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Randals for MR.ZOGS....................
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
Click here for link
Check here man, i used Randals on my 1st set up, its got pics and discription of what i did.
White Kiro's all the way and i'm not a small fella, 150's if you got them.
Hope it helps.
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Hmmm... Z-Rollers or Randals...
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On 4/4/2006
Mr. Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Well, I'm finally getting around to finishing my converted Fibreflex 44" Pintail into a skumper... I'm cutting down the board to accomidate a 27" wheelbase and with a 3" nose... I'm gonna use Grippins (78a) or ZigZags (80/83a) with Biltin (7's) and I can't decide on which trucks to use...
I was planning on popping some Khiro whites and blues into my Randals and giving them a go for now (until I can get a Carver CX or RTR). Then I was wondering, what about my Z-Rollers? Z-Rollers are an older conventional truck invented mainly for the soul purpose of pool riding and grinding. They also have a sister truck known as the Z-Maxi, which has a urethane roller and floating axle and is used on street luges.
Anyways, the Z-Rollers have 8mm axles and aluminum rollers on them (to aid in grinding), and I believe a very slow turning geometry (slower than that of Trackers). The kingpin is near vertical and they seem to have a very bent pivot. I have always had them set up on my slider, but felt they were really turny and pumpable (for as tight as I had them). Are slow turning geometries good/better for long distance pumping than my Randals would be (whether it be a 150/160/180 hangar on the 50* plate)? I'm guessing I would wedge both ends for that extra "oomph."
I guess the only way to find out is to go and try it. I'm going to take off the "rollers" to drop some weight off the trucks and have a bare 8mm axle going through. I'm thinking that any truck with some khiro whites in it and a wedged geometry will turn like mad, I guess its now time to go and try it out. I'll get back to you with pictures and results.
Or maybe I'll just end up using my front and rear splitfires on it... Heh heh...
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the Trap be smokin!
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On 4/3/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Those are smoking fast times you guys are clocking there on the Trap! I see that you have definitely caught the eye of my rip-it-up skate pal, Jeff.
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top 5
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On 4/3/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for posting those tunes James, I'm always on the look out for new music and actually bought two of those albums on your list last night.
My top five head off in a bit of a different direction:
1. Jack Johnson - guitar and vocals
2. James Blunt - "Bedlam"
3. Keoloa Beamer - Hawaiian Slack Guitar
4. Cake
5. INXS
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TRAP pump session
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On 4/2/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Some fast Trap times this weekend, best cool down or warm up for a Cyber session. We just re-set the tape switch 2 feet longer after Cyber. Frees up your mind from the cones, gets your heart pumpin!
Corey Moy was on fire and set a new Cyber PR at 9.25, and it was INSANE watching Michael do a sub-8-second Cyber (7.981) on Saturday.
No pushing on the Trap this time -- all PUMP!
DK -9.982 12.022mph
JS -8.201 14.632mph
Jackman -7.621 15.746mph
Peters -7.575 15.842mph
Dong -6.902 17.386mph!!!
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groovin - whats yer Top 5??
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On 4/2/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Agreed! Tunes set a great cadence -winter I tend toward soul and funk - and by summer its grunge, latin, acid jazz, trance, bebop, lotta fast-paced stuff. The IPODs have a great user interface, to file away "sets" of tunes depending on the ride, then just let it play- will have to invest someday. Usually I try to find a good acid/trance DJ mix that runs an hour or more. I can't even say what's on Derek's mp3 player- he'd kill me, serious. Here's mine at present, always changin' but I tend to cycle these back in all the time...
1 Liquid Acid - Blue Notes 'n Smoke-trip-hop, jazz,funk- Full.mp3
2 United Future Organization_3rd Perspective- Full Album.mp3
3 Arturo Sandoval - Swingin.mp3
4 Medeski Martin & Wood - Shine it.mp3
5 Lost at Last - Trance.mp3
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music is a must!!!
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On 3/30/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
What a difference it makes to go for the distance pump with or without music. I have come to the conclusion that LDP'ing and music are a wonderful marriage. LDP'ing just begs for tunes......to pump is to dance on the board.....and what would dancing be without music!
I had an awesome 12 km skate this afternoon with my ipod mini shuffling away and the pumping effortless on my Sandpiper. It just doesn't get better than that!!! What a blast! I went fast and hard, then slower and sweeping, then fast and groovy....just depended on what was playing. Wow much better than late nights in a smoky nightclub jammed on the dance floor with way too loud music. Not for us long distance pumpers....nope, fresh air, spring sunshine, snow capped mountains in the distance, seaside pathway...and kilometres and kilometres of 'no touch' skating. You should've been here!
So if you haven't already discovered the magic of music for your long distance pumps, don't wait a second longer, find an mp3 player, load it with your favourite tunes and then grab your board and go skump!
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photo resizing
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On 3/30/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey James thanks for your suggestions about reducing the size of my photos so that the forum is kept sleek and speedy. I was actually able to do the resizing right on the photobucket site through the edit option. Cool, thanks.
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lemon-lime
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On 3/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
That's right Munchh, lemon 83a on the front, lime 80a on the rear.
It was thanks to the skaters on the 'fish that I went with the lemon/lime not the lime/red I was first considering. I thought that the 83a/80a duros would be too fast for me but in fact they are nice and fast but still amazingly sticky. Even a fairly inexperienced skater like me can tell the difference between this reflex 'thane and that of other slalom wheels.
Am loving the retros for sure and now have my sights on some 77a Pink Reflex Gumballs - they ought to be HOT, HOT, HOT!!!!
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zig zags
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On 3/29/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Erin,
Are the lemon on the front lime on the back?
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Adam
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On 3/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Adam, glad to know I'm close to a pro set up! Lucky guesswork by a newb such as myself.
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Math
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On 3/28/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
(67.189.nnn.nnn)
Tania wrote: What is 34,802 feet per second divided by 176 feet per second times 120 MPH
ANSWER: 34,802 feet per second. (Because 176fps = 120 MPH)
It is also: 23,728 miles per hour
Approx one trip around the earth per hour.
What is the point?
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Erin!
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On 3/28/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
LOVING that rocker setup! The toeblock.. the Limeys.. the risers! You're one pair of Seismic trucks away from my own pumping setup. If you ever get the opportunity, run ultra light springs up front, one or two levels stiffer at rear.. then hang on for dear life.
p.s. Geezer-X's 8mm axled Seismics are the only way to fly.
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LBL slalom stoke
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On 3/28/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Whoah James, coaching from Michael Dong! No wonder your skumping times are so fast!
And yeah what a great way to keep fit. I always have felt that the best way to keep fit is to do something you love and have the fitness just follow as an afterthought, a fringe benefit of having fun, as it were!
Well my Sandpiper has had some tough competition from its little sister the new LBL slalom deck in the past few weeks. I have been trying out this little rockered ripper by Larry and becoming more and more enamoured with it. My feet just lock in thanks to the rocker and the design and dimensions are really working for me.
Here's a couple of pix....
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meditative pump
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On 3/28/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Well Erin I may just be picking up a unicycle again, one of my coworkers commuted on his almost every day to work, even in the snow!? reading a book on his left hand and clipping overhanging branches with his right hand -- quite a sight! Sounds like something that could lock you into that same meditative 'groove', spawning great new thoughts that make the world a better place ;-)
That's why my commute times are much quicker than casual summer pumps on the boardwalk of Alki or Greenlake. Pumping the commute is focused, almost purpose-driven, and after having hit the course many times, just compelled to improve on the efficiencies both in form and in gear. Actually with the combination of Cyber, Michael Dong's been coaching and helped me discover which of my pump sides is least efficient. He's also been one of the few pros I've talked with at length on skumping and quickly recognized why we've developed a different, minimal pump style for long distance -- basically, conservation of energy! The aerobic fitness from all this makes casual weekend or evening pump excursions effortless, weekend cruises with the bros are still the best, we even stop at the Redhook Brewery off the trail sometimes mid-ride, then it really gets challenging afterward ;-)
Probably what I like most on the LBL is that very mellow and wide concave pocket up front for subtle adjustments in the pump -- both when at the fastest cruising speed, just barely pumping back and forth, and for going up hills. Munson and I talked recently about some of the trickier inclines he's conquered (he's still got that part locked better than I) and reading/adjusting to find the most gradual lines uphill.
My other LBL is closer to your Sandpiper shape though, and I still like its camber peak just behind the front foot- you can step right over it to crank up the speed whenever you feel the need, that board's got rebound! Dying to hear how your distance pumps have been going on the Sandpiper as well!
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cruising speeds
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On 3/27/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Whoah, pretty fast cruising speeds there James! The 16 kmph is usually my cruising speed on my 29 inch wheel unicycle...hey we'd be a perfect match....ha, ha, ha.....
As for the cruising speed on my LDP'er, I can't say I'm anywhere near that fast yet. Something to work towards though.
So what are you liking most about your LBL proto board?
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Math
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On 3/27/2006 tania
wrote in from
United States
(167.23.nnn.nnn)
What is 34,802 feet per second divided by 176 feet per second times 120 MPH
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commute speed
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On 3/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, was so jazzed on the LBL proto last week, put more miles than I normally would this early in the season. Pouring rain one day but just had to try out the new wheelz!
GPS points to a cruise speed hovering right around 10-11 mph, gotta do the push v. pump on the 12.5 miler sometime! The 2.8 milers in there are GreenLake laps with a buddy, lot of stop and go and just chillin -- the "other" side of skumping which is just pure kickin' back and enjoying the scenery. Alki beach and GreenLake are Seattle's best for that...
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wedges
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On 3/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey eagle eye!
U got it, its the only thing i want to change that front wedge. Mid tracks aie, really tight, the difference those wheels made is amaizing, the guys all practice a way away from me, but it doesn't stop me getting on it in my hood and when i can i'll get up to where they practice.
Its weird how my quiver is on its way to exactly how i wanted it, slalom, carving and bombing, there are a few carving decks, but alot of them are looking more and more redundant, but like i've said before, thats the life of a prototype! I've just marked one out for a reshape, its gonna be a GS/mid skump 36", its been reshaped twice already, so its certainly served its purpose?
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munchh mini pump deck
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On 3/26/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
sweet shape Munchh! the beginnings of becoming a bonafide gear junkie ;-) Might later increase the front angle with another riser, even more turniness for tighter courses - I've been running 85mm tracker mid-tracks double-wedged up front after taking a few turns on Jackman's AXE. Those racetracks will fit most anything from TS to GS. How often do the local bros do practice sessions? Best thing is ya got out there and hit it!
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Mini pumper!
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On 3/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
After going to the 'wasteland classic' race knowing nothing about slalom, 3 hours of trying to run cones, asking newbie q's and getting great pointers, i came home alot wiser and with a new set up that works.
28" x 8 3/4" birch ply, Tracker racetracks and those lovely 80a 66mm zig-zags (CC u did it again!), i made the deck a year ago and finaly decided not to mess about trying to use nearly good enough wheels and trucks.
So as i have no cones its a mini skumper, what fun, next time i might make it through all the cones and actualy clock a time??
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77a 76mm!
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On 3/25/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey julian, thanks for the notes - i've been testing 77mm Strikers on the Roe so I'm getting my data confused! Indeed, the Gummies are 77a 76mm (they FEEL like 85mm!!) and -- you've got a good eye on the trucks. The front is the 3rd gen. SplitFire narrow at 110mm and the rear is 1st gen. SplitFire wide at 127mm. Even a wide front wouldn't make it out to match the 10" width deck at the nose, but I still like the ability to crank faster pumps out of the narrower hangars - easier to climb hills. Still, I might just have to buy another front in the wide format, Gary will be pleased ;-) As long as you don't step out too far you won't tip the deck, that takes a little getting used to but I've been on an AXE lately with 85mm midtracks so the feel is similar. My bias is probably obvious - to stick with the 150s...be great to see your new setup once its dialed!
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corrections
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On 3/25/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(24.60.nnn.nnn)
The retro gummies use the same mold as the normal gummies (76mm) but are 77a in terms of duro
The front truck on Peters board is a 3rd gen splitfire truck I believe and the back one is one of the 1st gen RTX baseplated ones.
How wide are the Splitfires w/ the gummies on them, do they reach the edge of the deck?
I have some Avilas and R2 150s on a 45x10 homebuilt and they barely reach the edge of the deck: should i stick with the 150s or move up to the 180s?
Right now I'm just running a 10deg wedge with an 1/8 in riser underneath but might jack the board up a bit more to get more leverage and be able to run super loose trucks. I'll get some pics up when the board gets properly finished (needs varnish, art and grip still)
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Front Truck
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On 3/25/2006
Mark
wrote in from
United States
(68.191.nnn.nnn)
Hey James --- what is that front truck on your LBL?
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pink gummies
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On 3/24/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
ohhhhh, those pink gummies look soooooo yummy !!
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