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herbn
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On 10/25/2000 rene
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I second that Motion!!!
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Cherry Bombs
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On 10/25/2000 Herbn
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Two 78a wheels can feel alot different,if one has a big plastic core it will feel harder than one with a small core,a Cherry Bomb with a Easy Rider core would be mushier.
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durometers
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On 10/25/2000 rene
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Hey you guy's, don't get so HUNG UP on what the wheels is, 76a versus 78a, it's how the wheels feel under your feet that counts, the durmeter is a general guide line, so if a specific wheel feels good then who cares if it's 78a or 82a or whatever, if you like the cherry bombs or the white this or red that, then just skate them...
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cherries
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On 10/25/2000 mikez
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nugwop, I am really not 100% sure but mine definetly don't feel 76a. But get a proper veiw from someone who knows better than me.
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Cherrys
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On 10/25/2000 nugwop
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HELP!
on longskate.com they say that the cherry bombs are 78a,
BUT on exkatestore.com it's 76, who is right?
Do anyone know why the M-80's is named that?
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Dog doo?
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On 10/24/2000 Pre-School Rider
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CmC,just for that,I'm running my 80mm Road Weapons next time! You is TOAST!
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Hyper Strada
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On 10/24/2000 cmc
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those 66mm stradas made preschools krypto classics 70mm look like dog dung. No comparison. Period. Drayton, hold onto your set!
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Pig Wheels revisited
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On 10/24/2000
John
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Well I finally gotten a set out of curiousity to see if they flat spot, they are 59mm and 95a, they also came with a bairly used set of Pig Speedstar (ABEC 3s) already in there.
When my sholder gets better (and when I could spell) I'll see if I can get them to flat spot.
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Hyper Strada 66mm Vs. Krypto Classic 70mm
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On 10/24/2000 Pre-School Rider
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A few weeks ago,CmC and I shot down the 'back road' to Stratton from Jamaica,which is older,roughish tar.I was on my Livewire 76mm,CmC on the Stradas.I kept a lead on him,mostly;But we noticed that the Stradas didn't 'fade away' untill we were on the flats for a bit.So today,CmC + I run Turner Vs. Turner,both of us on Stradas.Everythings pretty equal,as it should be.Drafting and holding one's tuck were the deciding factors in who led the other down the hill.So on run #2,I switch up(?) to my Krypto 70mm/80a classics.As we set out,I'm leading,CmC is on my tail,drafting;and counting out the distances in feet,then inches...On the next little 'booster' incline,there's silence from CmC,and he's by me,not slowly,but BY me.I couldn't catch him.Now,he's running a smaller wheel,on a board he dosen't 'go fast' on,usually.Hmmm.I think I'm going to put those Kryptos on my wife's longboard.Too damn bad those Stradas are out of production,it's a heck of nice tire.Mind you,we bought these for slalom riding,figuring the 66mm would out last the Strada 62mm,and maybe go a tad faster.I wish now that they had made a bigger version(like 80mm) of these! Next time out,I'll use either the Hyper Mundos,or get some big ol' Power Paws.I'll post back later if we get a chance to run other 'fast' wheels against the Stradas.
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Kryptonic classic 76mm
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On 10/24/2000 Craig
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I rode my set for the first time today, just once though. It was a roughish road, but quite fast. I'm really impressed. They're a smooth ride, but manage to be fast. I love the way they grip in the corners and hope they don't lose the grip much as i use them.
I am a bit concerned though...my friends, both street lugers, managed, after about 8 rides, to get the urethane to start tearing from the hub.
Has anyone else had these sort of problems?
Note that the mountain pass was long, and they are both heavy guys. Also kryptonics have been notified and are showing concern.
Either way, watch out on your luge, but i think they're fine for stand up.
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wheels
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On 10/23/2000 roger
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... with centered hubs please, my Aluminators are starting to cone.
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wheels
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On 10/23/2000
hugh r
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Here is my take on some of the wheels I have tried/own:
Grippiest under pressure - Power Paw 74a kevlar core
Fastest off the line - exkate turbos
Best for spitting out rocks at speed - exkate cherry bombs
Best looking (hands down) - Power Paw "Orange" Aluminators
I have recently picked up a set of Kryptonic Classics that look real promising too.
One of the great things about the longboard industry of today is that there is no shortage of very nice equipment, especially wheels.
Rene, here is what I would like to see from power paw...
* Less ink on the outside of the wheels (especially on the reds, it really takes away from their beauty)
* Giant hub 80+mm 74a and 78a wheels.
* Anodized hubs on the aluminators
* Optional "baby moon" hubcaps for the all the wheels
* Bright flouresent lime green urethane
I know... I don't ask for much! But I do love your stuff!! HR
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durometer
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On 10/23/2000
rene
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Hey Ben,
I'd luv to test wheels and post the duro's but currently we are so slammed with holiday that I won't be able to do that till after X-mas I will try every now and then when we get some wheels in for our longskate.com site to measure and keep a list going, better yet if you can send me you'r email I'll send u a reading and you can start a spread sheet and see what we get after awhile..
Is that a Haight Street prevarication? What is the "lot of mis-info" you're talking about?
Kryptoncs min. to run a specific wheel (color,durometer, core, wheels shape) is min. of at least 2,000 they would never give an exclusive to someone that buy's 300 at a time... Power Paw has it's own factory and our min. for our own anything is 1,200 per sku..
Anyhow take it easy..
ps. did u notice that our power paw red'/white/orange aluminator's all say 78a.. that's because I didn't think the white 74a's would be as popular as they have been on alloy hub's (and didn't want to spend the extra money making plates for somethin that might be gone tommorrow), another thing I always try to live buy, just because I don't think something might not work for me doesn't mean it won't for someone else..
I alway try to keep an Open mind!
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New Bones Bombers
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On 10/23/2000 Slippahjoe...
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I just got some new Bones Bombers 68mm with the red dot on em..I just have to say the new compound is killer! It may be my imagination but these seem faster and smoother than the previous bombers I have owned..But regardless these wheels kick ass!
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Transparent red Aluminators
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On 10/23/2000 Herbn
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Probabely my favorite wheel right now,i've been off of my Cherrys for a while now,and i want to experiment and see if the Cherrys are alot faster feeling when i get back on them.
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power paws
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On 10/23/2000 mikez
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Firstly I dont think Power paw makes a red wheel of 74a the red ones are 78a. I have only tried the red 78a and they are the smoothest wheel that I have ever ridden it also has a good speed and I find it good for speedy technical courses
it definetly has a superior grip to a lot of wheels.
to put it simply it is a damn good wheel in my veiw
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Power Paw 70 mm Red 74
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On 10/23/2000
Big Steve
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How do the Power Paw 70mm Red 74's rate for general riding?
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Pig wheels
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On 10/22/2000
John
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I was just wondering if anybody has played with these wheels made by Pig. I'm espically interested in the 60mm ones.
Thanks.
also I was just wondering about cheap generic wheels so I could practice my slides.
any suggestions?
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Use that duro-meter
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On 10/21/2000 Ben
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Rene -
Let's use that duro-meter or whatever you call your device that measures durometer.
You mentioned what they were doing in the 80s but that's like a decade or two ago, right? What are they doing, as Fat Boy Slim would say, right about now, funk soul brother? Let us know - I know you have a wheel or two in your world you could squeeze to educate the masses. "Aluminate" (sic) this controversy if you would.
Seriously, you can tell us what all of these well-known wheels "squeeze" and you already know we can't tell. Fill us in. What's what? for what it's worth.
Hey, keep in mind that Carol didn't say she did anything like PAYING Kryptonics for the exclusive, just that SOH had an exclusive for three years on that mold that ran out. Is that a Haight Street prevarication? What is the "lot of mis-info" you're talking about?
Those guys have been around for a while (maybe not as long as you & some other folks) they seem to hook us up generally and if they're jerking my chain you go ahead and let me know about what.
So it sounds like something we can all agree on is that riders can't tell durometer any closer than about six points (a lot). But your device can. Hook us all up with some data. What's the squeeze on a Cherry Bomb vs. a Krypto 76mm vs. a downhill Power Paw? For that matter, what measures rebound? It's kind of cool to have the skate wheel arena filled with mystique. But at the same time, that works better with tots & teens.
Isn't the demographic in longboarding more the 20 to 40something, with plenty of whip-smart engineering types in the mix? These gents and the occasional woman will want hard, verifiable numbers. Why not? Especially for the upmarket sell. Can you tell us that a wheel has a greater rebound than another? By what measurement?
Trust me, if you have the superior product (which you may well have, based on the amount you care) being able to prove it will bring us all to your door. If the competition doesn't rebound, just verify that you rebound X according to whatever independent test you commissioned and trust and that they, in fact, rebound a tiny fraction of X.
By the way, my remarks about "marketing ploy" were all about a colored wheel. I think the pavement cares less about the color than the human, color-perceiving eye does. I think that if the buying behavior of the human eye weren't involved, the pigmentation of the wheel wouldn't matter so much, that's all. I'm sure urethane production is a complete bitch like so many other endeavors in life; you only how know how hard it is until you do it. I'm not saying a would-be cub scout with a bunsen burner will be kicking out Power Paws when he's a Webelo.
Anyway, lots of good information from you in that post (no surprise there); all of my posts are hopefully not just in agreement with everyone else but maybe with something new and legitimately controversial to the extent they will generate feedback. Controversy is good; we had eighteen posts in one day on this forum on the 9th after my SOH and rebound posts. More info and involvement = better.
Where be the data?
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Rene: Wheel COlor
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On 10/21/2000 T naylor
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You seem like the most qualified source. Could you shed some light about how color or lack of it effects performance?
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Durometer
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On 10/21/2000 Herb
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I was gonna act like i knew for sure and say +/-2 pts Bens range was just to big.In softer urithanes hardness is less noticable,but not that unnoticable,single pts up near 100 are noticable,over 100 ratings are hype,go d scale.
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ben/wheels
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On 10/21/2000 rene
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man u sure have been given alot of mis information..I worked for kryptonic for 9yrs. and SOH has never paid to have an exclusive mold made, maybe one of the first shops to have them but that's it, as for durometer, most all factories have testing equipment for lots of variables, including the most simple, the durometer (we have one here at my office) it's about a $200 dollar item not a big deal, when I was at krypto in the 80's we ran wheels +/- 2 points, Hyper at the time 3 points. Also with my years of experiance most (80%) of the riders wouldn't notice a change of say 78a to 82a or even 84a it's pretty close, I've had people tell me that a test wheel we gave them in white was so killer blah blah cause it was so grippy soft blah blah that's why they like the 74a PP's and we actually gave them some 78a wheels in white...
So point of this is most factories have tolerance levels for all aspects of wheel making, they test the parts before they hook them up to the line, then they test them at the begining of the run as well as at the end, they check for all sorts of things u might be suprised, did you even know that liquid urethane is highly toxic, so the vapor given off by a melting wheel is not good.
It's not all just a Marketing ploy, the machines used as well as the man power for the whole process is 100's of thousands of dollars, that's why we only have a dozen factories making wheels, a friend of mine started to make wheels and it's taken him over 1 year to get going and he has spent about 250k. his main guy even came over from Hyper/Bravo to set it up..
Hell getting the mold realease off of the wheels sounds easy but is a major issue u probably didn't even think of, the durometer of the wheel is the easiest part..
cya...
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that 76mm exclusive wheel mold is all over Taiwan for the last 4 yrs....I have riden it and it's the same shape to the T, only problem is they use a 1 part urethane that has shit rebound..
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Kyrpto Clones
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On 10/20/2000
Hamm
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Well that exclusivity agreement certainly ran out quite some time ago. Almost every skate shop in San Diego has been carrying these unmarked clear Krypto clones w/chrome cores for quite some time. Hamels has been putting them on thier completes for at least 2 years.
Dave
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76mm Wheels
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On 10/20/2000
DT
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Hyper, Live Wire, Krypto, Gravity, SOH, all use the same mold but with different urethanes. The Kryptos grip the best and the Livewires are the fastest. I would leave the others on the shelves.
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76mm mold for Krypto, SOH
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On 10/19/2000 Ben
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One other thing I found out is that SOH had a three-year exclusive on that mold, was the first to use it, and was apparently kicking out "longboard" wheels for years before Krypto and others followed when the exclusive on the mold lapsed.
Does anybody have a durometer to actualy measure the advertised hardness of their wheels? Carol, one of the owners of SOH was saying that the numbers are pretty meaningless; despite what the advertised rating is they'll generally be between 70 and 85. The idea that advertised 80A are consistently within a point or two of 80 is just a marketing ploy.
Can anyone verify that these durometer ratings actually check out? Let's get some measurements from the field if anyone can produce some data.
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