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faltown photos
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On 9/14/2004 boydinaus
wrote in from
Australia
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just great photos, knee sliders as well?
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Faltowns New video
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On 9/14/2004
Chris
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(84.12.nnn.nnn)
Just to let everyone know that there is now a quicktime version of the new movie for all you maccers out there!!
Cheers
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New and Old rides...
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On 9/13/2004
Miko
wrote in from
United States
(69.19.nnn.nnn)
Yeah... I still miss that Skull Skates deck. They make one a *tad* smaller called the 'Slash Dog' that's pretty sweet as well. Awesome quality.
That Bulldog looks pretty amazing as well... but 10.5 wide?
I finally just dummied up and bought a used 36" Comet Downhill Spoon. I've always liked those decks... all of them... 40" 44". The 36" has a 21.5" w/b... exactly the same as my GS w/b on my ICK slalom stick, so it will be in the right ballpark consistency wise. I'm tempted to set it up with wedged slalom trucks and an offset on the rear. We'll see. I want it to be a great all-rounder, but also be a good slider with the right wheel choice. (88a 65mm No Skoolz). I'll learn those 2-handed and flim-flam slides yet!
Everett... I can't believe you're talkin' about feeling funny not keeping up with us "speed" guys. Go faster dude! Maybe slide a little less and streak a little more... those slides look a MILLION times better when you're going 35 or 40! I know we're just coming from the opposite ends of the spectrum, but there's some middle ground where we'll all finally be riding together! Look at those sequences of Cliff and Jim Kluggish in the 'Flow' video... super cool, smooth, flowing... and at pretty high speeds. You're pretty close to Morro Bay... you should get up there and check out Cliff and the rest of us on that 30-40mph Super-G they're setting for the first race at the Worlds on friday. 1/2 mile course with big long gates and 46 cones.
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bulldog
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On 9/13/2004 hc
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
http://www.bulldogskates.com/products/boards/longboard.html
http://www.bulldogskates.com/products/wheels/wheels.html
(check out the 100a dub cons: big, wide, and hard!)
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skull
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On 9/13/2004 hc
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
everett, it's a skull skate 'all city' model, 8 ply, no flex.
I got it off miko.
Just tried a bull dog 'longboard', I dig that board shape, wish it's 8 ply.
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Faltown Skateboards
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On 9/13/2004
Chris
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(84.12.nnn.nnn)
Hey everyone,
Hope you are all keeping well. Been locked out of this site for time (computer mishaps!). Anyway, check out Faltowns new slide video on our website. Look for the "pay attention" button.
www.faltownskateboards.com
Keep checking back there for our new Product range, including our Slide Board and other shapes and clothing etc. Hopefully everything is gonna be up and running by just before christmas.
Can i just say Hi to Cliff. Looking forward to seeing you down here in Cornwall!!!
Hope you all like the new movie
Cheers
Chris (faltown skateboards)
p.s. give it a chance to download its quite a large file!
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Foot Braking...
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On 9/12/2004
Miko
wrote in from
United States
(69.19.nnn.nnn)
So you went and rode with all those crazies? Congratulations on the braking...
At high speeds, there's always that moment of anticipation, and positional foot correction that happens before any successful stop. In many instances it's only a fraction of a second, but it's always there.
I've ignored that step a few times thinking everything was perfect and found myself in trouble or on the ground. Take that tiny moment to make sure everything's aligned, then be confident and smoothly get that foot on the ground.
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DID IT
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On 9/12/2004 betty
wrote in from
United States
(24.170.nnn.nnn)
well, i did successfully footbreak this weekend in joja, however, at high speeds, footbreaking is so intimidating... gonna take some practicing.
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hey don't hate, Congratulate : )
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On 9/10/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
yeah, sorry for all of the misspells in the last one. writing with no contacts is kind of a challenge in itself. SF and SJ guys keep it up can't wait to skate with you again.
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sup HC
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On 9/10/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
hc,
man thats gnarly. its a whole different aspect when you are locked in like that.i had a question for you though, who makes your 36" sliding board. Hopefully my buddy Benji will get some killer fotage with you guys. he said he got miko but didn't say if it was a group thing or just miko. after skating with you last i have been working a bit more on my two handed colemans. had a sick one on my landy DH the other day that scared the crap out of people driving in the other lane. normally i don't like those but it makes you more versitle of a skater. plus i liked your style of it so much i though i better practice cause next time i skate norcal you guys will see the culmination of all my weird slides. but to tell you the truth i kind of had a bad time because you speed guys go so fast. it makes the chase car behind me feel weird cause the pack is so far in front. so nest tiem i will have the car follow you and get my really sliding out of the bag!!!
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hooks
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On 9/9/2004 hc
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
hey everett, I saw the late Gary Hardwick (sp?) bomb the SF Red Bull streetluge course with skyhooks and caught air off the intersection!
I think it was that same contest that I saw Cliff sliding for the first time.
'99 or '00, my memory is spacing...
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set up II
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On 9/9/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
Hey boyd,
sounds like a solid set up. man thats really crazy taking it on and off the road i have much respect for that. the whole sky hook thing is great as well. when i lived in santa cruz my neighbor had some on a speedboard and it was killer. it blew my mind into a whole other demension as far as what you can do on these boards. and i have found myself doing the same thing, looking at steeper hills to go down. in santa cruz mostly (i know miko can protest this one) the hills are short with a good angle. but typically they are only a block to two blocks long. now i live in ventura where i havn't found any good hills with paveing but there are a couple of 100 foot hills that do the trick. so it really making the most with what you got. those rIIs are great but the hard wheels depend. if you are into the whole bigger wheel thing then i would get the gravity sliders which are 73mm 94a. a good combo for going fast and being able to huck some decent slides. small, well you already have the bones bombers so thats a good start. keep it up.
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many thanks
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On 9/9/2004 betty
wrote in from
United States
(24.170.nnn.nnn)
Thanks, PSR and Miko. I got all my wrist guards and what not, I don't think it will be long before I'm successfully footbreaking, Thanks so much. :)
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set up
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On 9/9/2004 boyd
wrote in from
Australia
(203.23.nnn.nnn)
everett, i am just finding my way in the sliding having been more into pump and carve. i ride two sk8 decks: a sector 9 slalom deck (for carving) and a locally made double end longer deck (for transition) with indi trucks and a range of wheels: old variflex rampage wheels from an old ramp board, bones bombers and amber longboard wheels. i had fitted aluminium hooks to the sector 9 and used to ride it on ramps and in parks for airs but i mostly use my mbs mountainboard or the double ender on transition now. i have been using the slider pads and gloves for a short while on the tar and dirt and they really add another dimension to controlling slide and speed on both surfaces . in fact i now find myself looking for steeper slopes where before it was a matter of finding mid range that i could handle with carves. its great finding a really effective way to sk8 steeps and the slides feel great to do. looking to save to get some randals and hard wheels to build a steeps board for sliding.
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Foot dragging...
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On 9/8/2004
Miko
wrote in from
United States
(69.19.nnn.nnn)
PSR has given a great answer and many good tips, so I'll just say that I've learned over time, and that it really doesn't feel safe or normal to foot brake. It's not really fun, and mostly feels dangerous until you get it wired. So keep at it!
My sole wear is mostly on the ball of the foot NOT on the toe, but I've learned to adjust my drags to get overall wear on the sole. I usually break through on the ball and the heel at about the same time now, so I've finally gotten my pressure evenly distributed. I don't quit using shoes until I've broken through the sole and started wearing through the insole.
Good luck and keep at it gradually until it's second nature!
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Toe/Heel
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On 9/8/2004 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(24.52.nnn.nnn)
Betty,you really,really want to get away from using your heels to footbrake with.First off,your sense of Balance,and then your sense of Touch,are NOT placed at the Heel.Thus,consider which is easier to 'touch + go' with;Pressure down from your Heel,or touching down with your Toe? It dosen't take MUCH pressure to slow in footbraking.A shoe has as much surface area as the pads on a car's Disc Brake Pad,so there's PLENTY of friction available for a skater's weight.You want to just SKIM the road to start to slow down.Once you know you've got contact,and Balance,then you can add a tad more downforce,but again,not much is needed. With the Ball of your foot,you can also Feel the amount of contact being made,And make quick,light adjustments.Ever dip your toes into a Mountain stream to see how cold it is? Yeah,well that retraction from the cold water is how you want move your foot when you're checking the brakes.Dab the toes in just a 'touch',and you'll be back to slowing.Once you've got the feel for what's enough pressure underfoot,then it's time to start putting your braking foot down a bit flatter,under the Ball of the foot to the Arch,But NOT back on the Heel.Don't twist sideways at the ankle,either.You want to keep the braking foot more-or-less Pointed Forward.If your board has a wheel/axle kit that makes your wheels stick out a bit,be aware of that.Stepping on a rolling wheel is Very Ungood! Practice on flats,then move on to gentle slopes.Pick speeds you're comfortable with,and work your way up just a bit at a time.Stay away from thin-soled sneakers,maybe get some retro Doc Martins? to abuse for awhile.A really good place to work this out is in smooth-floored Parking Garages,as you'll develop the 'touch' without getting snagged by pavement changes.Lastly,wear wristguards or slider gloves,helmet,and kneepads
while practicing or pushing past your comfort zone. Once you own this skill,you'll find that pesky issues like steep drops,Peds at crosswalks,and the sudden appearance of RailRoad Crossings won't be quite as big a hassle as they once were!
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having trouble stopping
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On 9/8/2004
betty
wrote in from
United States
(24.170.nnn.nnn)
Alright, I see, Miko, that you say you drag your toe? I seem to be seeing the wear on foot-breakers' shoes on the heel. I can't footbreak, I have to run out, and if I can't I bail, usually into grass 'cause I'm lucky. I am goofy, I push with my left foot, I'm looking at my shoes and my right shoe has all the wear- no good. A girl I race with has the same shoes as me, and is regular. I am not sure she can foot break either. I have been practicing, I practice on low-inclines at low speeds, push to pick up speed, try to drag my foot, it feels very awkward. I know there isn't a "proper" way to do anything when it comes to skating, just do what feels right, but nothing about footbreaking feels right to me. any tips? heel, toe, the whole sole? It seems I can lightly tap easier than slide my foot along the ground, but that isn't stopping me, and running cones, I gotta learn. With a quickness.
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Comments for comets
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On 9/8/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
Dear David,
well thats stoked that you are happy with your comet skate. i was't trying to bash the company with that last post, i was telling miko what is the best, and what makes that board the best. comets are cool, hell jason salfi gave me a free shirt and i wear it all the time. hooked me up with the stickers as well and they are on my sliding board. but...they are only their because its a grass roots company representing the whole NorCal thing. Ask Miko i rode one in a parking structure and had a blast. it was super fun to get away from boards that i am normally used to. however, when i want a board for sliding i just go to gravity. they have the best construction of boards and the best riders as well. if you have good riders with crappy boards they can't unleash their talent as much. so its a perfect match. i am not saying comet isn't a good company cause that would be a lie, they are very good. but not for sliding. you want a hard board with very little to no flex to bust out the tricks. i tried 360 slides on sector nines with flex and all that gave me was a knee injury cause i got sprung out like a catapult. i mean hell i busted a one footed coleman slide with a 27" sector, but that don't make it right. i jumped on my board and was doing crazy stuff all over the place.
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slidin board
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On 9/8/2004
david
wrote in from
United States
(165.121.nnn.nnn)
40" comet spoon is the best out there for me. i customized the wheelbase to about 22". sick high-speed sliding board with som r-2s
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33" spoon what the fahk is going on here people
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On 9/7/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
well the car thing is not an option for many reasons that i care not to list here. i know commets are very good but the brad edwards is the best, period. all of the footage i have seen backs that up as well. it will go into any condition whether its park, pool, street, or vert but still have enough wheel base to throw some gnarly slides. its not a flexible deck which is great. flex decks have too many problems with slides and can cause undue injury because of board design being pushed to environments that were not made for. the BE40 is made for everything and it will last a while. the deck is only 60 bucks so there is no worries there. plus that will be brand new, better, and cheaper (in ratio) to the commet board.
i mean comets are great and everything but only for certain things. they came out with all of the twin tail decks it looks like to make money that they aren't getting from their downhill and other boards. i mean those downhill ones are great but just for tight stuff with gummy wheels. gravity on the other hand was built by surfers. and it evolved from there. do they make great downhill and speed boards, hell no. they make classic cruisers to simulate the walking of a longboard enhancing tip and walking skills. now with sergio and brad they really have opened up the sliding gates. not to say cliff didn't do that he did very very well. but he isn't with gravityboard anymore. BE and Sergio are doing some insane slides. and if you look at most of the major players in the sliding game they use the same boards. i mean in brasil so many people use gravity. its known as beeing good and being proven good through testing.
if you really want to slide and not just practicing more releasable corner slides to simulate raceing then gravity is the way to go. i am not promoting i am stating a FACT. beleive me or not, but if not hope your money was worth that other board.
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Slider board for Miko...
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On 9/7/2004
Miko
wrote in from
United States
(69.19.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the board lineup Everett!
I'm gonna check out the Brad model... I'm thinking I want at least a 20" w/b, so I'm also looking at the Comet Downhill 36" Spoon as well. I think I've found a used one fairly cheap. Ventura... Sounds like you should get a CAR man! Hope all is well on other fronts. You plan on coming up anytime this fall? If so give some notice so we can plan a session.
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one more board
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On 9/7/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
or if you really want to represent that norcal thing, commet has a board called the sun. its basically the gravity 36" pool rider w/same wheel base but shaved other dimensions like the nose, tail, and width.
oh and boyd slider gloves are the way to go. i think that wrist guard thing is a totall gimmic. i mean they both work differently individually but not together. i have seen the websites saying its good and all of that, but to tell you the truth they don't do dick. get some good gloves and really check them out. i have only had one sprained wrist in my days of skating and it only happened cause i wore nothing. even the damn doctors said the impact force really wouldn't have made those wrist guards worth while. and those doctors get a lot of skaters let me tell you. and don't just fall on your gloves if you can handle it. just let the board to its whole speed wobble thing and it should pitch you off center enough to really get into those heel or toeside slides.
but that is just one opinion i am sure but valid to say the very least. what kind of board are you riding currently.
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miko and his boards
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On 9/7/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
whats up miko, who's talkin trash?
well for sliding sakes i wish i lived in santa barbara, but here in ventura its slim pickins. so far the only decent thing (now you have to accomodate for the fact that i only ride a bicycle, and many hills are under construction) is Foothill. its cool and all but you have to time it, the pavement sucks and the room...well unless you like going over the lane markers and slide in the other lane, there isn't much. but my landy with randals and shiiiiiiiiity wheels/bearings seemed to get me to like 31 or 32, so not that bad given the conditions. i can't even use my short deck on any hill over 100 feet long. but hey i still get to use it. now i just need some of those 73mm 94a wheels from gravity and my landy will be so stoked.
boards to consider buying
36" gravity pool rider L36.25 W9.00 N6.75 T7.50 WB17.25
36" gravity team rider (the perfect cross over for tricks and slides)
L36.50 W9.10 N7.10 T7.50 WB17.50*
40" gravity brad edwards model (the perfect choice if you ask me)
L40.50 W9.00 N6.50 T7.50 WB22.50*
and the crappier skateboards are...
Sector 9:
cloud nine- mosaic
37.375L 9.75W 20.00WB... to bad they don't give nose or tail specs i wonder Y
cloud 9- Puma Lager
L40.5 W9.5 WB21.2
Deep end- mischief
L37.6 W8.5 WB19.6
yep those are them boards the star ones are the best, good luck
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Sliding vs. Footbraking...
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On 9/7/2004
Miko
wrote in from
United States
(69.85.nnn.nnn)
As much as I LOVE sliding, I have to say that when you're macking through hallways at school (very hill campus! ILLEGAL!) and need to either slow down or shut down, a quick toe drag really does the trick.
Here's the deal. Most (non-mongo) footbraking crashes happen because the rider hasn't put in sufficient practice time doing it. It's one of those unattractive things where you just don't do it til you need it... then it's a case of winging it. As a slalom racer, I've had to do countless footdrag stops until I'm able to just throw a foot down whenever I need it. I decided to see if I could footdrag at higher downhilling speeds, and of course with practice I was stoked that I could pull it off at 35-45mph which allowed me to charge into tight corners and drop a toe at the last minute to set up at the proper entry speed.
IT'S NO FUN BURNING SHOES AND PRACTICING FOOT DRAGS WHEN YOU DON'T NEED THEM, BUT THIS PRACTICE WILL MAKE YOU CONFIDENT WHEN YOU ***REALLY, REALLY*** NEED TO SECURELY AND COMPACTLY SLOW YOURSELF DOWN. NOW GET OUT THERE AND PRACTICE!
Disclaimer: Mongo riders are afu'ed and while I'm mightily impressed by amazing drags performed by people like Chaput, Dunn and others, I have no idea how they do what they do. I have a mongo friend who is going through hell trying to get this happening, and he has my deepest sympathy.
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footbraking
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On 9/7/2004 tommeakin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(84.66.nnn.nnn)
footbraking is bad - i need to learn to slide.
check my crashing post for more info. and prepare to wince :P
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