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Pat... Tom... you're dumb asses.
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On 7/28/2004
Jesus Christ
wrote in from
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That's a terrible idea. Just like.. the worste. Document it? Why not just wait for the f#@!ing police? Tom, put the phone's volume up so the Sherif can hear gun shots? What the f#@! is wrong with you?! Gun shots are usualy fired at something, in this case Pat. You douche. Making documentation obvouse is dangerous as f#@!. He wouldn't just "crap his pants" because he'd realize he'd be in trouble and want to GET RID OF THE RECORDS... AKA Pat. The story's probubly not even true.
Jesus
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The evil cone runneroverer
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On 7/27/2004
tom
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Hey Pat,
I think you've got it.
Just keep the sheriff on speed dial, keep a video cam running where the driver doesn't have a clue, and whatever happens hit the speed dial and recite the punks license plate, car model and color and what not over your cell phone right in front of him and he'll freakin crumble. Keep the volume up really high on the camera so the sheriff can hear the part about the gun too! Always better to outsmart a total wanker than get violent...although sometimes you gotta do whachya gotta do.
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New York kicks ass
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On 7/27/2004
Jesus Christ
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New York kicks ass! I love reading about all these laws in other states about skatehoarding! In Manhattan, there is not a single rule about boarding. Once some cops stopped me to check it out. They took me longboard and held it at their wastes in a rather falic manner, thrusting into the air and making comments about pleasing the misses at home.
PS: I'm tired of people putting New York down as a bad place to longboard! I've been all around and it's still my favorite place! Weeving in and out of cars (I would never go on the sidewalk) and getting yelled at by cab drivers... that's the life for me!
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Parks and Helmet Requirements
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On 7/9/2004
Tom M.
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Hey NCL,
To extend the convo from Pools&Parks, this is how the IN law is stated regarding safety gear (I guess its a bit different from CA's):
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2001/PDF/IN/IN0141.1.pdf
There are other laws & definitions that cover the terminology used (e.g., http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2003/HB/HB1001.2.html, etc.), but you know how this legal stuff is...
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Riding in Bike Lanes
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On 7/9/2004 Espie
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Thanks David! I'll take my chances since there's so little traffic and the only cops I ever see are sitting in Starbucks. :)
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bike lanes
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On 7/8/2004
David
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Here in Colorado, it is illegal to ride a skateboard (or blade or roller -skate) in a bike-lane. some cities here like Boulder/ Louisville/Longmont I know that law is enforced. Up here where I live in Ft. Collins / Loveland it is not enforced (typically).
Usually, Skateboards are catagorized as a "toy" and as such cannot be ridden on
a public street.A bicycle,having been used on U.S. streets since before the turn of the century is considered a "vehicle". Often it seems the police will over-look the fact if you are not riding "dangerously" and /or in heavy cross-traffic, etc. However, IF someone complains, then the cops will brake out this law and they will cite you.
It varies from place to place, so you'll have to find out per your area and how strict they are in enforcement.
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Riding in bikelanes
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On 7/8/2004 Espie
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Is it generally cool to skate in bike lanes? The street I want to ride on has light traffic and I have yet to actually see a bike use the lane (it's the burbs, people drive SUVs or not at all.)
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Cape May
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On 7/3/2004 Rich C
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I seem to recall it got withdrawn due to the immense amount of negative feedback it got, presumably from the likes of us...
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Cape May Skateboarding Ban
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On 7/1/2004
jp
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Wondering if anyone knows what happened with this ban? I am going to Cape May for a week and want to bring my Landyachts Chief and Sherman Shrimp & Skate board with me and do a some skating.
Thanks,
JP
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suckercones
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On 6/11/2004 bones
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sketchmaster
fair comment
i hear what you are saying and have taken it onboard,
lets try not to drive over each others cones :-)
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Punch Up
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On 6/11/2004 Sketchmaster
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Bones: No guns doesn't mean that the worst case scenario is an old fashioned punch up. Plenty of people were sent early to their graves before firearms were even invented. Where I grew up everyone (except me) had this concept of "fair fighting". I coined the phrase "If you don't like the way I fight then don't pick a fight with me". People get all b*tt hurt when they get all comfortable kicking my ass around and I pick up a brick or pipe or whatever I find laying around the city. When you work someone with a brick it hardly looks like a "punch up" when you're done. Fighting fair is for losers.
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sucker cones
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On 6/10/2004 bones
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hey you guys
the sucker cones idea is absolutely fantastic
i live in the uk so nobody carries guns so the worst case scenario is a good old fashioned punch up,
we get quite a few problems with what we call "boy racers" where i live thinking it is funny to drive over our cones,but maybe not for much longer,
thanks guys you have just made my day
bones
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Chewning's Cones
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On 6/9/2004 Sketchmaster
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As far as the gun goes: He's a fool. Out here the threat is probably justifiable cause for a legally defendable homicide. The storage of a firearm at a remote location is useless for that fool and the threat of its use is counterproductive to his cause (he's already given up the element of surprise which is invaluable in any violent confrontation). Your rock in the hand is way more deadly than his gun miles away. The first person I ever sent to the hospital was sent off with a head injury from a rock. His whole forehead peeled back like the flapper lid on a McDonald's garbage can. That was just one hit. I could have easily finished him off if I had wanted to. AAAhhh... sweet memories. It seems like it was just yesterday. My discretion would have led me to smash that guy up way before he got a chance to talk any smack (but I live in the ghetto and when people do that crap to you in the ghetto they are not trying to scare you but are trying to hurt you). Anyway, I can only hope that the dork learns first hand what rocks can do.
P.S. : I, too, recognize that behavior of individuals performing a given activity is perceived by others as indicative of the general population of individuals that engage in said activity. I, however, disagree with Adam that the image of slalomers as pacifists that willingly submit to any abuse that is directed towards them is a positive image. My only concern is that a defensive cone might present a danger to someone that is not involved in the conflict. My vote is "No" on the cone and "Yes" on the rock. Only hits count.
Let the negative ratings begin... Vote early, vote often.
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Sucker Cones
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On 6/6/2004 longboard dude.
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Hey Pat, sounds like the guy got serious issues. Don't waste your precious time on him. 911 him if you have to. Is there such a thing as indestructible cones? Something sponge like that brounces back and begs for more abuse.
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hassles
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On 6/6/2004 hugh r
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Threatening some one with a gun (even if it's not with them) is against the law... if your local sherrif won't persue it... call the fbi, because they will.
It's commonly referred to as a terrorist threat, and is a huge deal these days... much bigger than whether or not your allowed to skateboard at a paticular place. Don't take threats of violence lightly... lurching his car at you can also be considered assult.
Ask the cops what they do when some one lurches a car at them... they shoot the person in self defense. HR
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Sucker Cones
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On 6/6/2004
Pat Chewning
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Yes, probably a bad idea. Any good ideas to deal with a#@! drivers running over cones?
-- Pat
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Security
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On 6/6/2004
Adam
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"Sucker cones" are a terrible idea.
By disabling the driver's car you are guaranteeing that the driver must stop and get out of his car to investigate. Once he sees how his tire(s) were ruined he will be mighty pissed off. Some people carry guns in their cars; most carry cell phones.
At best you'll cause a complaint and a cop coming to hassle you. The evidence will be obvious for him to see: A punctured tire, a booby-trapped cone, and a scofflaw skateboarder who so cleverly caused it. Since we're talking about affecting the safety of a moving vehicle the charge would likely be more serious than simple vandalism.
At worst you will get shot and perhaps killed by the driver.
In both cases you will be damaging the public perception of slalom.
Wise up.
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Security
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On 6/6/2004
Joshua Burt
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Pat-I think the sucker cones are a GREAT idea!I have personally seen you being threatened with gun violence,and it will not be tolerated.Being a veteran and an avid martial arts student,I am in touch with several locals with similar backgrounds.Many of them work as private security,instructors,police officers,or 'bounty hunters',and have concealed weapons permits.The situation you described is just cause for citizen's arrest,and would easily be prosecuted in a court of law.Need some skate buddies?
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Protecting cones against cars
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On 6/6/2004
Pat Chewning
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What do you thing about placing some "sucker" cones on the street? These would be cones that are set not for slalom, but in case some a#@! decides to run over the cones. These "sucker" cones would be placed over a circle of sheet metal with nails or spikes that would be covered up by the cone. When the car hits the cone, the nails or spikes would puncture the tire.
Good idea or bad?
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Welcome Wagon -- with a gun?
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On 6/6/2004
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
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I found a really nice street to practice slalom on that is only about 3 miles from my house. It is a temporary location because it is destined eventually to become a major through-street that will divide a new neighborhood. The road is closed at both extreme ends, but open to cross-traffic about midway. I set up on the lower portion of the cross-traffic location to avoid going through an intersection -- especially one where the neighbors are not used to traffic yet and most of them just blow by the stop signs.
So the last time I was there, a car came down this closed street. The guy started to yell at me that "this is a private road" "We don't want skateboarders hassling us" etc. I ignored him and proceed to walk back up for another run, resetting a few cones I had knocked down.
So he takes his car and starts running over the cones. I see that he is headed right at me, so I move to the side. He swerves towards me. I run off the side of the road and aquire a big rock for protection. He stops right before me and "lurches" his car towards me. I raise the rock in defense, I'm ready to smash the windsheild.
He gets out, yells at me some more and says that he has a gun at home and "don't think I won't use it".
Then he leaves, running over a few more cones.
I've researched this road. It is not private. I had already written to the county and while they didn't give explicit permission to skateboard there, they did confirm that I am not prohibited from skateboarding there.
So I report this guy to the sheriff for destruction of property (cones), assault with a vehicle, and threatening me with a gun.
I plan to go back and skate there again (as soon as rain stops), but I will go armed with documentation of the status of the road, the sheriff on speed-dial, and a camera in case there is trouble.
I'll keep you posted.
-- Pat
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Washington State Law
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On 6/6/2004
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
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The original poster (Ian) said that the reason they don't allow skateboarding is because they are afraid of being sued.
My response was just that they probably don't know that they are protected against being sued by Washington State Law 4.24.210
However, any land owner can prohibit skateboarding for other reasons, or no reason at all.
-- Pat
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Wa Law
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On 6/4/2004
Deano
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Pat,
Use the "read on" theory when reading state laws. I do not have the exact RCW but there are specific places the state has outlawed skating (search the WA website for skateboards and you will find the exceptions) and the capital grounds is one of those places another is at EWU of all places.
The biggest problem I have had is being threatened with reckless endangerment. This has happened numerous times and I think the only reason I have not been arrested is due to my age, safty gear and treating the officer with respect. I told one cop that I thought what he did was reckless, he has to put on a bullet proof vest to support his family, but that it was his training and experience that made him feel safe.
He seemed to understand this and let me go....
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Washington State Law
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On 5/16/2004
Pat Chewning
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Hey Ian,
It sounds like they don't even know their own laws. Washington, like Oregon and other states, have adopted "recreational use" laws that limit the liability of a landowner (including the government) if someone gets hurt while using the land for recreational purposes. This specifically includes skateboarding (under Washington law).
So if this is the ONLY reason they don't want you skateboarding, then you could point this out to them when you seek permission next time. (The law does not give you permission to skate, it only limits the liability of the landowner when you do skate -- with or without permission.)
NOTE: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Use at your own risk.
Here's the law:
REVISED CODE OF WASHINGTON
RCW 4.24.200
Liability of owners or others in possession of land and water areas for injuries to recreation users -- Purpose.
The purpose of RCW 4.24.200 and 4.24.210 is to encourage owners or others in lawful possession and control of land and water areas or channels to make them available to the public for recreational purposes by limiting their liability toward persons entering thereon and toward persons who may be injured or otherwise damaged by the acts or omissions of persons entering thereon.
[1969 ex.s. c 24 ‰ 1; 1967 c 216 ‰ 1.]
RCW 4.24.210
Liability of owners or others in possession of land and water areas for injuries to recreation users -- Limitation.
(1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (3) of this section, any public or private landowners or others in lawful possession and control of any lands whether designated resource, rural, or urban, or water areas or channels and lands adjacent to such areas or channels, who allow members of the public to use them for the purposes of outdoor recreation, which term includes, but is not limited to, the cutting, gathering, and removing of firewood by private persons for their personal use without purchasing the firewood from the landowner, hunting, fishing, camping, picnicking, swimming, hiking, bicycling, skateboarding or other nonmotorized wheel-based activities, hanggliding, paragliding, the riding of horses or other animals, clam digging, pleasure driving of off-road vehicles, snowmobiles, and other vehicles, boating, nature study, winter or water sports, viewing or enjoying historical, archaeological, scenic, or scientific sites, without charging a fee of any kind therefor, shall not be liable for unintentional injuries to such users.
(2) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (3) of this section, any public or private landowner or others in lawful possession and control of any lands whether rural or urban, or water areas or channels and lands adjacent to such areas or channels, who offer or allow such land to be used for purposes of a fish or wildlife cooperative project, or allow access to such land for cleanup of litter or other solid waste, shall not be liable for unintentional injuries to any volunteer group or to any other users.
(3) Any public or private landowner, or others in lawful possession and control of the land, may charge an administrative fee of up to twenty-five dollars for the cutting, gathering, and removing of firewood from the land. óóóó Nothing in this section shall prevent the liability of such a landowner or others in lawful possession and control for injuries sustained to users by reason of a known dangerous artificial latent condition for which warning signs have not been conspicuously posted. Nothing in RCW 4.24.200 and 4.24.210 limits or expands in any way the doctrine of attractive nuisance. Usage by members of the public, volunteer groups, or other users is permissive and does not support any claim of adverse possession.
(4) For purposes of this section, a license or permit issued for state-wide use under authority of *chapter 43.51 RCW, **Title 75, or Title 77 RCW is not a fee.
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Use a Little Sense....
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On 5/12/2004 OldDude
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People...
Use a little sense when it comes to boarding. The fellow who said "be glad you're not in Iraq" is right on the money. America is the best place to be; if you were in Iraq and chose to be rebellious, you'd be shot..or worse.
People really do have better things to do than hassle skateboarders. I've been skating since '75, and have seen 'boarding outlawed in many locations. Usually it was the result of somebody breaking or damaging something, or acting like a real jerk when questioned about what they were doing.
The cop who said he was trying to keep people from bringing lawsuits against the government is correct; it happens ALL THE TIME. People who do stupid things, then sue because of it. People are no longer accountable for their own actions; they'd just as soon blame their misfortunes on someone else, then sue'em for it!
I'm over 40 years old, and have experienced as many hassles as anybody else on this board. If you feel you've been slighted, direct your energy in a fashion that can help you resolve your issue. And do it calmly and sensibly. You'll never win arguing with a cop in a parking lot; but if you wear some decent clothes and go to the town council meeting, express yourself reasonably and in a non-confrontational manner, you might get something done. One voice can make a difference, just use it with a little good sense.
To the fellow who said he received points against his drivers license for boarding in a parking garage: dude, get an attorney, or at least contest the charge in court. Cops aren't lawyers; they screw up constantly, and their interpretation of the law is often wrong.
I am probably looked upon as an old man by many of you, but I've fought plenty of battles over the years, and figured out there's a better way to get your point across than flipping someone the bird, spraypainting a wall, or running when the cops threaten to ticket you. Take responsibility for what you do, and handle the situation in a fashion that makes a difference; not one that makes it more difficult for those skaters who will follow you.
OldDude
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Department of Natural Resources
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On 5/10/2004
Ian
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If you ever are in Olympia WA, go to the capitol builing and walk across Capitol way to a massive State parking garage under the department of natural resources building. Its one of the best downhill maze ever. The parking lots are built down into the ground in the form of switchbacks, with about 300 ft between each turn. There are 5 levels, and the place is huge. But... the state patrol has 24 hour patrols of the campus and the garages are part of their tour. I recieved a citation at 4 in the morning, A MOVING VIOLATION THAT WILL GO AGAINST MY DRIVERS LICENSE, 100 dollars, and I am 86'd off the Capitol Campus for a year. Thats means I am denied my right to participate in the administration of my State. The thing that pisses me off is that it was a state building, we were bombing the hill(Not grinding, marking, no damage), and the cop stated that the main reason for the illigality of our offense was the State's fear of Law suits. Since when can government make laws to protect itself against law suits from the citizens? Since when has it been American to place a non-tangible entity with the ability to defend itself into the role of authority. Does anybody else see a major problem? But the point was longboarding.
I think this is the 5th time I have been hassled by the cops. All other times I told them i was ignorant of any such laws, and they let me off with a slap on the wrist. So I f you run it and get caught, tell them you had no idea. Other than that, its a killer ride.
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