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made in china
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On 8/16/2007
hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
speedo, actually I am waiting for the fyre, would like to ride a truck than I can go off a curb without thinking twice about it. (do like the ride of a radikal though)
If chaput have his fyre made in china.
do you think people would have a problem with it?
nobody seem to complain about dan's chinese seismic anymore.
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Foreign sourcing
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On 8/16/2007 speedo
wrote in from
United States
(71.55.nnn.nnn)
Even if the Chinese COULD clone Radikal...I wouldn't buy them. Save up!
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cloning
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On 8/15/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
Slim, good you point that out. Would like to tour the Indy factory someday.
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I was reading the September isssue of Popular Science.
They have an article "Clone Home - art of copying" about China's cloning capability. Where things get copied from cars to iphone.
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indy
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On 8/15/2007
k-lee
wrote in from
United States
(71.222.nnn.nnn)
...but I bet all of their soft goods are made overseas. And I bet they sell more soft goods than hard goods. Not that it's relevant to the discussion at hand, but just a thought that popped into my head when I read slim's post. Carry on...
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not ALL trucks
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On 8/14/2007
slim
wrote in from
United States
(75.61.nnn.nnn)
"Other than a few of the machined trucks, ALL trucks are "outsourced" in the same way Force does"
Huh? Not "all". How can one forget the truck that outsells every other brand of truck just mentioned, probably by at least ten times, and is made in house, right here in San Francisco?
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a copy of a copy?
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On 8/11/2007
hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
Saw this on silverfish,
apparently someone spotted a force R7 clone on ebay.
(no link due to posting guideline)
lush c7 (another force clone?)
http://www.lushlongboards.com/index....oducts_id=2190
posted on silverfish by Ebasil, (refering to the ebay truck)
"Those ARE Force Trucks... or at least the most direct ripoff possible. Let me explain:
--Those are produced in the same factory that makes the Force trucks.
--They use the Force baseplate, Kingpin, Bushings and Washers.
--The hanger mold was modified to take off the Force name.
--They sell on the dock in Los Angeles for less than one Force at wholesale.
--They work exactly like a Force, since they are a Force.
We first saw these well over a year ago, and notified Force. Force never responded.
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There is an important distinction between the "Angel" trucks (that's what the importer calls them) that knock off the Force, and the Urban Blue that knock off Randal.
The Urban Blues were created by taking a mold of a California-made Randal, straightening out the holes, grinding off the logos and then manufacturing it with better processes in China. It was predatory conduct by a Chinese firm that had no relation to Randal Fuller, knew there was no trade protection and saw a market. The Angel trucks are produced by the very same factory that contracted with Force to produce their design. They use all the same components, exactly, other than the hanger (which is only modified and still uses the same axle). In this case, the manufacturer had a direct relation to Force, but went for it anyway. Stories like this out of China aren't as rare as one might hope. The owners of Revenge apparently had to deal with a similar issue they were able to nip in the bud. Holey trucks are also made in China.
Now, as to why they cost less than a Force does, here? Well, Force are sold at manu/wholesale to an Aussie company, shipped to Australia, then sold at retail/wholesale to vendors who pay for shipping to them, then marked up and sold retail. The Angel truck gets sold direct at manu/wholesale and shipped direct to San Pedro (LA Harbor). Layers of shipping and markup are removed.
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Other than a few of the machined trucks, ALL trucks are "outsourced" in the same way Force does. Randals are made at a SoCal factory that produces several other brands. Tracker-family trucks are cast at a contractor (assembled in-house). Holey, Force, Paris, Fury, Revenge, Exkate, and more are made in Asia."
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btw, I am just a consumer...
I am waiting for a knock off radikal for $50.... ;-)
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x-celerator
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On 8/10/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
http://grandprixskateboards.com/ssusp.html
leaf spring....
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vaporware
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On 8/9/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
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somehow, not available for sale, and no video demonstration....
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magnetic trucks
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On 8/9/2007 Sam of NY
wrote in from
United States
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how about someone buys a pair and tests them out, and if they work... stick the concept in a downhill truck.
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slo lam
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On 8/8/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
with a sign on like master debater, can this be a typo? maybe magnetic griptape could help poor circulation in your feet,like charged cones that get out of your way with out falling over,the future is bright.
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Magnetize this
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On 8/8/2007 I am positive
wrote in from
United States
(64.128.nnn.nnn)
I think they only work if you are headed towards a giant hunk of iron.
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magnet truck
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On 8/8/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
I don't know much about magic magnets,
but that things sounds to good to be true
http://skateboardturbotrucks.com/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHffliC2whk
(magnet wheel)
I say ban it from slalom! ;-)
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discuss amongst yourselves
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On 8/8/2007 master debater
wrote in from
United States
(75.89.nnn.nnn)
magnetic skateboard trucks
to get things started, should they be allowed in slolam races?
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strokers
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On 8/6/2007
hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
john scott, check out my page for some pics.
http://www.geocities.com/wackyboards/
herbn, whatever happened to hughR's site?
Herbn, how does your stroker setup feel at speed.
all the deep leaner, exkate, revenge, original gets wiggly at speed, sidewinder behaves better than the above three, but not as good as an r2.
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strokers
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On 8/6/2007
john Scott
wrote in from
United States
(68.119.nnn.nnn)
Herbn, how bout some pix of those strokers you made! Got a buddy that has a set still in the bags they shipped in 30yrs ago. Needless to say he wont open them and let us fondle. Some pix would bring back a few memories to alot of people I'm sure.
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favorite sharp turning trucks
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On 8/6/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
I made a set of strokers, about 9 inch axle width with everything scaled up,i have it set up with cherry bombs, a thin flexy v lam,deck with total wheel clearence,at about a 33 inch length ,it can turn 180/360 in about 6 feet.This board,after a long rest, is back in my car.i can pump it up and down a double width sidewalk,i mean literally,pump along, make a u turn ,and pump back. I don't know if this is exceptional on this page but i've tried other peoples slalom boards and nothing nothing drives forward like my strokers.
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sidewinder
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On 8/4/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
Herbn, sector9 have three completes with sidewinder, only one is a flush drop.
Since I got a bunch of decks and wheels, I probably would never buy a complete just to get the truck. Other companies does this too, RTR, Thruster, Carver (in the beginning I believe).
I bought my sidewinder off ncdsa and mount it on an arbor fish pintail. Since its a narrow pin, there was no need for risers or wheel wells. The height was just slightly higher than a randal.
It feels nervous at speed (but better than other tight turning trucks)
I gonna try a randal rear this week, to slow down the rear.
Anyways, still my favorite tight turning truck for now.
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marketing
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On 8/4/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
hhmmm,those double bushing trucks put quite a bit of leverage on the board,the sector board is pretty thick to resist overflexing,it's easier just to make x number of boards and x pairs of trucks. The double trucks are really soft with the top mounting in regular mounting maybe wobbles are really a problem,since drop through decks are pretty rare trying to sell the trucks seperate may not be worth it. Although i think that sector deck with a pair of indys on it might be really cool,i think you gotta grind wheelwells in it anyway, the double jointed trucks seem to rub pretty easy(i have one at my shop)what's the goal double double action trucks on a kebbek or a brandx?all drop though decks i know of are speed boards, sidewinder trucks at speed,test carefully,buy body armour.
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Sidewindled
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On 8/4/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Matt, from what I've been able to derive, Sector 9 and Gullwing have come to an agreement, which means that You, must either buy their 'Package' boards with Sidewinders, or, find some Other means of getting those trucks. IMHO, this ain't quite right, But, it's well within Their rights to market this truck with only a few board/wheel complete combos. I'd say screw the mooch, and BUY their piggin' product, USE their NAME, and SELL the SECTOR deck/wheels with another NAMEBRAND truck on it on the good ol' Ebay. Then take said Sidewinder Exclusive Trucks, and slap them on YOUR stick, with Your Choice of wheels, and go RIDE. Who knows, all that HASSLE might put YOU on a better ride?! Nah, that'd PROVE the Marketing Lawyers WRONG, wouldn't it? That can't Happen, not here in the good ol' United Corporate States of Americas...
Yeah, even the Lawyers have been Wrong for 40 years!! Polititians are only barely aware.....
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doubletruck
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On 8/3/2007 matt
wrote in from
United States
(76.110.nnn.nnn)
i cant find the sector 9 sidewinder "doubletruck" any where except on the s9 deck these trucks are amazing but im not that into sector 9
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Randal Geom/ Carver
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On 8/3/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Herbn, 38*, 40*, or 42*, Any would be fine. You know I play with wedges a lot, seems that near 40* with a Randal style truck is usually pretty sweet combo of speed stability and turniness. 50* is twitchy at above 30 mph, and 30* (DH baseplate) dosen't quite get turny until 30 + mph, yet I find I'm 'cruisin' often in that 25-35 mph bracket. Maybe it's just the slant of local terrain?
;-)
HC, that was a fascinating look at Carver trucks! Man, they went thru some prototypes! Solid-modeling software wasn't at hand, eh?
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wishful jrandal updates
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On 8/3/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
why 38? i just go with a nice round 40 degrees. I wish for a larger straight version of a grind king axl axle,except the flat part in the middle goes around the kingpin/between the bushings. An ultra low cutaway board only truck.
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carver
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On 8/2/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
just saw their new updated page
http://www.carverskateboards.com/history/
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Details, indeed.
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On 8/1/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, Herbn, I noticed the kingpins, the better finished washers (no jagged edges), better bushings, and even smoother, harder pivot cups. This is all good stuff to see, as it means Randal is watching the competition, and stepping it up a bit. Needed still are closer-to 8mm axles, straighter baseplate holes, a '130'mm hanger, a 38* baseplate, maybe some "bling" polishin' or color anodizing, and the kingpins flipped. Still, Randals today are better than they were 2-3 years back. I'm always hopeful.. ;-)
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randal details
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On 8/1/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
took apart a new randal the other day,to install a very special kingpin idear of mine,and noticed that randal hasn't been totally asleep ,the king pin had very minimal number of threads,good for strength ,good for inverted use,doesn't oval out the baseplate hole,well ,not as quick anyway.
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