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pervert
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On 9/27/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
http://www.pervertkingpin.com
kingpin removal and installation.
btw, pvd also have a jig he made for kingpin removal
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need to be very specific
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On 9/26/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
you didn't mention your weight and anybody reading can only guess that you're a bit of a beginer. What does carving mean? i guess it's faster than flat land 5-20mph,could be 20,30,35 i guess 40 goes into bombing for most folk,if you're carving 40 plus monster hills,i doubt you'd be asking about what trucks to use,you whould probabely already have a preference. Seismics come pretty loose these days and getting new springs is probabely a bit of a project,but i think their major option is the geometry, they come in 30 and 45 degree turning angles, if you want to use them for fast carving use 30 front/30 rear, the most common set up is 45 front/30 rear,and responsive 45/45.
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Help
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On 9/25/2007
Guy
wrote in from
United States
(75.85.nnn.nnn)
I am new to longboarding and I really want to get seismic trucks. What type springs should i get in the front and back if I am looking for a type of board that I can carve with without losing the control of flatland cruising.
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Landyachtz
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On 9/24/2007
Eddy Texas Outlaws
wrote in from
United States
(70.115.nnn.nnn)
A BIG THANK YOU goes out to Carly from LANDYACHTZ. I was seeking some imfo on some trucks and she had a lot of knowledge and insight on how good and how well the trucks I was interested in performed. Too Cool. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws/Pavel Flow
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Carving and Bombing
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On 9/24/2007
K-Rimes
wrote in from
Canada
(64.59.nnn.nnn)
The best I have found for all around carving and bombing is a 200mm JimZ on his 35 degree plates. I prefer them to be mounted drop-through and lowered, like a Rayne Demonseed and using wheels that are more slippery than grippy. I'm able to ride it like a snowboard doing standup drifts, slides, and the control you can achieve through that is amazing.
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axcelspring
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On 9/24/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
saw this on noteworth in CW...
http://www.axcelspring.com/axcelspring-website-GALL.html
something about suspension action for the trucks,
info is vague on the site...
anyone know more?
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new randal
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On 9/20/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
M4RC10, I haven't seen them,
herbn, I think Randal is more worry about all these current guys that 'cloned' the R2 without giving him any credit...
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new randals
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On 9/19/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
i don't think the chinese would copy the new randals,they don't know if they're gonna sell,it's a risk they wouldn't take,they don't have to take that risk,the old ones sell just fine they're set up to copy them,and the first generation of randal customers that want the new ones are also the people that wouldn't buy a knock off, at the level that the chinese(or whoever) are selling randal knockoffs,copys the customer doesn't even really know what their buying,just some "trunks" that hold the wheels onto their new long skateboard that all their friends say is the new cool thing that all their friends have and they need one too.I think they're still making knockoffs of indys stages 1 through 5(maybe) i don't think they're gonna copy indy kostons' anytime soon.
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Daniel's progressive truck design
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On 9/17/2007
DaveL
wrote in from
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Daniel, I want the truck action that you've been describing. My torsion trucks are astonishing and I can't go back to regular trucks, but I'd like to have your variable rate steering trucks so that I can carve part way down a steep hill and then bomb the last part of it with excellent stability. Another important feature to me is the build-up of resistance with board lean. If stability of your truck design comes from the variable steering rate, then perhaps the stiffness adjustment can be used to set the right feel, the right resistance to lean in turns. It will be interesting to hear about your prototypes.
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hc
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On 9/17/2007 M4RC10
wrote in from
Brazil
(201.15.nnn.nnn)
Thanks hc... Have you seen them??
Do you have any more details about them for us??
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new randal
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On 9/15/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
M4RC10, read on the fish that the new randal were shown but pics weren't allowed.
prototype?
i don't know why the secretcy, but I am itching to know what randal got up his sleaves...
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geometry of reg trucks
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On 9/15/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
i think the way a "double action truck" does that variety of turning geometrys is sort of incidental, because of play or softness in the pivot a regular truck,indy/tracker leans a bit more on the angle of the kingpin at first ,then when the area of the pivot is compressed a bit, and it starts to slip the bushings become more compressed and the axle pivots around the pivot. Seismics and PVD's are more like a springloaded hinge with no play/less variables,the action of a really tight conventional truck will be dominated more by the bushings and make more out of the compressablity or slop of a conventional pivot. Geezer didn't mention randal or the top end bushing trucks with randal like geometry and or none compressable bearings in the pivot and or between the bushings. Randals probabely change their geometry a bit as they're turned,i'm done hypothesizing for now.
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Qestion about- Linear, or exponential.
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On 9/15/2007 Daniel
wrote in from
United States
(68.220.nnn.nnn)
I did not know that there were trucks that were exponential. The trackers are? I have not ridden them. I do not think they would be to the point that mine are. What I have done has no bushings or pivot cup, and they do not work as a torsion truck dose. They will have NO play at all in the first few degrees of tilt and then fade into as much as a turn that would do a three foot circle. (depending on board length of course) The geometry can be custom made to suit any rider by replacing one or two parts. You could, by changing out parts, have a perfect 30' or 45' truck Supper sensitive or very mild. I don't know what everyone else wants, but for me this is the holy grail of trucks. Again they won't be the lightest, but not the heaviest either.
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New RANDAL's
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On 9/14/2007 M4RC10
wrote in from
Brazil
(201.53.nnn.nnn)
Who has got any pics of the new Randal's seen at ASR???
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Linear, or exponential.
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On 9/14/2007
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(38.105.nnn.nnn)
Daniel.
What you're speaking of is a trait inherant in most things with steering. You're looking for fewer degrees of steering per degree of deck inclination close to center, increasing as you increase deck lean angle.
Programmable RC plane/helicopter transmitters refer to this as "exponential rate". You can vary this by plugging in a percentage. As RC planes grow ever larger control surfaces and deflections the need to desensitize control inputs near center becomes important.
A conventional "dual action" truck like an Indy or Tracker exhibits this trait. A "single action" truck" such as a Seismic or PVD doesn't.
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Stable caver
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On 9/12/2007
Daniel
wrote in from
United States
(68.220.nnn.nnn)
The truck would give you the best stability in the straights and a quick response in the turns, with a smooth transition between the two. I hope that these will not be much heavier than a standard truck. I will have to do some testing before I know for sure about the weight / strength ratio. I am playing with a way of incorporating a way of having the truck tip up as you go into a turn. I think this would give more of a lock into the straight ahead position, and allow a lower truck with full range a motion and no wheel bite. I think it would feel somewhat like a dropped board. This feature is still very much in the "playing with it" stage, so we'll see about it. It may turn out to be something that feels too strage.
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Carve and bomb...
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On 9/12/2007
Daniel
wrote in from
United States
(68.220.nnn.nnn)
I can not really share the design yet. I can say that unlike most trucks that when standing on the board holding it steady you can get some play out of the truck. You can steer the wheel a little while keeping the deck flat. With my truck the deck angle is locked to the steering. The steering may take a little getting used to. Starting with the deck flat, the first tiny bit of tilt would produce NO turn at all And then as you tilt more the geometry would go into a standard stable turning and then to quick turning. The transition is steady and flows from straight to a supper quick turning truck. maybe as sharp as a 50' truck would be. As I work on this I will be saving a few geometry progressions that you could choose from like changing the base plates on a seismic truck. This would only be to give a person the range they want, not something where you would need more than one to go back and fourth between.
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roadsurfer
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On 9/12/2007
hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
Someone posted about this truck on ncdsa a couple of years back.
I don't think this truck ever went into production.
If someone knows any info, like how it works? who the inventor is?
I finally got a chance to upload this to youtube...
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holy grail
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On 9/10/2007
hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
"Bombing and carving at the same setting!"
daniel, care to share more of your new design?
there's a lot of different ideas that's being done already.
I would like to try a radikal, jimz, or fyre set up loose for carving on a longboard.
anything that is turnier than a r2 and more stable would be a winner.
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re Daniel
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On 9/10/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
when you talked about the x skate's you didn't mention the stops, the feature that prevents wheel rub on big round "deck walking" shapes with anywheel up to about 70mm, i feel they hit to early . At low speeds cruising around in parking lots and such i like doing really tight turns and slamming into the bumpstops on the torsions really bugs me. You can grind the bumpstops down,they're still kind of tall,maybe with a dropped board and the bumpstops grinded down,they would work for me,maybe.
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Spaces
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On 9/9/2007
Daniel
wrote in from
United States
(72.147.nnn.nnn)
Oh, you can't have spaces? I am sorry, but I had this divided into sections that were easier to read, but it was all compressed into one big block. Oh well.
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Best carving trucks for me
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On 9/9/2007
Daniel
wrote in from
United States
(72.147.nnn.nnn)
I love carving and I have been through several trucks and this is what I think about the ones I have ridden- I used- Seismic 30' and 45'- Original 8 and 10" wide 101- Exkate med and soft bushings- Revenge- Carver- The randall knock offs with several spring tensions- the Gbomb bindings with several trucks- and the flowlab Nuclear Pickle. . My two favs would be Original and Xkate, with Originals a little more so, but they are a little more in cost. Original- I like a wider truck in a carving truck in general, so I like the S-10 a little more than The S-8. After getting used to them I also like the lighter springs. Then I hit on useing a med. in back and a light in front, as I have more wieght in back and when you come up on the rear wheels you want more spring strength. If you over tighten them instead of putting in stronger springs you will break the bushings, but when I did this they still worked very well. I love these trucks best of all. Exkate- These could almost be a tie for my first place, and if cost is a big deal for you they are lower priced, and almost as good. I am 180lbs but I like the softest bushings. If you are not used to quick turning trucks you may want to go with firmer bushings. I still like the Originals for there ease of going all the way to the full tilt of the truck and snapping back to straight. These have more of an increasing resistance as you tilt more and more. Some may like this better. The only other thing is that the originals seem stronger, but I have seen no sign of any problems with the Exkates. Revenge for some reason I did not like nearly as much as the Exkate. I do not know why as they are very similar in desgin I was exited about the Carver trucks, but they did not work at all for me. I did not like them at all. The action of the fron truck seemed erratic and did not seem to really give much of a sharp turn either. There seems to be a new generation now and I used the older one. Seismic- I think these are the coolest looking trucks. Oh how I wanted to like them! I tried two 45', and 30' in back with a 45' in front. I tried 5 diferent spring tensions. I tried them on several boards. They were wobbly, crunchy, and I just liked nothing about how they rode. Gear guys randall knock offs- I bought these to go with the Gbomb bindings. They were okay. But a bit siff for what I have become used to with my favs. They did not turn as sharp, and riding them lose they were wobbly. Gbomb bindings- I thought these would be the coolest thing ever, but I now see why an adjustable truck has not taken off. The problem was that when turned for stability they be come more loose, and turn them for sharp tuns and they become so stiff you can not tilt much more than normal. I tried them with several trucks, but to some extent you end up with the same problem. I will say that he company says to use the Randall R-IIs, but I don't see it would be any better. They are fun and look cool. They are great shocks for a board, and I still liked them, they just do not provide a lot of changes in turns. Some reviews have said they seem to be weak, but they seemed quite strong to me at 180lbs. Nuclear Pickle (flowlab)- This is my least like thing I have ridden. They are "adjustable", but it is not the angle it is the spring tension that is adjustable....and very slightly at that. I could tell no difference in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd settings at all. The board as a whole was the most unstable thing I have been on. I will say that I do not seem to like a dropped board for some reason. But this was the worst drop board I've been on. I did not break, but it really dose not look very sturdy, and I have read that concern in other reviews. For std. SK8 trucks.... I can't ride them anymore. I lean into a turn and fall over while the board goes almost straight ahead. And almost all of them seem to be almost exactly the same to me, outside of colour, cool name, and so on. I hope that is some help to some one out there. All of this has had me designing a truck that will be absolutely stable in the straights, and then have an accelerated geometry as you go into a turn. I do not know if anyone else will want this, but it's the holey grail for what I'd like. Bombing and carving at the same setting! They would be no heavier than some, but look a little odd, and provide a "tighter" ride, as there would be no play in them. I'll review them after I finish the prototype.
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new randle dh
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On 9/7/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
what i'd like to see, would be a randal dh with the axle moved to the other side of the bushings, as close as possible but yes on the "regular truck" side,no other modifications to the geometry at all. This would make the truck super low, for cutout boards only, but kind of close to trucks i've already made. I don't believe that changes in loading with the wide pivot to bushing distance is what makes the "randal design" resistant to wobbles, ithink it's the direct(un twisting) pressure on the bushings and maybe lining up the axle with the pivot axis, i think it's mostly the bushing thing,and of course the 35 degree pivot angle ,so a randal dh with this redesign would be excellent.
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tensor
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On 9/5/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
http://www.tensortrucks.com/conceptboard/
http://www.tensortrucks.com/gfx/cache/stillgallery/16/o.jpg
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what the street are doing
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On 9/4/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
just a bit of info from the other side, new tensor responce trucks seem to actually have closer tolerence axles,why randal and indy and who ever else is making trucks for us can't do this is beyond me,i just remembered that i should do a quick check on axle straightness, if those little punks can have a straight and accurate axle for a bit over twenty bucks i'll be pissed(not really ,well just a little) while i gotta machine for very numerous hours, they just plop down petty cash,grrrr. I saw the new brochures and looks like they're gonna do the magnesium thing (again) by christmas, if Tensor did a 9 or 9.5 axle in a magnesium hanger that was straight and close tolerence to 8mm bearings, they should have a good number of customers lining up from the long board market.
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