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Campus Racing
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On 7/31/2007 speedo
wrote in from
United States
(71.55.nnn.nnn)
Brady....Randal bushings are fine. Red Indys/Khiros are an upgrade. Soft Stims do well, as well.
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Campus cruiser Pistol
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On 7/29/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Brady, you can use Khiro barrels easily. The extra height you might need for the lower bushing, just add a large Fiber washer (3/8" ID, 1" OD) under the lower metal washer (dosen't rattle that way) to shim in the missing height. I'd go with Orange/Blue combo up front, Red/Blue at the rear (maybe Yellow/Red?).
Dewedge that rear truck, or use a 30* DH baseplate, just to give it some stability. Maybe a small amount of wedge up front? You did say 'cruiser', not a racer, so don't go too twitchy/nimble.
I've heard that Randal's new bushings are pretty good (haven't been on them much yet), and also Paris trucks have an hourglass bushing that looks nice.
Your Radikals could work too as is. I'd say at least try 'em. Or, you can turn them down in diameter by sticking them on a kingpin (wrapped with a layer of maskingtape), put the bushing over the taped end, chuck the kingpin into a drill, and use a bastard file to shave the outside diameter (notched like a Stimulator to fit the hanger better), or shape it into a conical bushing. This takes about 7-8 minutes a bushing. Not sure you'd want to go to the trouble, but it might be quicker than mail-ordering new parts? I've had good luck with re-shaped Rads for Slalom, and they'd be great for cruising, and pumping.
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RII 150 revamp
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On 7/28/2007
Brady Mitchell
wrote in from
United States
(74.225.nnn.nnn)
I have a pocket pistol foamie 36" I`m setting up as a campus cruiser for my daughter. I have the 150`s but the bushings are shot. Too much slop and no center return. What bushings do you guys recommend (I have some Radikals) or should I try another truck?
The goal is to have a lightweight campus cruiser that turns and is somewhat stable, as there are hills at the University of Florida campus.
Wheels are Pink seven-o`s 70mm.
BTW, the board was painted hot pink by my neighbor who has a body shop
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Evanc's Truck woes
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On 7/28/2007 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(65.122.nnn.nnn)
Evan, in regarding your Revenge trucks, I'm sure they were mounted backwards, and also I'd bet some $ that the shop that set them up is a "heelflipper" shop where noone actually rides anything but a popsickle/techno setup(and usually approx 1/3rd to 1/2 of the shop workers don't really skate either - but they know how to "look" like skaters- whatever that is).
I agree, there is no such thing as a production truck with "inverted geometry" as the intended use. If it steers "wrong", the truck is mounted backwards.
So, unless the owners/workers ride non-popsickle(ie - downhill, slalom, longboard,etc), never assume they know anything other than setting up techno popsickle sticks. Nothing against that form of skating and I do dig watching it and respect anyone who can do it, but the shops that cater to techno rarely are knowledgeable about anything outside of that.
Good Luck and welcome to the club - P
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revenge vs sidewinder
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On 7/28/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
william, its a matter of taste,
I tested revenge briefly, I like my sidewinder better,
I got an exkate with shaved bushing that feels like an revenge,
a exkate frt and randal rear is a fun setup,
but right now I am hooked on my sidewinder..
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Phyre Trux
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On 7/27/2007 Pac Man
wrote in from
United States
(76.230.nnn.nnn)
Has anybody seen these trux yet?
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Revenge Trucks Vs Gullwing Sidewinders
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On 7/27/2007
william
wrote in from
United States
(71.108.nnn.nnn)
I was taking a look at the Revenge Trucks and I was wondering if they are any better the the sector 9 Gullwing Sidewinders. Can any of you guys answer this for me.
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fussion
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On 7/27/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
just fuse the frye truck thread into the backasswards truck bolting thread,with two kingpins my bet is that they'll be the most backwards mounted truck,although initially they'll sell to perhaps a more savy segment of the skating population. flip a coin, or low kingpin towards the end.
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Killer Kush
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On 7/26/2007
k-lee
wrote in from
United States
(71.222.nnn.nnn)
Stock GK bushings are garbage, unless you get some of the AXLII trucks. Then you get the new Killer Kush bushings stock. These are dual duro bushings similar to Bones Hardcore. I've ridden Bones (both the new whites and the old colored), Khiros (inserts, barrels, bi-otches), and I personally like these new Killer Kushes better than any of those, by far. I put these in some of my 9" Thunderbirds, and the trucks came alive! They feel even better now than they did when I had medium green Stims in them. Go figure. Kinda pricey though:
http://www.grindking.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=112
It's too bad they don't list the duro, or even come in multiple duros. I guess I'm just lucky that they work perfectly for me as is. It seems like they have a wider range of stiffness, and respond really well to kingpin adjustment. By that I mean that the can go from borderline floppy loose to fairly tight with just a few flicks of the wrench. I would recommend them as an upgrade for any Grind King trucks.
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Grind Kind bushings
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On 7/26/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Grindie, what HC says is spot-on. I'd only add that if you're crushing the current bushings, look into going a few duro points harder with both top + bottom bushings. Mix and match, too, just to get it 'set right'.
I often run stiffer bushing at the rear truck to better deal with coping moves while in manual mode. Khiros are damn good, only losing 'bounce' in the two hardest duros (black+purple). Doh-Dohs as a bottom bushing may have better rebound above 95A? Tracker Superballs are good in softer duros (92a or less), but Khiro has a better conical top bushing (with two heights avail. too). Bones Hardcores have great rebound at all duros, but might not work as well as a bottom bushing as a 'barrel' shape, as the 'conical' profile makes for more leaning action.
Bushings are the best buy in performance upgrades, and can make a mediocore truck great, or a great truck seem like total crud. Take some time, sort this out with just a few different bushing combos. Pay attention to what you Feel, and also to how much adjustment range you get from any given combo of bushings. Ideally, you should be able to use a few turns of the wrench to go from carving to bombing to ramp/streetstyle.
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insert top bushings.
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On 7/26/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
grindie, i never tried grind king, but I had this similar problem with indies in the past.
The solution is to use powell or khiro insert TOP bushings, it will make it pop back to center.
hope this helps...
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grind king adams
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On 7/26/2007 grindie
wrote in from
New Zealand
(219.89.nnn.nnn)
i've got a set, it seems the bushings are rubbish, gottem cinched right down, still get wheel rub, and they have no memory (they stay where they are when turning), do'nt seem to bounce back like indys or randalls.
is it the truck geometry itself or crap bushings? do they break in over time? they are super light though, wanted a light set up.
any clues/suggestions for a remedy? can swap em out for indys but i'd like to give em a decent try first
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chaput
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On 7/25/2007
hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
alright, enough of backward trucks .... ;-)
chaput, are we ever gonna see a liquid or fyre?
We don't need any more new wheels ;-)
oh, a little bird told me that you got another strange truck in the works...
got pics??
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both trucks backwards
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On 7/25/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(208.5.nnn.nnn)
Chris, it'll turn, but you'd not likely stay on it!
For giggles, a friend of mine did that to his "friend's" board. We sat back and watched when he picked his board up, and tried riding down the walkway. Hilarious! Nowadays, a prank like that would get me Sued, but it was worth the laughs then. ;-)
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Keep it simple
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On 7/25/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.74.nnn.nnn)
It doesn't matter what type of truck that you have. Just hold it in position at one end of the board and press down on a wheel. If the wheel angles down toward the middle of the board (as opposed to the end of the board) then the truck is on correctly. The only thing left to remember is that the truck at the other end of the board should face the opposite direction, mirror reflecting the first truck.
I'm not sure what happened to this guy's board, but if you the front truck was on correctly but the back truck was on backwards, strange things would happen. I don't even think that the board will turn if you have BOTH on backwards.
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backward
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On 7/25/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
in a rush, i would mount seismics backward,
the logo to the "inside" throws me off...
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Oops, leaning wrong...
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On 7/25/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Dave, maybe the truck companies need to add a little tag; "Newbie Schoolers Alert, this truck mounts THIS WAY". ;-)
I still have to watch myself with slapping Radikal Dragon's Tails, if I'm hurrying, I'll put them on bassackwards 25% of the time. Doh! 8-D
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truck design
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On 7/24/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
step back and look, tehnicly the kingpin on indys and randals points the same way,randal does angle just a bit more,it happens to cross the plane of the pivot,and at a 90 degree angle,inside the area of the truck. Specifics like how much weight is carried by the pivot:kingpin, are all minor by comparison to determining which way the truck is gonna turn when you lean left. On a torsion truck the pivot is still pointed the same way, it just happens to be a bolt,no kingpin design they just tension the turning around the pivot,Seismic has a bolt as a pivot also,guess what,it's pointed the same way as the pivot on an indy...even a truck molded out of urithane will have a fairly obvious pivoting angle and it lines up with any other trucks'pivoting angle. When it comes around the very specific turning /rolling needs of the advanced skater i guess all the truck designs are very different.
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Reversed..or Progressive?
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On 7/24/2007 Dave G
wrote in from
United States
(71.164.nnn.nnn)
The silly and naive question (or statement) just goes to show you how quickly this sport is growing!! I'm not being sarcastic, the influx of newbies that need a hand(or head) on assembly/tweeking vs. complete set-ups is a good thing ..I think
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turning
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On 7/24/2007 todd c
wrote in from
United States
(68.123.nnn.nnn)
herbn - yes the pivot cup is in the same place, and pointed in the same direction. That's where things take a turn. (pun). Therr are basically 3 types of trucks I think.
Exkate type - even angled rotation. (45 degree kingpin- high fixed rotation)
Randall - even angled compression. (50 degree kingpin.)
Conventional - twist from two angles. (45 degree)
3 very similar turning degrees. Very different turning methods. And feel.
Kingpin angle and duty, varies greatly in these designs. But yeah, pivot cup and pointing still remains the same.
If that matters.
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truck geometry
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On 7/24/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
calling "randall geometry" backwards,reverse or even different is misleading. The kingpin is not the important angle,it doesn't determine the direction a truck will steer,it controls the tension/centering action of the steering. The pivot angle is the thing and all trucks pivot on a steering axis that is pointed the same direction. The "randal geometry" lines up the bushings perpendicular with the angle of the steering,it's the consistant compression of the bushings that seems to make things better,the twisting action of a regular truck geometry must create higher leverage ,axle movement in the center of a trucks turning arc,that compresses the bushings very little.
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revenge trucks
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On 7/24/2007
evanc
wrote in from
Canada
(24.138.nnn.nnn)
i didn't know much about the trucks, the skate shop just said tht they were the newest best thing to hapen to turning so i tried it out and they installed them for me. i figured that they would know which way to put them on, and perhaps inverted turning was the future? haha. them being on backwards makes a lot of sence, my friends and i have thought of that being the problem before but figured that the skae shop that sold them to me wouldn;t have put them on the wrong way.
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inverted turning
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On 7/23/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
perhaps he accidentally got the australian version, things in the southern hemisphere turn in the opposite direction.... All trucks have
"opposite turning" if you put them on backwards,indy's as well.
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revenge trucks
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On 7/23/2007
k-lee
wrote in from
United States
(71.222.nnn.nnn)
Sounds like you had them on backwards. I don't think there's a single truck in production that's supposed to have "inverted turning".
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kidding?
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On 7/23/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
when you lean left, they turn right?
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