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On 12/27/2001 Duane
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70 ? More like 14, that's what I paid for decent ones for skatecar rack and pinion steering (6 used), 1/4-28 stud size. I think the $70 ones are for race car suspension / aircraft use. Still 14 is too much for commercial trucks, a pivot bushing is probably $0.25 in quantity. No play at $14, good enough for me, I do get industrial discount, usually there for the asking.
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On 12/24/2001 Mario
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I learned some interesting things the last time I went out buttboarding. Me, HC, and Mark Johnson went to a parking garage. It's all left turns and not very fast, but it does let you try a lot of things out and it's a lot of fun.
At first I used my 74a Power Paws in front with my green Kryptos in back. I wasn't making the corners very well, sliding and getting wheel bite occasionally. Mark was well out in front.
After some frustration I switched to green Kryptos all around and they worked a lot better. I was surprised how much more traction the harder wheels had than the softer ones. This time it was me out in front easily. It's amazing how much difference the wheels can make, and it isn't always what you think.
Last night I made a new buttboard with 1.5" of concave. Yeah, that's a lot of spoon and it holds my body well. I've been testing it out on the living room floor and it seems to give amazing leverage. I'm not going to taper the back end like a Lott Classic, because the extra width gives me shoulder blades some serious turning power. Maybe too much, I think I'll have to plunk down for some luge trucks afterall.
I used 4 plys of 1/8" birch ply from Home Depot and glued it up with Titebond 2 wood glue. This 1/2" deck is much stiffer than my 3/4" birch ply buttboard. I may try and make a 3/8" deck next, this current one has no flex.
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On 12/20/2001 hc
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blast from past, catamarans!
http://www.ncdsa.com/Russ_Howell_CDROM/SKATING/Magazine%20Pages/WildWorldOfSkateBoarding-1977-V1N2-April-Page034.jpg
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On 12/20/2001
Jonas Jungblut
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Hi everybody.
I just moved from Germany to Santa Barbara, CA and am now faced with the fact that I have nobody to race with and dont even know where I should go to race.
maybe someone could help me out of the situation and tell me places to longboard and buttboard.
Thanks
Jonas
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On 12/19/2001
hc
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ride this sat in SJ
check under events
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On 12/17/2001
Darren Lott
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Chris was modest both in his post and at the race. He was racing against a very tough field and was the #1 Qualifier. He was still amazed to make the final and podium, but it was not a fluke. He rode well.
I'm gathering pictures and facts for Buttboarding.com and will post when the event update is done. Hopefully Chris will link to his well deserved listing (anchor) in the Legends section when I finish (he's already sent his pictures and bio. Thanks Chris!)
I'm sorry for anyone who missed the event. It was a perfect So Cal December day, everyone was in good spirits, the entry fee was super low (thanks Scott Peer and Marcus and Willie), and the course was super fun. We had ... Naw, I'll wait and tell about it in the coverage later this week.
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On 12/17/2001 hc
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clarification, blue (bot/base/harder) and blk (top,softer)
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On 12/17/2001 hc
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i recommend the bushings (blue top and black bot, both non-conical) , very hard duro since there is increase leverage with the wide decks.
grade 8 bolts are 25cents in hardware stores.
flip those hangars.
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On 12/17/2001
Chris chaput
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It isn't necessary but it's about the best $3.00 you'll ever spend on a race vehicle upgrade. Potholes at high speed can bend the average kingpin. Grade 8 bolts are cheap and readily available. Bring your old one and the locknut into the local hardware store and get one about 1/4" longer. See if they have a taller locknut as well. Using cylindrical instead of conical shaped cushions can improve stability. Security breeds speed.
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On 12/17/2001 Shane Jones
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I am in the process of building a buttboard. I have a set of Randal II 180mm. I was wondering if upgrading the bushings and kingpin is totally necessary and how much it improves the ride and handling?
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On 12/17/2001
Chris Chaput
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I had a great time at the IGSA West LA College race yesterday. First time on my buttboard and luge since I broke my wrist at Barrett Junction on October 26th. I had to push with 1 1/2 hands but I still managed to get out front each heat. I found the perfect line in my qualifying round and qualified 1st for the first time in my short career. You can't always get back to that line when there are four guys sharing the road but I still managed to squeak into the finals with Dave & John Rogers and Darren Lott. When I went into the last hard left hairpin at the end Dave made an awesome inside move but I thought my wider line would give me more exit speed and the win. Instead, body parts belonging to Darren and John whacked me in the head, stomach and legs and sent my nearly spinning out to the outside. Both of them kinda crashed each other out and I managed to stay on and limp over the line for the Silver.
This is my first podium in Buttboarding and so now I qualify as one of in Darren Lott's prestigious Buttboarding.com Legends. The name of the game is show up and go down the hill. You never know what may happen.
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On 12/17/2001 hc
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my haka concave have virtually no flex. It would be a good experiment to see if a flexier deck would roll smoother/faster than a stiffer deck without affecting handling.
misterbill was talking to comet about a buttdeck with carbon layer for dampening, would be cool. I like their speed deck, carbon/glass/wood, great stiff feel with hint of flex and dampening quality.
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On 12/17/2001 Mario
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As you suspected, two layers of 1/4" for a total of 1/2". My 3/4" board flexes very little, but it works pretty well for my first deck. I've got another board just like the one I'm currently using, I could donate it to our SF brothers if they want it.
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On 12/17/2001
hc
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mario, are you adding more plies to your existing board or making another deck (flexier?) why two layer of (.25") instead of one (.5")?
david and clayton in sf are interested in getting buttboard decks..
anyways, let's do another ride when the rain dries up.
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On 12/17/2001 Mario
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HC, I'm actually thinking of going the opposite route and using riser pads to get a little higher off the ground. I was looking at myself in the mirror the other day (in lay down position) and noticed that my shoulders sometimes touch my wheels. I don't know if this happens when I'm riding or not. Do any of you pros have wheel marks on your shoulders?
Maybe the best fix is to make a board with some rocker in it, so that the middle section is lower, yet the rear is high so that shoulders don't rub. I was speaking with my friend Matt "Catfish" Richards, and he spent considerable effort making a buttboard with a lot of flex in it. I suppose this got him a little closer to the ground, while increasing grip as well.
I think I'll have to ply up my own buttboard. I'll probably use two layers of 1/4" baltic birch. HC, if you want to go in on a sheet with me let me know.
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On 12/15/2001 hc
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darren, a question about dropped boards, since almost all luge out there are dropped, is there better control? or just done for aero?
is there such thing as too low?
http://4.33.176.246/streetluge/images/00/stgeorge/tn_1426.jpg
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On 12/14/2001
Darren Lott
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Story of Foam,
First board I did any significant Buttboarding with was a Foundation longboard on Templin Hwy with the lugers. I noticed the nose kept digging into my calves and was very uncomfortable. So first thing I thought was "hey these buttboards need some nose padding."
The Lott Classic has a large rounded nose to naturally alleviate the problem. Mario is correct that you normally ride for a few minutes and don't need it (but I have been on 30 minute rides!)
The boards I sell don't come with any pad. A pad can give it a "finished look" and can also keep your board from looking like everyone else's (since pads turn out distictively). The pad I use on my Demo boards is the camping foam mentioned by Ben, and I use adhesive spray to tack it down.
The super custom job I do on my personal racing board and pegless luges is with the knee pad foam mentioned by PSR. This is very coool stuff! The kneeling foam is more duable than the camping stuff. I cut it out with a bandsaw and use the belt sander to finish and shape it. It shapes nicely and ends up with a suede finish. Then I route the board 1/4" and drop in the foam with adhesive spray. I make the foam slightly larger than the part routed out so it wedges in. That really keeps the foam from being pulled up. The routing also makes the nose a touch lighter. (Forward of the trucks is not weight bearing. I wouldn't do this for a seat pad).
Another reason people use a nose pad is to keep their heels up off the ground just a touch higher. However, your style will eventually adjust to how you've set up your deck. If you are annoyed with heel dragging, you might try a pad.
Quick aside. Previously there was no rule regarding padding height for IGSA racing. Jason Johnson noticed this and a figured out a way to make a neck fairing/headrest. It gave his board a strong luge appearance. He had to move far forward on the board to make it work. He raced it at West LA with good sucess. At Barret many racers were very upset about the "headrest" which they were sure was an advantage and was illegal. I let them know that the way Jason made it was legal within the current rules. Jason voluntarily took it off anyway and raced quite well without it. The new 1" rule should is in honor of Jason's sportsmanship and should prevent some future misunderstandings about padding.
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On 12/13/2001 PSR
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The foam padding I've found to be most readily available is the stuff they sell at hardware stores to be used as 'kneeling pads' for gardeners.They're usually a block about 18"L x 9"W x 1-1/2"d,with a handle cutout in them.I wrap them in colored duct tape,but add lengths of Velcro tape as well on one side,and stick Velcro tape to the deck where I'm going to place the foam.Now the pad can be easily replaced if your board gets inverted at speed,and you can put foam padding right over your truck mounting screws without worrying about accessing them for maintenence.Tools required are scissors,and patience(ducttape wrapping can be tedious);Cost is under $20 for a well padded board.Two of the pads on the 'Crutchboard' are close to 17yrs. old,so I'd rate durability as fairly high.
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On 12/13/2001 hc
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david, concave buttboards
http://www.geocities.com/bkkiggins/haka/
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On 12/13/2001 hc
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I meant mouse, hahaha....
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On 12/13/2001 hc
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I am also planning on some padding on my deck.
those foam that darren use looks nice, what are they?
any dense foam will probably work, use spray adhesive. (check your hardware store)
heard mouth pads works good as butt pads!
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On 12/13/2001 Mario
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To foam or not to foam? I don't have any foam on my board, it's just naked wood the whole way. I really don't see the reason for it, I mean, you aren't on the board for more than a couple of minutes at a time. And I spend a lot of my time with my legs dangling off the sides of the board, not stuck out in front. I guess I may try it sometime just to see why people are doing it, but I haven't missed it yet.
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On 12/13/2001 Ben
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I'm currently building my first buttboard and have noticed that alot of guys put some foam on the nose to help support your legs. What king of foam do you use? (it looks like some kind of closed cell foam, similar to what backpacking sleeping pads are made out of) Where can you find such foam and how is it attached to the deck? (some kind of spray adhesive?)
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On 12/13/2001 hc
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david, those look like moes speed trucks (believe they sell them and landluge.com)
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On 12/13/2001
david
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darren, those custom trucks are amazing, did you make those, or somebody else? got any more pictures and info on those trucks? where they made specifically for buttboarding and luge to cut down on wheel wear without doubling the trucks up?
its great to see all that totally homemade eqipment, helps the sport alot with the advancment of speedboarding/buttboarding/luge
peace
david
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