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Gullwing Phoenix
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On 4/21/2008
Buddy Rawls
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
to clarify about the original Phoenix versus the revised Phoenix. the original design was widely available. That was the truck that was sold. However, all of the sudden they started coming with the revised hanger, after the classic came out. So it is just as common to have revised as it is original. They weren't like a proto-type.
Also, for some reason, There were crap loads of Phoenix in England. No idea why! Some distributor over there muct have bought a HUGE number of the trucks.
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Gullwing Splits Protos
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On 4/21/2008 mad-rat
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(85.210.nnn.nnn)
Paul, no I dont have a set of Wasps. They always looked cool.
There was a set on Ebay about 2 years ago stuck onto a no name board. The seller didnt know he had Wasps on there.
It sold for next to nothing and I was out at the time.
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Gullwing Splits Protos
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On 4/21/2008
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(80.254.nnn.nnn)
Awesome... thanks for posting, Peter.
Have you got any Wasp trucks? I think they were a UK ripoff of the Gull Split.
There used to be a set in the pro shop at Rom, but since that got remodelled (about a year ago) the Wasps have vanished... only set I ever saw IRL.
Vintage Man: The original Phoenix that Buddy mentioned had been freely available at The Skate Shop (Poole, Dorset, UK) until recently. There's a lot of those about.
Pw
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Gullwing Proto-types
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On 4/21/2008
Buddy Rawls
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the picks of the GW proto-types. I am going to add it into my GW archives. Thats the first set I have ever seen that was actually not mounted on a board in an old (then era) photo. I never new the logo was embossed/molded/etc onto the hanger. I thought the proto-types had no markings whatsoever. The hollowed out based plate was an effort to kill some weight. It was milled out after the casting process.
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Gullwing Prototypes
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On 4/21/2008 mad-rat
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(92.233.nnn.nnn)
I have some Prototypes, or at least very very early Gullwings here.
These are the ones seen on the very first adverts for Quicksilvers by Powell. Those ads also showed the Quicksilver equiped with the first ever Powell wheel. It is clear red, but with a huge double radius. Basically it was a Bones cubic, but in clear red urethane, and in 1977!!
I have a set somewhere, I'll dig them out and photograph them.
These pics show the Proto Gullwings
Notice the engraving of HPG and IV on the flat back area of the hanger. Its hard to see in the photo.
Also notice the ribbed underside of the baseplates. All other Gullwings I've seen dont have this.
Peter
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Gullwing... bingo!
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On 4/21/2008
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(80.254.nnn.nnn)
Buddy, once again, thanks for the GW history lesson. I've got a pair of each Phoenix type, but always wondered why there were two different castings for the hangers.
I figured it was just one of those things. In the way that various Pro models (and later Super Pros) exhibit slight tweaks here and there (a gnarlier pivot shoulder on the baseplate, raised lugs where the plate is drilled for bolts, I could go on and on and on...). No I am not completely obsessed with Gullwing hehe.
Pw
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awesome gullwing collection pic
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On 4/21/2008
Buddy Rawls
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
You need to try to ad some first release style Phoenix to your collection. Those Phoenix pictured are the second release that had the hanger ends like the Pro-Classic. The first release had the ends like the split axle hanger (minus the axle nut). What happened was that wheels that had slightly recessed bearing (either by design or inconsistent pour depth) rubbed on the hanger. The revision was needed to kill some oc the hanger diameter out on the ends of the hanger. The hanger widths in both designs are identical. The signature gullwing slots or fins are a tad different also.
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E aí Luis
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On 4/20/2008 Jorge Sousa
wrote in from
Portugal
(88.157.nnn.nnn)
Como é , tudo bem ?
Por aqui tudo rolando .
Eu já tentei enviar email para oteu endereço (luis@fibretech.ch) mas a mensagem é rejeitada .O teu computador identifica o meu endereço como correio
não solicitado . Envia-me uma mensagem para jorge.sousa@endlesseyewear.com
poder que ao responder já consiga entrar .
Temos que falar sobre Peyragudes .
Abraço
Jorge
www.endlesseyewear.com o meu website
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cue the chessy porn music
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On 4/19/2008 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(71.255.nnn.nnn)
oh baby, ah yes, right there....i remembered my oldest question goes towards the size,size is usually fairly important in porn,how big are the men how big are the women, 77.5 was it always that or were there others? seems to me that if you mention a size it would be to much information if that was the only one size you could just call it the phase three,maybe they had plans? were there any prototypes, imagine a phase 3 82.5, or alas a phase three 100..oh baby don't stop....
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More sims porn
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On 4/19/2008
hike4it
wrote in from
United States
(66.205.nnn.nnn)
Here is some really good Sims porn for you sims collectors. Its the latest addition to the pig family
Aaaaah the elusive Sims Phase 3 Composit
Now you can enjoy your SAT night
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Vintage Man
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On 4/19/2008 Rob in VA
wrote in from
United States
(98.166.nnn.nnn)
David,
Great stuff as always!! Rob
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Vintage Truck Collection
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On 4/19/2008 Vintage Man
wrote in from
United States
(66.245.nnn.nnn)
Gullwing Truck Collection 1970s essentially or full completed!!
Any additional Gullwing models made 1975-79? 9" model I have seen.
Is it 1970s dated or 1980s?? The models are:
PRO Version 90 degree kingpin, First issue GOLD w/red bushings,
Very early issue CHROME HPG IV, and PHOENIX HPG IV....
ACS Truck Collection Gold and Chrome of each: 430, 500, 580, 650/651...
I don't know all the different issue dates. Interesting, I consider
about 90% of what you see, the trucks parts original to the truck.
But looking closely, one can see little differences in Bushings, Kingpins, baseplates, etc, in different issue years and trucks models...
Not sure the reasons or whys. YES in many cases it can be a kid changing stuff.... But like I said I consider about 90% of the trucks to be
original issue as to parts... I agree pictures coulda been better....
Bright Sunny California Day, cocktail in one hand and cave man working the
digital with the other... Well enjoy pictures and weekend to all...
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Hey Jorge Souza
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On 4/18/2008
luis lins
wrote in from
Switzerland
(83.77.nnn.nnn)
Hi my friend, how are you? send me a email luis@fibretec.ch
Its pretty easy to put a picture here, first this picture need to be online in the internet some internet address like www.site.com/yourpicture.jpg than after you only need to place here the address, its really important between this addres you put a simple html code like  .
Send me a email than i can help you my friend.
Te vejo em breve amigo, se cuida
luis lins
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Rollet
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On 4/18/2008 Jorge Sousa
wrote in from
Portugal
(62.28.nnn.nnn)
One of this days , when I now how to do it , I´ll post a pic
of a 73/74 Rollet Surf (Slalon aluminum skateboard).
Never saw a board like this in this forum .
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Why the 70's are so interesting
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On 4/17/2008 Bob Frias
wrote in from
United States
(69.143.nnn.nnn)
I agree with everyone here on most points. I was there as well and I documented this with my 74 pic. Alas, I couldn't get what would be available till a few years later when Ihad cracked the back wheel on my Black Knight and finally got the Fibreflex of my dreams. I coned those clay wheels out so much I remember being proud of the fact. Of course when that one rear wheel finally broke and ad no skater well things got downright upsetting.
I have a fine memory and i remember when NHS and Cadillac stuff came out. i live in massachusetts and NHS was not far away in Rhode Island. Ken Abbott sports had this great skate shop in a downstairs strip mall and when you walked down the staris the griptape smell would hit you square in the face. Three glass showcases had all the wheels and trucks of the day. Fibrefelx and Santa Cruz boards mounted on the walls as completes and decks only. Tracker, bennet and Gullwing trucks in the cases as well as OJ's, Road Riders and Powerflex wheels [among many others] helped create the smell of that place.
I've written this before but I got a new board that day [75???? 76???], Blue Fibreflex deck, Gold Gullwing Splits and RR 6's with Rad Pad [red] risers. I rode that board till things started getting wide. After that I bought TWO Santa Cruz Stinger decks. Those things were flimsy and I ended up breaking them both at thoseGod awful wheel wells. The I ordered a Alva Splash with 4 different colored Gyro conicals and Extracks from Val Surf. That board is gone today but when it comes to the 70's there is not an age yet that compares to the style, innovation and downright clevernees the skate companies had to earn our hard won paper route money.
Bob
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bandwagon
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On 4/17/2008
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
(128.158.nnn.nnn)
herbn, i already adressed that comment with "I guess I shouldn't have said " everyone always jumps on the bandwagon". But, the truth of the matter is there is so much mixing up of when things occurred in the 70's that when something is seen as old, it becomes 74/75 timeframe by default. Most of the time the equipment in question is in the 76/77 or even early 78 time frame. "
It was not intended for anyone in particular, its just something I have seen year after year, since an interest in old stuff has started to rekindle. And i know you all have experienced the same exact thing, when talking with people concerning skateboarding back then.
I won't say everyone, so I will say "many", want their latest find to be identified as a pristine piece of early skate history, and typically it ends up being a run of the mill later 70's piece.
Case in point, a local old guy around here positively identified his photo as 1974, when the board clearly was a solid wood kick with Gullwing split axles (even with support brackets) and Red 70mm Krypts.
I was there too, not quite as early (43), but I had a very keen interest in why things were changing and where things had came from. I have retained that character trait.
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what does that mean?
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On 4/16/2008 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(71.255.nnn.nnn)
"jumps on the "75" bandwagon" ? is that considered thee year to own in "antique" skateboards? in 75 i was 13 so i'm certainly not the oldest,i'd only been skating for a year or so,my first board was picked out of the garbage sometime in maybe 73 or 74,it was a clay wheeled ,loose bearing,chicago trucked,many times painted 60's board. In 75 i was riding a polished red banzai.Later in the year it got bennetts and roadriders,. I looked at an skateboarder i have,with the newark contest in it,and if you look at the pro's equipment it does vary a bit i think blackhart was riding a fairly pointy solid wood tunnel with a wedgetail and bobby valdez had his fairly rounded 8 ply powerflex.There were some fairly big jumps in equipment sometimes some companies don't usually get credit for advancements,a company called "macho" had a 9 inch "gordo" model before alva and dogtown had there wide boards,at least from a magazine readers point of view.
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41st (Tunnel) ad, more
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On 4/16/2008 GT from Norcal
wrote in from
United States
(69.3.nnn.nnn)
10-4, no offense taken, uusally I just sit back and read and am amused at the comments from some ot the youngsters. None was directed at you Buddy, just the "so called" experts who I am pretty sure they/you know who they are.
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41st (Tunnel) ad, more
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On 4/16/2008
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
(128.158.nnn.nnn)
GT Norcal, I guess I shouldn't have said " everyone always jumps on the bandwagon". But, the truth of the matter is there is so much mixing up of when things occurred in the 70's that when something is seen as old, it becomes 74/75 timeframe by default. Most of the time the equipment in question is in the 76/77 or even early 78 time frame.
I was not incinuating you said anything about incorrect dating of skateboarding. I was actually backing you up for your factual/documented representation of when the ad came out. I took the typical magazines flows and placed the equipment into the mid 76 time frame. None of that was directed at you, but rather at the commonly held views that old equipment magically becomes older than it was truly is.
As far as being in diapers (which I am assuming was directed at me), I was a teenager in the 70's and skated too.
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41st (Tunnel) ad, more
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On 4/15/2008 GT from Norcal
wrote in from
United States
(69.3.nnn.nnn)
I didnt "jump on a bandwagon", just relayed my PERSONAL experience and pulled a couple mags from the stack that I PERSONALLY PURCHASED and still have. Funny how most of you 'expert collectors' either werent born yet or were in diapers when some of us were riding clay wheels.
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41st (Tunnel) ad, more
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On 4/14/2008
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
(128.158.nnn.nnn)
GTNorcal wrote: "Went and pulled a couple of my Skateboarder mags from the stack and that particular ad appeared in Vol. 3, #1 October '76"
given that that mag may not have had it's very first appearance in Oct 76, and the the typical 2-3 month lag, for mag set-up and distribution, puts the bords and equipment in that ad in the summer of 76 time frame. Which jives very well with what was being ridden at that time.
Everybody always jumps on the "75" bandwagon (or even 74), but things in 75 were quite a bit more primitive in that single year prior. 75 was transition year, and 76 is where things really started jel together.
what people do not sit back to think about is the time frame from 75 to late 78 produced advances and design refinement that will NEVER EVER be seen again in skateboarding. All these new companies and skaters refer to 70's equipment as garbage and such, they fail to recognize what was going on.
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41st ave (tunnel shop) advertisement date
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On 4/14/2008
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
(128.158.nnn.nnn)
I will have to do some searching in my stuff, but I would think the advertisement is early-mid76
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Not-So-Vintage Quiver
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On 4/13/2008
Rob in VA
wrote in from
United States
(98.166.nnn.nnn)
Nothing vintage here except the style. Maybe Michael can establish a "Quivers" forum.
Logan Earth Ski by Gravity with Tracker Fulltrack B-52's and Retro Zigzag 66mm 78a. MY favorite ride!
Fibreflex Teamrider Re-issue with Bennett Vector 4.3's and ABEC 11 70mm 70's Flashbacks
Deathbox Dave Hackett with Tracker Sixtracks and ABEC 11 65mm No Skoolz. Fun skatepark set-up
Black Label with Gindking Jay Adams and Deathboax black bandana wheels. Haven't ridden it yet.
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My Quiver
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On 4/12/2008 Vintage Man
wrote in from
United States
(66.245.nnn.nnn)
Sorry to interrupt that Skateboarder ad conversation.
www.calstreets.com has most Skateboard ads 1977-79 on
that site!! Awesome resource for Skateboarder mag ads...
MY QUIVER....
MAKAHA ORIGINATOR 27 all original Vintage.
Tiger IV wheels, Lazer Trucks... Excellent slalom style...
ALVA RE-issue/ 1977. Bennett Vectors 5.0, 3dm Avolon wheels.
Vintage risers, bushings, hardware...More of a crusing mobile....
JAY ADAMS RE-issue,Cruizer 27inch. Tracker Ful Truks, Bennett Alligator
wheels. Vintage risers, bushings, hardware.... Rides almost as smooth
as the Makaha slalom style, but thinner and not as stable.
As to my riding skills, we are talking slow, and vintage old man rider!
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What year?
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On 4/12/2008 John
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.105.nnn.nnn)
GT, thanks for that, slightly later than I thought. It was the Logan that made me think it was a bit earlier (I was obviously mistaken about the time of the Makaha link). Could you, or anyone else, give a run down on what equipment was available in August '75?
Herb, there is another old advert on the Tunnel site which states that the Competition model (with cut-out wheel clearance) was available in 28" and 30" sizes. Doubt they made very many though.
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