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| Q&A: Michael Brooke - Publisher, Concrete Wave Magazine (7141 Posts)
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Fakes
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On 8/9/2006
Steve C.
wrote in from
United States
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I am not trying to cause a stink about anything Buddy, I just hear a lot of talk that I think is not founded in fact or experience. I just thought that yourassertion that boredom with the available terrain is what drives street skating when I am pretty sure you are not out in the streets very often.
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generalizing
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On 8/9/2006
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
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So the fact that "modern" flat bottom vert ramps with 10'-12' transitions have been on the scene since around 20+ years have no bearing on the state of vert ramp skating. Or the fact that the street type skating with the varied contours, with sharp banks, rails, gaps, stairs, etc etc, has been on the scene in its current state for 15+ years has no bearing on the current abilities of skaters. that is an extremely long time not to consider the amount of mastering and upping one's abilities. Not to mention the addition of new kids coming into skating and trying to start at the current level of the other good skaters. that ups the ability every 2-3 years drastically.
Every new kid that comes into skating, comes in with the image of the current state of the scene. These new skaters excel incredibly fast. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am an armchair skater that only skates vert tranny, roundwall, ditches, pools, banks, downhill cruising, play with slalom, dabbles in freestyle, and does not street skate. Maybe my perceptions of skating is all wrong. I will have to rethink that. Well, I did. I still come to "my" conclusion. that is "my" fact that terrain types that is skated for so long have a definite bearing on the level of skating, and thats level of skating reverberates thru the whole scene.
I wont lash back at the comments of being "If you are not involved in the scene how in the hell can you claim to have any insight, at all, into why things are a certain way? You can't possibly have any, mostly because you lack any insight. You are a spectator"
I did not make any comments on the skating or dislike for street skating. I only spoke of the levels being where it is because of the amount of time it has been in the limelight, and that sort of terrain has been skated. And I certainly didn't call any of you guys fakes or whatever.
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Generalizing
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On 8/9/2006
Bud
wrote in from
United States
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I'd like to add something to Steve C's comments. The whole idea of generalizing anything is very, very dangerous, and almost always leads to a distinct misunderstanding of the topic at hand.
Take street skating. Now, even if you do street skate at all- and, therefore, can maybe relate to it in some fashion- the reality is, you only understand it insofar as you have actually experienced it. Which is not necessarily the same exact way that the rest of the skating population experiences it. This means: You can really only speak for yourself, and not particularly for anyone else.
So, please, don't even try speaking for me, alright?
If you're relying on the media for your facts, or, for an accurate view of current trends, well, you might as well not even bother. The media tends to report what will either sell the most copies of whatever media they're selling you, OR, what creates the biggest amount of controversy and/or speculation (which is all done to sell more copies, I suppose- so, yeah, everything's designed to sell, then).
What the media feeds you and I is not necessarily the reality of the situation. If it was, then, every kid in the world would be doing 24 stair handrails as an everyday occurance. This is not quite the case.
Sitting back and trying to classify, deride, compare, value, write off, hype up, or otherwise steer skateboarding is an exercise in total futility. Every person that skates is an idea, a hypothesis of what skateboarding is to them. To even attempt at changing this basic truth by changing and/or manipulating individual ideas is the basic premise of propaganda, which leads to mind control, which leads to facism, which leads people to become unquestioning sheep in the herd, existing solely for the benefit of some higher authority. Skateboarding, intrinsically, is the opposite of this. Thank f*n god.
If you want to go street skate, well then, go. If you don't, well then, don't. But: Any conversation above and beyond that is completely superflous. So, why are you even bothering?
Or, you could just try appreciating it for what it is, thanking the good Lord that, hey, at least the damn kids are skating something, and leaving it at that. Whatever.
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Street tricks
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On 8/8/2006
Steve C.
wrote in from
United States
(208.252.nnn.nnn)
Buddy, the whole point of street skating is to avoid hitting the same obstacles over and over. When I go street skating I hit as many things as possible. "street" in a park is stagnate. Getting out in the street offers so many different things, variations of themes, and variety. I think that is why a lot of people are so into it. You can constantly find new and different things to ride. It is not stagnate, and the lack of variety is not why people like tricks. Think about it. Park offer little variation if you ride the same park over and over. Street is way more varied. Really, think about it for a while.
Street skating is so diverse BECAUSE it is done on varied terrian, spots, obstacles. Ramps, for sure. A half pipe is pretty simple. Modern street skating on the other hand is so much more varied and diverse. I go out and can skate for hours without hittin the same stuff twice. Try that on a half pipe. Oh I hit one side, now the same thing. And park skating is pretty similar. Real street skating in the streets has much more to offer. When is the last time most of you all actually went street skating, and bombing hills and running cones does not count. When is the last time you all ollied up, down, on or over something?
There is an old adage about surfing. It goes something like this: If you used to surf, you never did. Basically it says that if you don't surf today you can't really relate to it. Your "insight" is meaningless. The same is true about skateboarding. If you don't street skate you don't relate to what is going on today. You have your ideas, you may think it is narrow, and the same thing over and over. I saw some of the raddest stuff lately. This was street skating by some local kids in my hometown. The approach some of these kids had was so unique, different, progressive. If you don't skate you don't relate. I don't get on here and try to spray about my thoughts on downhill racing or slalom, mostly because I don't do it and have nothing to offer. The same can be said about street skating. If you are not involved in the scene how in the hell can you claim to have any insight, at all, into why things are a certain way? You can't possibly have any, mostly because you lack any insight. You are a spectator. It is like the football fan criticizing a veteran NFL coach, acting like he could do it better, has more insight, and is just as much a coach. In reality, you have your ideas, but they are not based in experience. Instead it is based on opinion. Your opinion is your, and everyone has one.
I guess my point here is this: Street tricks are not driven by a lack of variation in terrian. Street skating is what it is. Either you relate, or you don't. If you don't maybe you should stop trying to analyze what the driving force behind it is. I can assure you it is not boredom with the available terrian. Unless you are stuck behind a fence, skating the same park over and over. That is skating in captivity, real street skating is done out in the street. It is alive, thriving. The lack of terrian does not drive the desire to try harder trick. Quite the opposite. The variety of terrian drives the progression.
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Modern skating . . . of any kind
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On 8/8/2006
WT
wrote in from
United States
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On 8/8/2006 buddy rawls wrote in . . .
"when terrain becomes stagnate and unchanged (ie vert ramps and street obstacles, the focus is the tricks. The bionic and wild moves start happening because the terrain is essentially used up."
Buddy,
It is (or should be the same) in downhilling and slalom. Whenever someone complains that the course is too easy, I always answer, "then go faster." About the only time it doesn't work is if cones are way too far apart on a grade that's just entirely too shallow or flat and pumping is an exercise in futility.
Any endeavor, whether it's skating or playing the accordian, can be made challenging by challenging yourself to do more, do it better, do it faster, do it smoother, do it consistently, do it backwards or do it with your eyes closed. Only the simple minded look at a single circumstance and draw only one conclusion. Variations are infinite.
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my narrow mind...
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On 8/8/2006
Mike Moore
wrote in from
United States
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Not trying to be political.
Laws of physics, science, & nature escape me...maybe that's why I was an art major...dunno...I suppose you are/could be right. Doesn't add up in my head...but maybe it doesn't have to.
Move along. Show's over. I defer.
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modern vert skating!
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On 8/8/2006
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
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modern vert skating, taken as vert ramps, is where it is because ramps have no choice but to go higher and higher with airs and variations. The back and forth skating of ramps fosters trick-trick-trick skating. Air capability of function of tranny radius. In general, the air limitation (loosely defined) is very close to the transition radius, unless some additional methods are used to get speed.
when terrain becomes stagnate and unchanged (ie vert ramps and street obstacles, the focus is the tricks. The bionic and wild moves start happening because the terrain is essentially used up. In the case of vert ramps it has little choice but to go higher and higher. That means airs, transitions, ...... I think this is why vert skating is what it is today. and likewise street skating.
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close minded
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On 8/7/2006
slim
wrote in from
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GOB, it's ridiculous to call guys who don't believe women can/will ever be on the level of men in sports "narrow minded". It's not narrow minded to fail to imagine the scientifically impossible. It's just honest. After all, this is a scientific issue, not the political one you seem to want to turn it into.
Heck, I hope I'm proven wrong someday in the future. But we're going to need to do a lot of physical evolving before that happens.
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And another thing...
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On 8/7/2006
Mike Moore
wrote in from
United States
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Suppose, for argument's sake, you were Ryan Sheckler's parent...AND...that he had an equally talented/dedicated twin sister. Would you hold her back to help him? Would you give them equal footing and oppurtunity? Girls tend to mature physically faster than boys (some of you may not have noticed)...what if she got better faster than him? Who would you pay more attention too? Would you hold her back to let him play catch up?
I'm the father of two sons. I don't have to answer those questions...and I'm sort of glad. (But what if my younger son wanted to skate more than my older son...and he was better?!?!?)
I guess the broader point of my argument isn't BvsG...but more LET'S ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SKATE EQUALLY, no matter their skill level! I thought we were "anti-jock"?!? I don't like cold weather...my wife likes to ski...if she skated, we could both be happy! Skate-resorts...I could pay too much for a bagel and coffee...it would be great (kidding...sort of)
Man, Woman, and child....cradle to the grave...WHY NOT?
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To Slim...
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On 8/7/2006
Mike Moore
wrote in from
United States
(69.153.nnn.nnn)
You failed to point out this part of my post....
"Modern vert skating is partly where it's at, because Tony Hawk was too skinny and unmuscled to skate like the other guys...he took what he had and refined it to MTV Cribs, McDonalds, Bagel Bits, Huck Jam Tours, etc. (please don't start the "sell-out" drama)"
Tony adjusted his game to compete with bigger, burlier, stronger, and heavier competitors. True...He's a man, and still physically stronger, by nature, possibly, than a comparatively sized woman. The trick being...AGAIN...that he took his "weaker, lighter, body" and adjusted his skating to maximize on what he had. Instead of "throwing his body out of the pool" with a grab...he ollied out and grabbed late. Different style...but still brought home the bacon.
Degraded for robot style, but then again...will probably never see time in a soup line. Not that that's (financial success) what skating is about, by any measure, but in my mind he's succeeded both professionally (how many tricks has he invented? trophies? etc. etc.) and financially and both by making "him work best for himself".
So take a future Cara Beth, or a Holly Lyons, or who ever as a little girl...Tell that little girl at 4 or 6, that you'll support her skating (this is all based on the fact that the girl wants to, and has the drive to do it), throw her in the mix with the boys...sure she's not as strong, but she's more flexible (back to the Olga & Nadia idea)...she may have more passion (if supported), who knows...let her fall down, let her bleed...we all do. Let her be a girl...but don't keep her from going Gonzo.
I think we'd all surprised at what could/has/and will happen.
Give 'em a chance.
It has never failed to amaze me that skater's who like to characterize themselves as "open-minded, outlaw, artistic, etc. etc." can be the most narrow minded people on the planet...
Rant off.
Peas,
GOB
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Caballero on the cover. True Story
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On 8/7/2006
Eddy Texas Outlaws
wrote in from
United States
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So there I am at the Busted Up Knee Rehab Center in the waiting area. I am through My Concrete Wave. This bro sitting next to me tells that is Cab on the cover and that he is his cousin from California. I am skeptical of course. The physical Therapist calls him by his name Roberto Caballero, the bro gets up pulls out his wallet on shows me a picture of him and Cab when they were younger. Small world. Your Amigo Eddy TEXAS Outlaws.
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women skaters
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On 8/7/2006
cfav
wrote in from
United States
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i tend only to comment i things i actually witness.Lynn Kramer is constantly getting faster and racing pro men now.In ohio,she nearly took out Richy Carrasco in the head to head,i believe hybrid.Like i said,she is only getting faster,i do not think a pro podium is that far into the future for her.cfav
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women and x games
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On 8/6/2006 hc
wrote in from
United States
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-xwomen3aug03,1,3932545.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports
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women and men
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On 8/6/2006
slim
wrote in from
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Other than pure POWER moves...which are what? in skating...there's no reason that a woman, given a level playing field, shouldn't be able to compete with anyone.
I don't know man. I'm with you on wanting there to be more women skaters and surfers in the world, but let's not get carried away here. There must be a reason women aren't able to compete. I'm not a doctor so I can't tell you what it is. But there is no sporting activity in the world in which women have shown themselves to be anywhere near the level of men. It was thought women would catch up in things that require stamina over bursts of power, but so far the marathon records are about as far apart percentage wise as the 100 meter marks. Even in things that people think don't require POWER, but only require balance and concentration and spacial judgement, women haven't equalled men. It's not just running or weightlifting, but it's archery, shooting, surfing, whatever. Why is this? It surely must be related to the physical biology and not from lack of dedication or lack of access or support or any of that. Our brains and bodies must just function differently. (Or it may just be strength relative to body weight after all: I've always held that everything requires strength and more of it is always an advantage. And I say this as a 6', 150 lb. guy, ha! Even if an activity requires only lifting a few pounds and all competitors can easily do so, the one who is stronger is speding a lower percentage of his energy on the task of lifting and has more reserves left over for thinking and concentrating and balance and all that.)
I dig surfing and skating with women. It's a good vibe. And you know, women like Carabeth are way better than I am, for sure. But for as rad as she is, there are little boys at every skatepark in the country who skate "better" by contest criteria. If not, the women could just enter the open class (i.e. men) and compete for the higher purses. That said, prize money is not only related to how good someone is at an activity but only how marketable. When little boys start to look up to women vert skaters or more little girls are inspired by them and by the products they endorse or attend their events, then prize money will rise. Or if skating can draw an audience outside of participants, you know, just general people watching it for fun, then perhaps women's skating would be just as interesting to them as men's and that would raise prize money as well (as it has done to women's tennis).
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Neither money nor hype - just skateboarding
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On 8/5/2006 Guto Jimenez
wrote in from
Brazil
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All this discussion about female skateboarding seems soooo old and totally outdated. On any given sunny Sunday, you can find loads of chicks sidewalk surfing their longboards along the Ipanema Beach street in Rio. It's always a good excuse to "check their skating style" while you're giving that "check-it-out" look on how they wear their clothes. Anyone who cannot appreciate this, either as a skater or as a man, is just another very miserable soul to inhabit our planet...
As far as money goes, I heard from a sports tv director that they'll only make as much as guys do on contests when they reach the "ability to perform a tv-alike show" and "attract the numbers in audience" (his words) like guys apparently do. That's the sad and sorry truth according to the tv goons. What should girls do? Boycott seems to be the right attitude here. Let's not forget about what happened in Munster (Germany) some 10 years ago, when Titus tried to use the same street obstacles for 3 years in a row with a larger budget and got himself a massive boycott on his face. Maybe the example could be followed by chicks too.
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link not so hot..
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On 8/4/2006
Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
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well, ya gotta believe it was working for me...
a nice piece on the MASS series...
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kudos to Curt Kimbel
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On 8/4/2006
Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
(67.70.nnn.nnn)
Thanks FOX NEWS...great piece on the MASS series...
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?contentId=340376&versionfiltered=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=5.2.1
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it's not always about money
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On 8/4/2006 alleycat
wrote in from
United States
(68.49.nnn.nnn)
Wednesday night, DC female skater Stephanie Murdock joined a small club (four others) of skaters who have had the guts to drop in from the roof at FC Warehouse. We're talking about a 6 foot verticle drop thru a hole in the roof, down to a kinked transition, with a steel bar just to the left of the line. Incredible!
Some heavy talent has rolled thru and killed the place, but most look up at the hole and don't even bother to go to the roof and take a look. And 99% who do go up, quickly back away. She stuck it.
The bar has been raised....by a girl! Excellent job, Doc
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F vs M
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On 8/4/2006
caddy
wrote in from
United States
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![]() Benji
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Kudos to ESPN...
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On 8/4/2006
M brooke
wrote in from
Canada
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This speaks volumes. I picked this up from the Miami Herald.
FEMALE SKATEBOARDERS EARN RAISE After avoiding a boycott at last year’s X Games, ESPN asked female skateboarders to wait a year to air grievances ranging from the size of the prize purse to a lack of television coverage for their events.
The meeting occurred Wednesday night, between the Action Sports Alliance, a nonprofit association of professional women’s skateboarders, and John Skipper, ESPN executive vice president for content. The result: The prize purse will increase to a total of $78,000 from $12,000, and women’s skateboarding will appear on television next year.
It was too late to change the television coverage for 2006, according to ESPN. The men’s winner in skateboarding vert earned $50,000 last year, and the event was featured heavily in ESPN’s coverage.
The disparity led the Women’s Sports Foundation, a nonprofit that works on behalf of women and girls in sports, to engage ESPN in discussions about what could be done on behalf of female skateboarders
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nobody reads the Post...
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On 8/3/2006
Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
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Bud, I'm kidding...
but the truth is that the more exposure things like bombing garages get, the more we risk it being shut down. That being said, skaters will find a creative way to get their fix.
There's a very famous saying that runs something like "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it!"
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The National Post, aka The Mass Media
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On 8/3/2006
Bud
wrote in from
United States
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I always cringe when I read/watch these sorts of "public interest" stories in the media.
There's nothing like the glare of the spotlight to ruin a perfectly good time.
I predict every one of Toronto's parking garages will be a bust in less than a month.
Do these guys think the garage owners don't read the paper or something...?
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women skateboarders
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On 8/2/2006
cad
wrote in from
United States
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C.B.!
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many
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On 8/2/2006 snoball
wrote in from
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On the 'women in skateboarding' topic...you'll know it's not a real issue anymore when people stop arguing about it. It's not nearly as bad for chicks as it used to be, when you had maybe one female skater for every two thousand males. That's changed a bit, especially out west. But eh...I never really cared what the bro's thought about me riding and still don't LOL Shuddup and skate, right? Right. Kids get intimidated for all sorts of reasons, male or female. I see little girls in parks sometimes just learning and don't see any boys running over and knocking them off their boards nor in any other way posturing at them. Even back in the olden times, I don't recall any boys telling me not to skate or that I shouldn't. Quite the opposite actually if anything. The few who mouthed off, mouthed off at everyone, not just girls. Jerks are jerks and rarely change. They reveal themselves quickly so you shrug 'em off and skate anyway. Pro female skaters? There are more but until they are drawing crowds of groms as the guys do and in spite of them, you will not see a huge jump in payouts to them.
That canadian longboard scene has sure got it together, eh? I have no idea what it's like to barge a garage with that many skaters, or even hills. I feel so left out. So lonely. I think I'll make my way up there one day but the snow thing sort of gives me pause...
Male skate teams? Well, the pic chris put up..those guys have too many clothes on ;) I say put them in hot pink thongs. Now we're talking! Yeah!! F Yeah!! LOL
So...the real question is: Should Canadian guys wear hot pink thongs when they skate garages for a good cause and should they make more money than female skaters who do the same.. and if not, why not?
;)
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Longboarding Story from National Post (partial reprint)
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On 8/2/2006
Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
(67.70.nnn.nnn)
Kinda cool...
Wednesday » August 2 » 2006
Night of the Longboards
Toronto longboarders don't have the natural environments that inspire their kin in other parts of Canada. But when darkness falls, they turn the city's streets and empty parkades into adventure landscapes of their own
Diane Peters
National Post
Tuesday, August 01, 2006
CREDIT: photography by Simon Willms
(Longboarders)
CREDIT: photography by Simon Willms
(parking garage speed limit sign)
It's about 9:30 p.m. on a wet Wednesday night in late June, and a group of about 20 people ranging in age from their early teens into their 30s are sheltering under a bridge in downtown Toronto. They chat amongst themselves as the rain splashes down on the nearby streets, clutching oversized skateboards, known as longboards. Then, one man calls the proceedings to order. "You guys ready?" shouts Benjamin Jordan, whose pink bandana, mushroom of red hair and deep-seated reputation among Toronto longboarders makes him a beacon on this night. Jordan doesn't wait for an answer. He drops his board on the pavement and pushes off. The members of the group adjust their packs and follow without hesitation, trailing like a wave. The sight is almost ominous as they take to the streets, whizzing along darkened roads as fast as cyclists. "Is this a club?" one woman asks as the boarders flow around her on a sidewalk.
More of a loose community, actually. One that's come out on this crummy night for an event that's now a weekly ritual on the Toronto scene -- The Old Skool Night Shred. Over the next few hours, these longboarders will hit 10 parking garages in the city core. They'll bomb the empty ramps, drift along the curves and slide to dramatic stops on the smooth pavement, although gas-slicked puddles will turn even the simplest longboarding move into a soggy challenge tonight.
Whatever the conditions, it's hard not to see the appeal of riding these oversized skateboards. With lengths reaching up to 130 centimetres (the"shortboards" favoured by sidewalk tricksters are less than 100 centimetres) and large wheels that make them faster, they're just the thing if you like mixing your thrills with a bit of grace. Kids call them "skateboards for old people," as they're no good for tricks -- you don't need to know a kickflip from an ollie to ride with this crowd. Like surfboards for the street, longboards are built for cruising city pathways and flying down hills, slalom-style. And any boarder on any of the burgeoning scenes across Canada will tell you that the rush of carving out a long, clean ride wants for nothing.
But that's not all. Before long, they'll also start musing about the intangibles in terms that sound almost mystical. "It transforms things," one boarder will remark in a conversation a few days later. "Places become something new. You see an alley and it becomes something completely different."
And then they'll speak of the sport's sense of community. That's what's drawing Toronto longboarders out for this miserable night's shred. Many might have stayed in if it was a normal edition of the event. But tonight is special -- a send-off for Jordan. Three months ago, the 26-year-old photographer, a popular leader and innovator on the local scene, left Toronto for Halifax to join the Push for the Cure, a cross-country skate organized by three East Coast longboarders to raise money for the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation. Tonight, he's in town on the tour's Toronto stop. When the Push ends in early October at Vancouver's Stanley Park, he plans to stay out west, where he's originally from.
The rain turns to a heavy downpour as Jordan's crew glides into a parking garage behind a hospital. Half the group crams into an elevator and rides to the top, but a security guard spots them when they get out. "Nice try," he shrugs. Back on ground level, Jordan decides to check out a garage next door, which no one in the group has ever tried. There are few cars and no security, so the group makes its way to the top. "This is a virgin garage!" Jordan hoots as he begins his descent. The boarders join in, weaving as they roll down, as if riding the coils of an apple peel.
Watching from the sidelines -- a non-boarder, I was told to bring my bike along so I could keep up -- it seems almost surprising that longboarding has managed to do more than eke out an existence in Toronto. Surfers in the cities of the West Coast first developed the sport decades ago, attaching wheels to their boards -- creating the first skateboards, in fact -- so they could practise when the water was too rough or too calm. For that reason, the sport has thrived in coastal cities such as Los Angeles, San Diego and, more recently, Vancouver. In fact, Vancouver is now home to numerous longboarding events, such as the annual Attack on Danger Bay, an official downhill race event with cash prizes, now in its fifth year, and the annual Seawall Cruise.
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