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"no shoes, no problem"
On 5/8/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

Ooooooooo, OldStoke, you temptor...."no shirt, no shoes, no problem". 16 mile round trip - pumpable. Surfing, skiming.....ahhhhhhhhhh....

btw, did you see that sweet vid on the 'fish by the New Caledonia skater on his LBL - sans shoes? I thought you might like it.

 
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Flatland pump destinations
On 5/8/2006 OldStoke wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

We pushed the 8 miles each way, but you could have easily pump of course, to watch the launch of an Atlas 5 rocket carrying a communications satalite at Cape Canaveral. Ate fish outside at Port Canaveral, and skated back to the beach for more skimming and surfing. Under the influence of the Gulf Stream, not one of the thousands of surfers had anything more than a rash guard on.
Twenty four hours a day, no shirt, no shoes, no problems.

 
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now that's a dream come true
On 5/7/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

OldStoke, the way you describe Cocoa Beach is so dreamy....I can almost feel the sand between my toes and a new deck in hand... Definitely high on my list of holiday spots now....

 
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Cocoa Beach Board Shops
On 5/7/2006 OldStoke wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

Erin, not just a board shop, but TWO huge boardshops next door to each other. If neither one has what you want, you just hit one of the other shops along A1A, there are at least 10 others within a few miles of the center of town. The store I saw the G&S at had a display of Loaded boards with several examples of each model all equipped differently. The one next door had every model of Gravity and Sector 9, as well as a dozen other brands. Everybody surfs and skates, and if they don't they think of themselves as the oddballs.
For the ultimate experience go there Easter Weekend (we always do) during the Easter Surf Fest.
Every bar and restaurant we went into shoeless and carrying our boards had seen it a million times before, and no one batted an eye. Paradise indeed.

 
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Oooh. I love Dreams!
On 5/7/2006 Mr. Zogs wrote in from United States  (167.206.nnn.nnn)

Man... dreaming sure does kill you when you wake up. Imagining a Roe LDP or Bamboo LBL LDP w/ some Carvers or w/ full splits w/ Reflex Gummies or the new Speedvents...

Why can't the pool open up yet? (I'm a lifeguard)

Well, once summer comes around, my dreams may become a reality. After looking over my expected income this summer, some rockin' setups may make there way into my quiver. Just learned that when I do a "Private Swim Lesson" for a kid, its $60 bucks per hour... Quite a nice pay for teaching them to blow bubbles and dunk their head underwater... Heh...

So anyways, the reason for my post...

James, you gonna try the new speedvents for skumping? 77mm by 55mm and a nice 75a duro... Then again, the urethane depth is not as deep as a gumball or avila due to the core, but still looks promising cause it won't be as heavy as those other tanks. Kinda pricey though at 64 dollars for a set (4).

Also, I think someone has asked you this before (maybe me), but do you prefer your Splits over your Carvers for skumping it up? I have front and rear splits on one of my slalom boards and I may just have to go and transfer them over to my fibreflex skumper (when its finally done)...

 
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monster bolts...
On 5/7/2006 Munchh wrote in from United Kingdom  (217.42.nnn.nnn)

Peters man,

now i get why my carver has been giving me so much trouble, i'm short of about 1" of riser!!

Looks like another trip to the bolt shot, i should get my act together and start putting bolts on e-bay, 1 1/4" is about the limit anywhere and i've found a great supplier.

 
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narrow hangers
On 5/7/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

James, now you've got me really thinking about the narrower hanger idea. We've had three days for big, big winds this week. Gusts of 70kmp! Ohhhhh, yeah, it is definitely like pumping uphill!

I've got some Trackers rt front and an offset rear, can be 129 or 106 depending on how I set 'em up. Do you think they would even come close to how a Splitfire would feel for pumping? A poor person's version, pehaps?

I think I may just have to try them out some time. With the narrower truck I am thinking the pumping will have more of a precision feel to it, right? And does it almost force a faster cadence?

 
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Cocoa Beach
On 5/7/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

Wow, Cocoa Beach here I come. That places sounds like a great longboarders holiday spot! Complete with a board shop - a gear head's dream.

 
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pushin when its windy!
On 5/7/2006 peters wrote in from United States  (64.236.nnn.nnn)

Beachside cruising is the best, there's a little stretch on this side of the coast as well, down in Westport WA. and Erin's got Stanley park in BC which is exposed to waterfront for a good length. One thing that brings with it are occasional strong wind gusts -- which can make a flatland cruise very UPhill. when the wind hits hard, it gets kinda goofy pumping at 5 mph... for that I mix it up and push for speed.

To strike a good balance between a dedicated pumper thats low CG enough to be pushed easily (with big wheels, no less) -- I'm finding that wedged split-Fires work great, the pic here shows my CarverCX with 75mm avilas vs. SplitFire with 76mm gumballs, the gumball setup is an inch lower to the ground and never gets wheelbite! part of that's due to the fact the SplitFire is much narrower.

 
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FL Skating
On 5/7/2006 OldStoke wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

Erin, Cocoa Beach FL is the most skateboard friendly town we've ever been to. Perfectly flat, but longboards everywhere. We all skated everyday, and still had time to surf, skim, and fish. The brand new 3'rd floor Pro Skateboard dep't at Cocoa Beach Surf Co. is awesome. Hundreds of different decks in stock. That's where I saw the G&S pintail and knew I had to have one. When I went back later in the day it had been sold! I ended up ordering one from Fibreflex instead.
I liked the idea of a very light flexy minimalist board that looked surfy yet could handle gumballs with no risers on the tiny RII 150's. I also like that it still has a usable tail. It does exactly what I wanted it to, but never did I plan on it being set up for skumping. Maybe we'll check out one of those new pumping boards you guys mentioned. I still don't know how stoked I'll ever get with the discipline - you know me, if my feet don't get to touch the ground I'm missing half the fun!

 
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pump decks and ... skates?
On 5/6/2006 peters wrote in from United States  (64.236.nnn.nnn)

Erin you mean specifically LONG distance pumping! ;-) yep Oldstoke, RoeRacing just added a Pavedwave LDP board which has been in testing and refinement for over a year, and LongboardLarry just released an LDP as well that Erin rides, they're both up on their respective sites. I've reviewed the Roe LDP on pavedwave so I'll leave that there!

your Fibreflex pin should work well, the rest is just knowing what kind of trucks and wheels you're setting up with, be glad to assist!

the Freelines seem like sideways skates, I couldn't really endorse them because I haven't ridden them yet, but they look like crazy fun if you watch the quick vids. I'm pretty sure the guy that's flying between the pedestrians at mach speed has spent "a few" hours on them...

 
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pumping board
On 5/6/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

Hey OldStoke, how was Florida? Did you and your gang get some good skating in?

As for an excellent pumping board, not long ago there were no boards designed with pumping specifically in mind and now there are TWO. Can't go wrong with either I would think.

 
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Too Many boards
On 5/6/2006 OldStoke wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

Hey Peters, my son got his own "The Wave" yesterday, and who am I to tell him that he has enough wheeled toys already! My G&S Fibreflex 44 Pintail arrived a few days ago, and my other son is losing sleep awaiting his Jay Adams pool board.
Now you gotta tell us about this freeline thing or whatever it was called, they're gonna want that as well.
At least we can all share the family quiver. It's time that we build up an ultimate Skump'n board, since five of us can make use of it. Has there been a consensus yet on what the best all around pumping board would be?

 
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2 piece gadgets
On 5/6/2006 peters wrote in from United States  (64.236.nnn.nnn)

hey oldstoke, that 'wave' gadget sounds a lot like a snakeboard. I've found the 2-piecers fun to tool around on, parking lots, short rides - they do mimic some of the same pump motions. For longer distance I just want that extra 'snap' of energy from a nice pumping deck that creates more acceleration, and the energy rebound from compressing and uncompressing bushings. Plus for longer rides its nice to be able to hit a top speed then just cruise it with minimal pumps, which the swivelly doo-hickeys aren't as good at. Still, they're a lotta fun for what they do! Freeline skates seem to use that kind of motion too, and remove the bar in the middle entirely, might be worth testing out someday...

 
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switch pump
On 5/6/2006 derek wrote in from United States  (24.16.nnn.nnn)

you go erin!
switch pump. i love saying that. it just sounds so official...
one of the most helpful things that pumping switch has taught me is to keep my weight back on the board. my stance used to be way heavier on the front foot, which made inclines a bit trickier. when i started practicing switch, i still was distributing my weight unevenly and favoring my left leg. but since my left leg was at the back of the board, i was generating energy more efficiently. for a long time i rode all the inclines switch, until i figured out that all i needed was to balance my weight distribution a bit better to get the same effect.

 
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new jersey
On 5/6/2006 derek wrote in from United States  (24.16.nnn.nnn)

hey zogs-
isn't tom brown jr. from there? it can't be all that bad... :)

 
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switch pumping
On 5/6/2006 Ron Snyder wrote in from United States  (69.59.nnn.nnn)

I do at least a little switch pumping everytime I ride. It's really pretty easy to learn at moderate speeds. At slower speeds I can do it almost as well as regular. I start to feel sketchy when I get going fast though. For me the hardest part was learning to really lean into my frontside turns.

 
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switchin
On 5/4/2006 peters wrote in from United States  (64.236.nnn.nnn)

Cool Erin -- I've found pumping switch on very slight upgrades is where you really think about what you're doing, the timing of weighting and unweighting. Tricky, but totally do-able! At first it felt like I was using the footstop a lot for front leverage and now I'm trying focus on the pump more. The things I like about it are 1. that its like learning to ride a skateboard all over again, and 2. as you said, the benefit of muscle balance and going longer distances. I usually cross-step into switch and back, but have been trying more to just do a bunny hop between stances, can get kinda gnarly at speed!

 
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The Switch-Pump Challenge!
On 5/4/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

While doing my stretches this morning I came up with this idea. I am going to learn to pump switch! And I challenge the skumpers on this forum to join me. I plan to give myself six weeks to get down a good solid pump in switch. Who's in?!

I jumped on my LDP board and tried to switch pump right off the bat while gliding down the polished concrete of the long hallway of the loft building I live in. And, IT WAS HARD!!!

So next I grabbed my Drop Pin and tried to switch push and glide. Ahhh, much easier but I was still feeling a bit strangely like a newbie skater.

I figured a reasonable progression would be to cruise my seawall route with a conventional board pushing and gliding switch. Then add some slight hills and carving turns. Then change to the skumping board and try some easy pumps. Sound reasonable?

So off I went for my first switch-push session. Fortunately I have been alternating my pushing between regular and mongo for over a year now so that meant that today I didn't find pushing in switch stance to awkward at all. But gliding and carving were indeed quite foreign feeling while in switch.

I think it would be great to balance the body out while pumping and be able to draw for both sides of the body for power and strength. It seems logical that you could increase total distances skated due to increased endurance if you could change back and forth between regular and switch. Its an experiment I am interested in and would welcome input from any other long distance pumpers. Let me know what you think and if you are in for the challenge.

 
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Can you smell it?
On 5/3/2006 Zogs wrote in from United States  (167.206.nnn.nnn)

I sure can. That sweet sweet smell of Dirty Jersey! So if you feel like hopping on a plane over to the armpit of America... be my guest! Video soon!

 
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scoping out cyber spots
On 5/2/2006 Erin wrote in from Canada  (66.183.nnn.nnn)

We've had gale force winds that last couple of days here so no record setting cyber mile times to report yet...unless of course you let me post the times taken with the wind to my back!!!

Actually I have been mainly poking around all kinds of less used roads and industrial area dead ends looking for a good cyber mile spot. I have a couple that look good so next I need to get over there with a wheel and my bike computer to mark off the 1.6 km distance. Then look out - I'll be out there training for my cyber mile record time. Watch out ol' ladies. Get your dogs out of the way! Cyber Erin is about to be unleashed!

 
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party at mr. zogs place
On 5/2/2006 derek wrote in from United States  (24.16.nnn.nnn)

hey zogs!
where do you live? that track sounds like a dream...

 
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two piece articulated skumping board
On 5/2/2006 OldStoke wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

Some guy let my son try his recreational toy "The Wave", a two piece board connected by a sprung steel torsion tube with in-line skate wheels mounted on castors, one fore and one aft.
It was different, but it looked alot like skumping moves the rider was doing.
It got me wondering, has anybody experimented with a two piece articulated board for pumping/skumping?
I know this recreational board was a low-tech toy, but for distance pumping would the concept have some potential?

 
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Mmmm... Trap course...
On 5/2/2006 Mr. Zogs wrote in from United States  (167.206.nnn.nnn)

Heh... The cyber mile would rule! I ran the trap recently with my friend on a 176' course and I forget what my time was, but it came out to around 16.5mph or so for me, and 15.9 for him or something... I went to email Adam so I could post my times, but he never gave me a code or whatever... Oh well...

Anyways, my high school track was just redone, but they screwed up the synthetic top. So they stripped all that off and repaved the whole surface... Talk about SMOOOOOOOOTH!!! This past Saturday I pumped around it for an hour or so... Seemed effortless and time passed by really fast... I'm going to set aside a few hours one day and see if I can pump for like, 3 hours straight at a moderate speed... That should rule with some good tunes.

Oh yes... The fibreflex skumper is well on its way to being completed... Should be done in a week or so... I've been really lazy about getting around to it unfortunately. Also, expect to see a skumpin vid from me in a bit...

 
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BRAIN STORM.....love it!
On 5/2/2006 Munchh wrote in from United Kingdom  (86.142.nnn.nnn)

From

"...dont think i'll ever be doing the 12k marathons, but mabie i'll have a good go at the fastest mile?...."

to this in two weeks!!!

Thats why i love this forum, all on here just take hold of stuff and run like crazy and i mean that in the best possible way.

From someone who pretty much rides on his own, you lot are the nuts.
This place alows me to grind them gears in ways that just wouldn't be possible. Thanks.

My personal take on all this is, if i find by looking how 'everyone' is doing from everywhere, that it gives me something other than my own time to aim at than its all good. As for posting times, i'm as enthused as the next skumper, but i have a time problem and setting up a 'cyber'/ trap type thing on your own just isnt very practical, so when i finaly get to meet up with the guys and girls at HP or brighton or somewhere, i'll be keeping my times to post, but till then i'm just pushing myself.

Its all for the stoke.

 
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