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Shoe rubber
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On 5/11/2004 Duane
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Motorcycle tires don't have steel belts, and are thinner, much better for shoe brakes. You can also get thin natural gum rubber in sheets at www.mcmaster.com, it is the same as you will find on the bottom of Van's, which are my fave for skating and braking
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Footbraking
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On 5/11/2004 Shredder
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To prevent my brake-shoe from rubbing down too fast I shoo-goo the profile part of a car tire under the sole. It's a real pain to separate the profile from the steel belt (I rip out the wires with a pair of pliers), but you'll get a grippy brake, which will last very long...
Flat spots also slow you down in the next heat, so I try to conserve my wheels...
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Slide and Speed
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On 5/11/2004 proehljm
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Alot of people have been talking about sliding and at what speed is good to learn at etc.... Personally from all that I have read from posts, experience myself with boarding and speed and using a radar gun is that the majority of people have no idea what speed they are really going. you can slide at 5 mph, though most people can walk briskly at 5 mph (12x5=60). Alot of people claim that they are sliding at 45 mph etc. Personally I have rarely gone that fast, and doubt I would be anytime soon can't get my board past around 35 on the hills I bomb. Remember this guys. 10 mph is twice as fast as 5 mph, 20 mph is twice as fast as 10 mph, and 40 mph is twice as fast as 20 mph.
As far as learning Isabelle's point was simple, figure out what you are doing and how it feels before you try to do it really fast. For people claiming that they learn at 20 or 45 mph then either you are extremely lucky or don't know your speed. If you have ever falling at these speeds you understand what I am saying.
Wear a helmet and some pads when learning when you actually stop bombing. wearing a helmet is hard, i struggle to do it everyday.
Thanks Isabelle for supporting safe riding.
(Though your video on your page has you bombing / sliding ) w/o a helmet :-)
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$cost
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On 5/10/2004 isabelle
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Wheels cost big bucks, but shoes ain't cheep either.........
BUT Skating is an overall inexpensive sport....so go out 'n RIDE/SLIDE yourself silly....it's all good a long as you're safe!
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Smoothness
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On 5/10/2004 isabelle
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First, Thanks to Arab's compliment and HIS WHOLE family rocks, especially him and his son, Nathan.
As far as sliding videos, go to Garvityboard.com at watch the team rider videos. Once you've seen what can be done, BUY the Flow DVD and REALLY WATCH the whole RIP!
Lastly, Happy Belated Mother's Day to all the chickita's out there and yes, GIRLS RIP TOO!
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Slides at races
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On 5/10/2004 Shredder
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...and a slide at the end of a race will probably flat- spot your expensive soft racing wheels. Footbrakes are a must for racing!
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Superman and Speed
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On 5/10/2004 Shredder
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Hey Ben,
as far as I know, a superman is a head- first flight off your board (probably followed by a hard crash). 360's are possible- and even more, some guys in my team even do 1440's. We'll put a vid on our page soon- promise...
Concerning speeds for sliding there is an important factor to be considered- wheel duro. You can slide a hard wheel at slow speeds and learn or slide a hard wheel at much speed directly into the hospital (I've done both). You can also try without success to slide a soft wheel at slow speeds or make nice controlled slides at high speeds (and cry because you just flat- spoted an expensive set of wheels). The art of sliding also included adjusting you slides to your setup...
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Sliding
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On 5/9/2004 Arab
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La Costa 2001-Friday before the Slalom race, we were there setting the course,bleachers etc, all of a sudden from above where the start of the slalom race would be the next day I see some crazy chick bombing down the hill, I'm thinking what the f#@! is that chick doing, shes out of control, she is gonna eat s#@!, I almost didint want to watch the carnage that was about to happen, in all my years I had never seen a girl go that fast on a skateboard. Then all of a sudden the chick slams it side ways and slides about 50ft, kicks it back around and then slides again like nothing ever happened.
That was the first time I ever met Isabelle
I'll tell ya this, I have seen her race slalom, charge downhill, tear the s#@! out of vert and cruise with all the style and grace of a ballerina.
IZZY has bigger balls then most guys I know and she can slide at 5mph or 35 mph with ease and style like no other.
Happy Moms day IZ, tell Mitch and Russell I said Hi!
Skate Chics ROCK!
Oh and I tell ya this, 2 of the best sliders in the world happen to be 2 of the oldest, Cliff and IZZY! and thats a fact!
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Foot braking - move feet while turning
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On 5/8/2004
Pat Chewning
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I find that when I need to foot brake at the end of a slalom run, the following works for me (regular foot, mongo push and brake):
1) Make a couple of "slowing" turns. These are to set a rhythm and to barely slide the wheels a little for some slowing.
2) I do a fairly hard left turn, then when I unweight for the right turn I bring my back (right) foot forward and centered on the board.
3) I then place my left (front) foot lightly on the pavement while concentrating on really driving my right knee forward and placing a lot of weight on the board. Actually, I think I drive the knee forward first, then place the brake foot down.
4) Now I slowly start adding pressure onto the (left) braking foot, still keeping the right knee driving forward on the board.
I find it easier and more stable to move my feet in a turn, or in the transition from turn-to-turn than it is while going straight. I find that really driving the knee forward gives good balance and one-foot steering during the brake.
Might work for you?
-- Pat
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Speed and slides...
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On 5/8/2004
Miko
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I've thought a lot about what's different with slides at 30mph vs. slower stuff and here's my *short* take on it.
Many people get really hung up on learning pendulums and power slides, which I believe are very useful techniques.
The part where I think it's a *hangup* it that these aren't perceived as a normal smooth extension of the flowing momentum and the edge of traction found in turns using gravity for that momentum. If there's not enough slope, or continuous available speed, things just peter out, and the slide indeed is more about braking than *feathering* or modulating your speed and continuing on, as a part of the normal arc of a carve, with a release into another opposite directional arc.
Not a huge differnce, but my hope is that instead of having the rider become fixated on learning a trick, they focus on smooth functional turning, and become skilled at only slightly braking, and continuing on down the hill, carving soul arcs at any speed smoothly.
After a fair amount of this kind of riding one finds that elusive edge of traction-with-momentum where a pendulum will be successful because it's happening where it will truly be most useful... At speed.
Or to put it in ridiculous terms... you can't put on the brakes if you're not moving. Harder wheels bring things into proportion at lower speeds.
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360s
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On 5/8/2004 Ben
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My question is can you do a 360 when sliding? I know you can do two 180s and call it a 360 but is it possible to do a continues 360. If it is i would love to know how to do it becuase i have been trying to figure it out for a long time. What other kind of advanced slides can you do? I believe that i can do all of the fundemental stuff well and just wanted to know what else is out there. And what is a superman? Thank you for any help anyone can give me.
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testosterone free???
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On 5/8/2004 vaitus
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testosterone is good, too much is bad...
methinks a slide is slide at 5 or 25 mph, if you know what you're doing you will adapt your approach accordingly, and by approach I mean mixing in the right doses the various techniques used to slide, like unweighting, torqueing, speed, choice of equipment etc.
surfacemotion.com has an oustanding tutorial about this stuff, the sliding part is actually aimed at sliding a big cruiser board on the flats, but the tecniques described apply to all sorts of sliding.
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sliding
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On 5/7/2004 isabelle
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I completely agree. I'd NEVER slide at the end of a race, except if I came in last......I'd HATE to be run over from behind; that would suck and hurt bad.
Thanks for the reminder...I always footbrake at races unless I'm 100% SURE there's no one behind me.
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Speed
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On 5/7/2004 isabelle
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Dropping a mini-ramp is not exactly like dropping a vert ramp, BUT MUCH IS THE SAME.....
So of course slides at 5 mph aren't exactly like slides at 30mph.....
My point, start slow, increase your speed as you get better....
I was just calling bulls#@! to someone's post claiming that all slides must be done at high speeds. That is a VERY DANGEROUS, misleading comment.
I slide from 5 to 35 and adjust my slides to my speed JUST AS I adjust myself when I drop a 3 foot mini-ramp versus a 13 foot vert ramp...DDDUUUHHHHHH guys......
Just trying to keep the sport fun, testosterone free..........skate or die!
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what they said...
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On 5/7/2004 vaitus
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...and I'd like to add that you can practice the foot braking move at home whenever you want, on a wobble board or an indo board. obviosly all skate "tricks" involve some sort of balancing on one foot and or switching stances, and those balance drills will help a lot.
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What he said
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On 5/7/2004 Duane
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I've seen the carnage PSR talks about when slides are performed after the finish, or at the bottom of a downhill run. I've seen 2 broken wrists, and several more bad slams, one right onto the (helmeted) head. That's a shame after a clean heat, then to go down for weeks when someone busts a showboat pendulum in the cool-down area. I'd like to see DQ's at downhill comps for such needless dangerous behavior. Footbraking, or a series of little slides, makes much more sense there. I'm trying to master the sit-down footbrake I've seen by some of the better riders, you can stop mighty fast and straight that way.I really like footbraking for urban riding, I can skate busy sidewalks and the foot drag makes enough noise that people look and see you coming, and give you an opening. I learned footbraking as a litle kid, I just got back my Grentec GT from the folks, its in really good shape, I can't believe I rode that damn thing down big hills, that was crazier than 50+ on my current skates.
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Footbraking and Sliding
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On 5/6/2004 PSR
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There's a place and time for both types of slowing/stopping.In a race,a slide can be a bad move,as your nearest competitors may have other plans for that piece of the road,so footbraking is a safer bet for all in tight quarters.At a Race's End,that's a really good place to footbrake,as slides will cause collisions easily.In urban traffic,footbraking is KEY to surviving the surge and flow.It also is good when you want to preserve some momentum,but with the Possibility of stomping on the binders.{(I noted that back a few posts,someone mentioned using a "heel-first" approach.That's fine,but please try for light contact of the entire shoe.It's more effective,and your shoes stay on your feet during long stops.I know,I've lost Vans slip-ons from heel-dragging,and stopping one-shoed is by far worse...)} However,I've noticed that certain pitches make you really think twice about footbraking.Above an 8% grade,sliding is a better means to burn off speed,as it's more predictable in and out of turns.Turning on steeps does slow you,but there times that it's not possible to keep fluid carves going AND still burn off speed.In those spots,footbarking will upset your turn rythym and timing,where Sliding can just be another part of the turn.When sliding is just an extension of your planned turning rythym,then it becomes a very useful skill to own. I mentioned earlier that grabs combined with footbraking is pretty potent in adding pressure to the feet.Grabbing while sliding can add both Style points and aid in stability.If you revert during a slide,a timely grab can pull things back in line very nicely.Obviously,grabbing the rail mid turn,and pushing into a drifting slide is a move everyone who bombs hills should be aware of.Maybe that's not 'stopping',but hey,any speed that's shrugged off smoothly counts. Last word on this: always try for a return to the board's center to maintain control. If you hang out too long in a "pose",you'll get stuck,and not be back in the flow with your board.
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isaiah's coment
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On 5/6/2004 Scott S.
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I couldnt have said it better myself.
isaiah i agree with you 100%, you dont want to force anything.
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5mph!?
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On 5/6/2004 isaiah
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slides at 5 mph arent performed the way slides are at 20 or 30 mph. at 5 mph your making a bad habit of jerking and forcing the board toward you. Which gets you to slide a little at 5 mph but all it does at 20 is rip the board out from under you as you slide down the rest of the hill on your ass. Turn you weight from your legs into slides, not from your arms...
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Slow Slides
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On 5/6/2004
EthanOB
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Yeah, I agree with Isabelle. I learned to slide on a gentle slope of smooth blacktop with hard (90something duro Flashbacks) wheels at low speeds. Mostly around 10mph. Only took a weekend to learn to slide to a stop using that setup.
If you've got a real smooth surface & hard wheels and a slope you can even learn to pendulum big boards like the Ed Economy pretty easily. I have only recently discovered how much fun huge (50"+) boards with hard wheels are. Even makes pulling slides on the flatland fun.
Aarg. Now I'm jonesing to sk8 but I'm stuck in my cubicle! Aarg! Somebody who isn't @ work should go out and rip it up for me.
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Slow slides
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On 5/6/2004 Duane
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I've seen a lot of good sliders crank one at 5-10 mph. Usually you do have to unweight the board a bit at those speeds. The "slopestyle" contests held at a few of the comps featured many slow slides. Certainly many of the trick slides in skateparks are at that speed as well.
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Jokes
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On 5/6/2004 isabelle
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I'm no good at telling jokes...I always screw-up the punch line
AND YES YOU CAN SLIDE AT 5mph.....
the NOISE of a slide is unique, can't fake it with a pivot....
so just 'cuz it's slow doesn't make it wrong or fake, just slow!
I preach safety and having newbees start out too fast is cruel/dangerous, so I promote control and taking baby-steps with regard to speed......
This has worked for numerous females that I've gotten into downhill (first thing I teach is a power slide to STOP) as well as local high school surfers/men,
so before you call me a kook, try it yourself!
SMILEs....skate or die!
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5 mph?
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On 5/6/2004 Scott
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Are you joking me? 5mph? thats not a slide that is just a pivot, be reasonbale. I slide anywheres from 20 - 45mph
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room enough to slide
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On 5/6/2004 isabelle
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If you're room to skate, you've room to slide, just get good before you try it on a narrow road and remember you don't want to be ran over from behind. I NEVER downhill without a car spotting me from behind....no sport is worth dieing for!
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toesslides/360s
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On 5/6/2004 isabelle
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To see THE MAN of toes slides, check out Gravityboard's Sergio Yuppie....this MAN RULES high speed sliding on regular skateboards; hard wheels, small decks, regular trucks. He does 4 wheel 360's from both toes/heel side AND goes superman when he wants to, not by accident.
He's one of my mentors for sure!
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