nnn)
ok luis thanks for the info. for sure ill be looking out for these trucks.
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