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On 'Dork style' and board length
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On 4/21/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Toddc,
Good commentary! I never really thought about the decklength in regards to videos! Maybe I'm not really as 'dorky' as I appear on video, because I've always been filmed pumping a 33" slalom deck or a regular 31" street deck. However, we can't discount out the real possibility that I'm gonna be a dorkmeister no matter what I ride! Anyway, one day, when I learn how to post videos, I'll try to put something up..if for no other reason than the chuckle factor! But I think I'll take your advice and use my 43"longboard this time around!
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Thanks
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On 4/20/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the tips Erin. Yea, I started reading backwards in this particular forum and read the past month of two of posts and definitely seemed to be pointing towards larger wheels. I'm mainly doing shorter distance pumps in my company parking lot which has ultra-smooth pavement.
I do have a set of 75a Gumballs and 88a Strikers as well, but no board in that wheelbase range. I am looking at the Lush Bamboo Kilima dropped which is 44" with a WB33" (too long?) with my set of Holeys. Also looking at a Loaded Bamboo Vanguard since I liked the Oak version so much. I think I'm going to hold off on shopping for a LDP board (with CarverCX trucks is sounds like) for now as I have a park/bowl setup coming together).
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power to the pumpers....!
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On 4/20/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Wow!
You guys are really pushing, really good to see, Derek your back foot has the same sort of bounce as Erin has, was that something you had in mind Erin when getting the LBL dailed?
James seems to be more twisting his torso, as his back foot is pretty much flat on the deck, its the same as the way i think i pump my slalom deck around.
Its weired to think i never try pumping my skump setup like this, i always end up with my front foot doing most the work, i need to try that. Anyway all three of you are throwing the back end alot more than i expected, its alot of great stuff to work on.
I got a run this evening and managed to throw a rub on the front again, i wonder if a wedge would help stop wheel bite with the carver, i have 3/4"'s of riser with 70mm flashbacks, so i'm suprised you lot use bigger wheels?
Its great to actualy see your style and if thats your general speed, i still haven't got out of 1st gear!!
Cool.
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lonerider - wheel size
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On 4/20/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey lonerider, good to hear that you are experimenting with your set ups and wheel sizes for long distance pumping. I don't run anything smaller than a 76 mm wheel but that's because the pavement on my routes tends to have some really rough sections to it. I think the 70mm might work well if the pavement is smooth but somehow I'm not sure I'd want to go as small as 66mm.
As for risers, I used to kind of fuss about that but given that I don't really ever push my ldp board any more the height of the risers to clear the larger size wheels isn't an issue.
You may also want to try a sligthly longer wb if you have an appropriate board for it. Somewhere around 28 - 30 inches seems to work well over the long haul.
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super pumpers vid
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On 4/20/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Derek, that vid rocks! Man you guys have changed your skumping styles for sure.
James, you arms are very quiet now. You must be generating a lot of power with your legs and torso. It would be useful to have some shots from the front of the skaters too.
Derek, I like how your rhythm works with the beat of the music. You are getting more bounce from the deck. Was that because you were on James' deck perhaps and you are a bit heavier? You use more arm action and your shoulders face more forward than James'. Perhaps has to do with a difference in body type and height?
Really helpful to see you both in action. And good work filming from the bike - I can appreciate how tricky that must be.
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66mm vs 70mm wheel
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On 4/20/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
For flatland pumping, smooth pavement, which do you recommend? I know that smaller wheels accelerate faster off the push, but bigger wheels keep there speed up. What I don't know if where that line falls for these two sizes. I've previously been pumping with 81a Grippins on a 30" deck (19.5"WB) and 88a Flashblacks. However, I do have to add a bit of riser to avoid wheelbite (3/8") and was looking at the smaller wheels... anyone have an opinion?
Thanks
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skumpers of the world unite
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On 4/20/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on erin! glad you had a killer ride today :)
well- here's the video link. james was a bit sketched out when i told him i would make the video. i totally would have put some bad moves of his up here, if he'd ever make one ;)
http://media.putfile.com/silly-pumpers
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skumper's on fire!
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On 4/20/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Yay Derek! Can't wait to see the vid. You're crazy riding a two wheeler like that....get back on four will ya!
James, way to rip it up! Conquer the hills!
I had a wicked skate today myself! James, those tips really helped. Hands closer together, knees bent, shoulders facing forward....what a difference. Thanks for the coaching.
Just rockin to the ipod, I could've skated forever. LDP'ing just keeps getting better and better!
Skumper's are on fire. Its cool, its surfy, its twitchy...but dood the way it feels to skump...it sure isn't dorky!
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dorks
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On 4/20/2006 toddc
wrote in from
United States
(198.39.nnn.nnn)
longboard pump=cool and surfy
shortboard pump= twitchy and dorky
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james and the giant hill
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On 4/20/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
erin- i'm a total sucker for those "dare" bets. james and i went out and shot some video this morning from a bike. a bike is a lot harder to ride than i remember. i'll get something posted today.
and munchh- that's cool that you like that video. i was riding james' libtech on the big uphill. and speaking of james and the great big hill...
James was on fire today, climbing over the biggest hill on the trail for the first time ever- during warmups, nonetheless... that hill was the final barrier he needed to climb in order to skump the whole trail. and it's only april, for cryin' out loud.
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no copy cats!
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On 4/20/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
By the way, I must have missed Dereks comments, 8 posts back, because I was saying basically the same thing as he already mentioned. I just came across it in doing a quick review...but I agree completely. What seems and feels great, can video shoot completely awkward!
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video style etc..
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On 4/20/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
It is an amazing phenomena how pumping feels so great, but when seen on video, often looks completely dorky. However, its not so with all riders. When I view videos of myself pumping next to my nephew, I appear to be the geek, even though I can out race and out distance him everytime. Really, he looks very cool, smooth and in style. One explanation might be body height. I'm about 6'1. In our video he is about 5'8. I think a lanky frame makes for some pretty freaky pump videos, at least in my case. But then again not all of us are mean't for hollywood, I guess!
By the way, Erin....those vids of you really aren't that bad! They would be even better, I think, if you were using a shorter wheelbase...a lower gear, that is. Your style is pretty good! By the way, some day get back to me on your impression of the DP set-ups if you ever had a chance to get them going.
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On 4/20/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
Click here for link
Hey Derek,
are you in the 'entropy' vid on 'pavedwave.com', its the vid i always tell people to watch if they want to see what Skumping is, its my favorite anyway.
Nice one JP.
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trucks and pumping
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On 4/19/2006 toddc
wrote in from
United States
(68.123.nnn.nnn)
HC, that doesn't sound like you. Out of shape?
Regarding the CX's -I have it mounted on a 44" Pocket Pistol Ditch Killer. That board has an elongated nose., so I added two holes to the front and mounted it a truck length further than standard. I added a shallow wedge (reversed) and the CX rides flat, about 3/8" total added height. Not too high really. No wheel bit with 70mm ZZreds.
I find that it pumps quickly and easily up to speed. They ride great on that board. With the tail you can easily do an old fashioned tic tac into pump and get flying. r you can start it from a standstill. Yet to really test it on a hill - That's what RIIs are for - but at 15-18 mph it feels ok. 30 would scare me a bit on these.
I like how it feels though, and I am amazed at how much of a diff axle placement can make.
Regarding axle placement I also just got my first Radikal front. Dang cool. Design-wise, have you guys noticed how shallow the hanger is? The pivot is at least a 1/2" shorter than a similar angled Randall. Is that where the quickness in steering is coming from? More so or less than the bearings in the hanger?
I need to go to double reds on it and see how it feels when it needs some more weight. Riding it on a GS Wefunk with Airflow truck. Friggin sweet turning. Excellent cntrol and traction, but am only about 25% of the way as far as pushing it goes. Also super easy to pump. Added chicken style wedges and it is long but I feel locked in. Not a longboard but h-t-h it's about 23". Maysey's sig slalom model goes down to about 17.5" (which seems twitchy to me - perfect for him). And popsicles are 15.5. Not sure I can handle it on a shorter WB.
Maybe this should be in the trucks forum...
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On 4/19/2006 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.139.nnn.nnn)
i finally mounted my cx on my libtec longboard 24"WB , indy flat rear.
the swiveling action is interesting, much more restricted compared to the c7.
for LDP, I can see why peters was excited about this truck, it makes low speed pumping easier (more efficient) than a standard slalom setup, I ride it like in his videos, off the front with tight stance and not much arm swinging. But I am way out of shape and a couple of laps around the parking lot, i was out of gas already. And like Chris yandall said, one thing i don't like is that its unbalanced, my rear foot gets tired right away, almost want to pump parallel stance. Anyways its amazing you guys are pumping miles and miles.
for low speed carving, i wish it was turnier, maybe with even softer bushings? the stock ones are nice though. (Would like to get the RTR next.) Overall the steering feels vague, lacks that precise feel of a slalom truck. (I still love my GUS truck, peters, how do you like yours?)
for pushing, it sucks, way too high (to avoid wheel bite), at least it's not squirrely like the c7 that i tried before.
Hey peters, for something really different, you should get a snakeboard, or that freeline thing. i had a snakeboard before, they are fun, in some ways the cx is kind of a snakeboard/skateboard hybrid.
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more vids!
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On 4/19/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Derek, I dare you and James to put up a recent vid!!! Ha, ha, ha....humbling it is ...but hey I was brave enough to do it and I'm a rank beginner. Let's see some good form by the seasoned ldp'er among us! Bring it on bro! :-)
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pumping videos
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On 4/19/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
too funny munchh!
maybe that's why there are so few videos posted ;)
for me, the first time i watched my pumping form, it was like watching a horror film... or maybe just really bad comedy.
i was all slumped over like the hunchback of notre dame. this is a humbling sport, to say the least :)
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feels and looks.....
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On 4/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Derek,
your spot on, while i was away, we filmed a few runs on the DP's, it felt great like seeing those deep carves you see on all the vids....
Some hope, i look like i had a board up my back, but i'm sure i was getting low and bending more???
hehe...
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On 4/19/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
james and i are planning to get out tomorrow, and hopefully get some new video taken- our forms have changed quite a bit since the last time we filmed, and frankly, i find my old form just plain embarassing ;)
the toughest thing about filming though is that it never seems to look as good as it feels. or maybe that's just me...
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foot placement
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On 4/19/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
'Technique stalker', I really like that term Munchh. I have been that myself but there is precious little visual representation of LDP'ing on the net. Lots of talk but a picture can save a thousand words. I'd like to see more brave skumpers posting their vids so that we can share our styles and stoke and inspire one another.
I definitly find getting my front foot over the front truck mount really a sweet spot for LDP'ing. Even when I am skating in other styles I find my foot sneaking back to that familiar pumping spot now and then. I dunno about tipping the nose, hasn't been a problem for me even with the boards where the front truck is mounted right at the nose. Perhaps your rear foot is too far forward unbalancing the board that way?
It is tempting to go longer and harder at ldp'ing than one first intended to when setting out for a sesh because its just so much fun! And I have to be aware of conditioning muscles not used to the movements specific to pumping to avoid injury. So I can relate to your muscle soreness Munchh. I lift weights and stretch to help stay fit and prevent injuries but again once I get bitten by the pump bug on a long groove I just can't stop skumping....ahhhhhhhhhh!!!
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On 4/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Erin,
your so right, i've been a bit of a technique stalker the last few weeks, finding all the vids to watch of people pumping and skumping, it is very different all over, but foot placement is also quite varied, you and James both have your foot the truck alot of the time, but i cant get the hang of it, i keep tipping the nose???
As for muscles, i hurt my sides and stomach pretty bad a week or so ago, like you say a little too much/hard, but the left side of my back (waist) seems to take the most of it (front foot), this could be down to my tubbyness. hehe
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the boys...and their LDP'ing.
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On 4/19/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
"Nice to see the energy 'boys'!"
".. i could've sworn the original skumping site mentioned it was a blend of skogging and pumping..."
Things change Chris. ;-)
LDP'ing is evolving.
and,
most shocking of all,
its not only the 'boys'
that are doing it!
cheers,
erin
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hmmm Butt First Pumping?
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On 4/19/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
Oh jeez. People love pointing the finger and say HE SAID PUMPING WAS BORING! I like variety. I like to mix it up. So let me restate the "boring" issue. Pumping long distances is not my preference. Adding a skog to pump and pump to skog routine with a swtich stance pump here and there makes for a great outting in my hood. Since this thread is nothing but pumping, I should just STFU about skogging.
And I remember when this thread was just a baby. And I remember pumping the streets way back in the mid70's :D
Nice to see the energy boys! PUMP YOUR DECK!!!! PUMP IT GOOD!
cheers
Chris Yandall
P.S. i could've sworn the original skumping site mentioned it was a blend of skogging and pumping. i must be getting senile !!!! more ginko please!
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pumping...butt 1st..that is
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On 4/19/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Just responding to Chris'notions of Ld pumping getting boring. I'll have to join the chorus and say.. I have plenty of times been tired,and/or sore.. but never bored! It's too much fun!
OK, now that we've heard of different pumping stances and foot positions, and to reduce any potential, but not likely, threat of 'pump boredom', why doesn't anyone mention that pump style generally know as... butt 1st. Seriously speaking..I almost always include a little backwards pumping into my sessions, even if I'm not doing excessively long distances. Really, it's both fun and refreshing, but can be a little dangerous if you're not careful in making the transition, wherein, the heels of the feet start to lead the'pump motion'. Generally, once you got your pump motion going, which most of you know seems to come in the form of a "groove" of rhythmic circles, you can keep this motion while carefully starting to point your toes towards the tail of your board. Little by little, and without losing rhythm, your heels can start guiding the motion, giving the balls of your feet, which usually recieve most of the pump work load, a little rest. And many different groups of muscles are also used, including that part of the body sometimes known as "the anterior portion"...Ok.. the Butt! So a little word of advice for all you pumpers and would-be pumpers. When life gets you down, or when your skateboard parts are more than 3 weeks late...go grab your board, raise up your spirits, and...let your BUTT guide you to many new horizons!...oh but remember.. watchout for the telephone poles!
Any Butt 1st'ers out there? ..and I'm not referring to any type of San Francisco political party.. either!!
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pump styles
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On 4/19/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey Munchh, yeah I am wondering how different body types translate the long distance pump technique. That said I'll be working on improving my technique thanks to some 'virtual coaching' from James (thanks James :-) ). Hands closer together, more bend in the knees....
It will be interesting to see how the next vid will look.
It would be cool if others could post pumping vids. Action talks louder than words! And other beginners like me can see what the sport looks like and have an opportunity to compare themselves to other newbs as well as be inspired by those more experienced.
Yeah the Carver CX's are quite wedged in the front and the rear is slightly dewedged. And of course, loose front truck, to the point where the washer can be spun by hand....! The big soft Avilas just happen to work well for the rough pavement and bricks on my ldp'ing route. If the pavement was smoother I'd opt for some Zig Zags. I may give my 77a Reflex Gumballs a try on this route soon. It will be interesting to feel if there is a significant difference.
As for settting records, I'm kind of having a hard time getting into that as I find that pumping makes me just want to groove to the music and keep time with a skate pal. Kind of doesn't gear me up for setting speed records like slalom does. Just my two toonies worth tho.
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