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carve usa
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On 7/26/2000 todcar
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I rode one a few weeks ago at dump road and these things are super turny - perhaps tighter than exkates. I would say they are best for mild hill riding where you are constantly going from edge to edge (carving rythmically).Anything over 20-25mph would be a mistake - fairly heavy also.
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CarveUSA
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On 7/26/2000
Mike
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Thanks Chris!
That sounds like my type of board. I've got a Sector9 pintail I can get some good speed on, but those Carve Boards look awesome. I was told they cost around $300, thats like twice as much as a Sector9, but I've also been told that the price is totally worth it. If anyone has anything to say about these boards, please let us know!
-Mike
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Carve USA
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On 7/25/2000
Chris Chaput
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Mike-
Don't quote me on this but I think this is the air filled tire / spring loaded truck board that I looked out in a surf shop here in Huntington Beach. If so, you can expect surprisingly quick turning, decent enough traction and low speeds. If it's the one I'm thinking of, you do NOT want to bomb any really fast hills on those trucks. I think this is a good fun ride and can really carve well and would be a good cross trainer for surfing and skating.
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Carve USA
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On 7/25/2000
Mike
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Hey guys,
I'm looking to buy a CarveUSA board (www.carveusa.com), has anyone ever been on one of these? They look like they can rip shit up, but those huge tires lead me to believe they aren't fast. How much do they cost? Are they smooth? So I'm sure SOMEONE out there can give me the skinny on these suckaz.
Thanks!
-Mike
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BMW
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On 7/25/2000
Steve C
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Looks like this board would do better with some XT dirt wheels.
How about it guys...Let's race these down some ski slope trails.
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BMW'r/bummer
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On 7/25/2000
hugh r
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Just received an e-mail from one of the BMW corp guys... according to him the skateboard sales are not slated for the US market. He was bummed too...
Any of you European guys have a line on the streetcarvers? I sure hope so... I will not give up hope! HR
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Mo Speed
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On 7/24/2000
Chris Chaput
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Danny,
I'm glad you asked. Yes, Mark beat me fair and square in the finals up in Mammoth. It is a good question (really). It was an awesome race. Here's the story. This may sound like a series of excuses, but really these are the just the reasons that things happened the way that they did. Mammoth was my first race of any kind in 20 years. My race experience in the 70's was limited to slalom through cones, not GS. I bombed a few hills here and there, but spectated at Signal Hill. During the week before the Mammoth race I bought the white helmet, white leathers, shoes, gloves, trucks, bearings and a foam core carbon graphite deck. The only thing I already had were some good Cherry Bombs for my luge. The bearings and hangers showed up UPS on Thursday and I drove up on Friday with my wife and daughter. After donating $330 to Biker's cause (EDI) I was entered in my first ever downhill and streetluge race. I had made cutouts in the deck and drilled through to drop in the Randal Comp II baseplates two nights before the race. I put grip tape on the morning of the race. Jarret wouldn't pass my board for technical inspection (due to the potential of delamination from the cutouts) so I had to borrow a Dregs deck from Waldo and set it up. There was a good reason for me looking like a rookie-newbie with snow white gear and no sponsors. I had never ridden with that helmet on, never ridden on that deck, never ridden in those leathers and never tightened my own trucks before the first practice run that day. I had at least ridden the course on my luge that morning so I had kind of an idea of what turns to expect. The bad news is that I forgot to take off my thick rubber soled luge shoes for the first practice run and so my "maiden voyage" was made without being able to feel the board beneath my feet. Can you say Adrenaline Cocktail? I didn't die so I just changed shoes and pushed off a little harder in the next practice run. Having real shoes really helped and there weren't very many people passing me so I figured, "Hey, I can do this". My third run was the qualifier. Since I'm an old school skater and I'm used to loose trucks, I almost lost it during my push. The board went straight and I got off balance. I can't see straight down with that helmet on and need more practice. Anyway. I recovered well and ended up placing 7th overall (only six pros with better times) with Mark being almost two seconds behind. That was a huge confidence booster for me and big downer for Mark who was starting to change boards and look for answers. He never felt comfortable in his speed helmet and chose to go with what he knew. Because I felt that I had a good push and a great helmet, my strategy was simple, get out front, stay out front. That's exactly what happened until the finals. Mark lined up on my right shoulder for the finals. He had been envisioning his best run of the day, and I was nervous for the first time. This was for all the marbles. Mark and I both had good starts, but I think I stopped pushing way too soon. Mark beat me into the first turn, something that I had never seen before. What to do. What to do. He went a little wider than he wanted to and I was able to make my very first downhill pass on the inside. My lead lasted for less than 1/4 mile and he had maintained enough momentum to draft and pass. He got about 15 to 20 feet ahead of me before I started to reel him back in. When I closed to about 10 feet and started to feel his draft pull me in, he bobbled on some of the tar and came out of his tuck for a second. I stayed clean and started to drool. He had made a mistake and had opened the door. I waited until the last moment and was ready to blow by when we both bobbled and I was forced to get back behind him. I was now 15 feet behind, then 10, then 5, then FINISH LINE. Not enough real estate left for the gold. My Cinderella story ended abruptly because I didn't have the race experience and skill to get the best start that I could, and I wasn't able take advantage of a golden opportunity when it presented itself. I learned so much and had so much fun on that run. Mark pulled it off. He's the man. He saved his best run for when he needed it the most and came out on top. Sometimes second place can be a bitter pill to swallow but I couldn't be happier for Mark. This win (along with his win at Campo) puts him in the Pros. He is the nicest, coolest guy you'd ever want to meet, and a great competitor. We already have a mini rivalry brewing and it's all good. He and I are going to continue to train and practice and experiment with equipment. It is important to note that the comments that I make about the virtues of a good helmet can never overshadow the skill and experience needed in more technical races where the turns are more demanding and the aerodynamic needs are reduced. you probably noticed that in the pro finals there was a group "non push" and Biker positioned himself in last place and ended up first. Anything can happen on race day, but you still want to give yourself every chance you can to win. All other things being equal, better aero will bring home the gold.
I don't know where to find a speed helmet for cheap, you need to find a down and out skater in need of rent money. Maybe someone like Hugh R can make a mold from mine and put out some inexpensively. Keep in touch, Chris
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CarveSkateboard (http://www.carveskateboards.com/carvelongboards.htm)
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On 7/24/2000 Poster
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Whats your guyes views on this setup? it looks alot differnet from what ive seen. they placed the trucks on the kickflip. wierd?
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speed
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On 7/24/2000 cmc
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Some racers will take it to the extremes and do wind tunnel testing for the best aerodynamic stance. Expensive but worth it at a high level of competition. Not sure how many skaters take it that far but a lot of downhill skiers and such will do similar tests.
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helmet
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On 7/24/2000 Danny Connor
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Hey Chris, it's me again,
Come to think of it, didn't Mark beat you in Mammoth without an aero helmet? I'm not trying to dice things up, just curious as to reasons why. Was it because of those white shoes you wore? I'm just joking with you. I'm sure you could waste me on any hill, any day. Keep it real, and good luck in Seattle!
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helmet
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On 7/24/2000
Danny Connor
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Hey Chris,
Sounds like you guys had a ton of fun. Mark is one speedy guy. I had the opportunity to race him in Mammoth, needless to say, he kicked my butt. Do you know of any dirt cheap aero helmets that I might be able to get a hold of? I don't care how old or how pretty. I am an amature and those can be fairly pricey, so I was just checking. Do you want to buy me one by any chance?
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Speed boards
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On 7/24/2000
Chris Chaput
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Webmaster / DT,
I want to talk about downhill racing, the boards used, and all the protective gear from head to toe. I'm not sure if "completes" is the right section. Let me know.
DT, Mark Golter and I were bombing the dump road yesterday and came to the following conclusion. An aerodynamic speed helmet has a dramatic effect on your speed, ability to draft and pass. On a number of runs, Mark started out in front by 25 feet while wearing a conventional helmet and I was able to reel him in and pass him with ease. Even after air braking to let him catch up, he couldn't hang. He tried changing his boards without any more success. As soon as he put on the same type of LAP speed helmet that I was running the results were amazing. I started out front and easily reeled in. After he passed I slipped right back into his draft and reeled him in. Without a great speed differential when I went to pass him, I got halfway around and could go no further. We were literally frozen next to each other for at least 1/2 of a mile. To break up the monotony I came out of my tuck, slipped in behind and made another attempt at a pass, only to find myself back on his shoulder all the way to the bottom. We braked at the bottom side by side in the most even run imaginable. CONCLUSION: If you don't have the helmet and the other guys do, your not a player. Doc Go Fast and Landingham Aero Products (LAP) are both good, and some of the differences between the two may not be significant until you hit speeds above 100mph so take your pick. These helmets take som getting used to, and take some deep pockets too, but if you have the need for speed, you have the need. We skated several more runs that day with similar results. It will be interesting to see what happens in Seattle. I know that downhill is not for everyone and can be pretty darn expensive to gear up for, but I'd be happy to help anyone interested in learning more.
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drew
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On 7/24/2000
Mike G
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i would send them a e-mail asking for their phone number and the reason why u cant order with a credit card. They have good costomer servise so i dont think they would mind. What board are u planning to get? I have the fluid dragon pintail. nice board
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Longboards
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On 7/24/2000
Ron Burton
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Can't we all just get a longboard?
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fluid
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On 7/24/2000
drew
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hey,
i really want to order a board from www.longskate.com , but my mom won't let me give her credit information online. so i need a phone number to contact them at. does anyone have it? it would be greatly appreciated. thanks
DREW
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Kwiksplit
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On 7/23/2000 Kanoa
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Hey Chris,
I hear that the kwiksplits don't run good at high speed because of loss grip and are awsome at lower speed for smoothness. Moe Speed I have seen makes a system very alike but you can use full size wheels of your choice I believe, imagine using 6 or 8 Cherry Bombs. check it out and tell me if it's better.
Kanoa
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Dump Roadster
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On 7/21/2000
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
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This Sunday, Mark Golter and I are planning a dump road practice session for the Red Bull downhill competition coming up on Sept 9th in Seattle. Mark's running a wood/carbon fiber deck with Indy's and Exkate purps. I'll be running a more conventional Dregs deck with Randal Comp II's and Cherry Bombs, but there's a chance I'll have a Kwiksplit setup in the truck to experiment with. I tried them last weekend for the first time and was very impressed with how smooth and fast they were. See http://www.chrischaput.com/kwiksplit.jpg for a shot of my first time on Kwiksplits. We used bushings instead of bearings on the axles and there were no harmonics at speed. I'd like to try them with harder wheels to see how well they slide (tons of traction now). You will NOT see the secret prototypes up there, spies stay home. Mark and I will both be using the Landingham speed helmets, kevlar leathers and speedsuits in Seattle, but will train in real leather ($600 - $800 speedsuits are not cost effective to fall in, and these $1,200 helmets are not fun to have stolen, I just bought my replacement) We'll be up there after 1:00pm and shouldn't be hard to spot. Swing by if you know the neighborhood....
p.s. Cliff Coleman, you da man! Let's hookup before we go Streetsweep in Seattle.
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BMW & Hugh
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On 7/21/2000
Hamm
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Aaaahhh, yes. The obsessive/complusive disorder. Something I am all too familar with. Basically the story of my life.
Good luck Hugh.. I'll be following your quest.
Cya
Dave
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BMW... stud OR dud
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On 7/21/2000
hugh r
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Regardless of whether this board ends up being better than sliced cheese or not is of little consequence to me now...
It has become a sort of a grail (the holy type) and I am on a quest. (If I was seeing a therapist, she would tell me this is just another symptom of my obsessive/compulsive disorder) I will have this board. It matters not if it holds a spot in my quiver or upon my wall.
I will cronicle my journey on my site... it will probably be poor reading, however I will update it with news as it happens...
It would probably be best if you all chipped in and just bought me one, and presented it to me 3 days before my birthday at the dump road ride. It will save wear and tear on your mice as you scroll past my ramblings...
In the words of Garth... Oh yes, it will be mine... HR
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Inline
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On 7/21/2000
Ali
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...get inline?
Not bloody likely!
:)
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Chris Chaput protos
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On 7/21/2000
Cliff Coleman
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Yes that is the same Chris Chaput from the 70s. He is as great a skater as he ever was! The pros will have their work cut out for them when he gets a little more experience. This guy is truly one of the all time greats.
Cliff Coleman
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Garage built prototype
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On 7/21/2000 glens
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Is this THE Chris Chaput (pro skater from the '70's)?
I definitely agree w/ his comment on the BMW board--better left as a showpiece.
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garage built prototypes
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On 7/21/2000 cmc
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Wow! garage built protos that are faster than anything out there. Sounds very interesting and I can't wait to see your product. But can this proto still beat a turner through tight cones, bettert yet, can you manuever this proto through tight cones one footed?
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BMW and K2 kickboard
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On 7/21/2000
Chris Chaput
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FYI - The reason that the BMW has rounded (as opposed to flat) wheels is that there isn't a single axle to ensure that the wheels will stay flat when turning. As a matter of fact, the steering mechanism doesn't lean the wheels at the same angle, nor does it steer the wheels in the exact same direction! The angles are similar, but different enough to where the wheels would have to ride on their edges in a turn if not already rounded off. The K2 Kickboard has similar steering (check out: www.chrischaput.com/k2.gif) and uses either inline wheels or rounded rubber tires. Big round rubber wheels have value in certain situations. They are very forgiving when landing jumps in extreme sports (see www.chrischaput.com and check out the luge wheels we used in S.F. last week). They perform poorly however in 99% of real world skating situations. If you want a nice looking nonfunctional board to hang on your wall at home, get a BMW. If you want to hold onto a stick while skating, get a K2. If you want to skate something fast, functional and futuristic, you'll have to wait for my slow-poke attorneys to finish my patent application so that I can drop my BOMB on the skating industry later this year. I will unveil my wheel and truck system only after using them to beat up the competition in the upcoming downhill skateboard and streetluge season. Then and only then should you believe that mine is the real deal. Until then, go with what you know to already work. There are some great products on the market right now, but I have not only seen the future, I've skated it. My garage built prototypes are faster than anything out there today, and the machine built versions... ...get inline!
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BMW (again)
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On 7/20/2000 todcar
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Looking at those wheels in the picture where the deck is tilted, it almost looks like the wheel have separate edges for carving which form a V. So the contact patch would be small when going straight, but would increase as you put the wheel "on edge". This may possible also allow for a more snowboard like edge to edge riding style - know what I mean?
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