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Question for the priveged few
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On 5/12/2005 Haim R.
wrote in from
Israel
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I picked up on this on one of the movie pages describing the rating for LODT:
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (for drug and alcohol content, sexuality, violence, language and RECKLESS BEHAVIOR - all involving teens)
Is the "Reckless Behavior" in there because of the skateboarding or some foolish jackass activity?
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dogtown vs starwars
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On 5/11/2005 herbn
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great i expect to avoid the lines and see lords, and hopefully they'll be only hardcores in there, it does kind of suck that they are competing, is it a direct conflict,same release date? That just sucks because i'd like to see lords do well and influence the mainstream a bit, it may sell out on starwars over flow, people that might not normally see it, "but since we're here"
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Excellent post Chris
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On 5/11/2005
Haim R.
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I agree with you 100%. I have seen how the actions of the few can have an impact on many. I didn't post my lower expectations of the film's impact on skating to put a downer on the party, but I think it's wise to have reasonable expectations. The bottom line, as you put it, is clearly that we will all continue to skate the way we love to skate and that the movie is likely to help many others see how much more there is to skating than what they've known. It will still be up to them to choose to skate that line or not, but at least they'll know there are other lines to choose from.
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jay adams
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On 5/10/2005 matt
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i dont want to open a can of worms,but how will this film deal with jays downfall in the 90s with drugs and prison terms.dogtown and zboys portrayed him as dead.jay is still the legend he always was.
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Lords
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On 5/10/2005 GlenD
wrote in from
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The movie has partially inspired me to make a modern repro of my old Hobie Park Rider.
I was at Lance Mountain's house last week and he had made a woodkick board.
If anything it's inspiring nostalgia for a time gone by.
I spent the weekend with my kids teaching them Bert's and low fs, bs Weaver/Adams/Alva/Nishi turns. My 13 year old who is just starting to skate had 360 berts down after about half an hour. He said he doesn't care about ollies and stuff, he want's to be able to skate with the style of the guys in Downhill Motion. I had more fun skating a driveway with my kids than I have at any park in years.
Maybe the movie will help bridge the gap between more skate dads and kids.
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Props.....Chris
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On 5/10/2005
Scott
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30 years ago I was 14 too.I understand. Keep up the great work Chris.
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Bravo, Chris.
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On 5/10/2005
Mile High Mark
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Well said, Chris. Well said.
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Past, Present, Future
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On 5/10/2005
Chris Chaput
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United States
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30 years ago I was 14. Most 14 year olds don't have the vision and/or resources to write a screenplay, start a company or market a product. Their only real hope is get on the board and practice until someone with a surfshop or a checkbook can help him get into contests and magazines. If not for Skateboarder Magazine, E.T. Surfboards and local contests, you wouldn't be reading this post. I can't be inspired by something that I've never seen, and there's no big mystery as to why today's skaters have a "street only" mentality.
Having said that, there's no guarantee that kids will open up to different styles of skating if they only see it once. One caveat about the movie is that a kid may equate loose trucks and riding a skateboard with the past, and not understand that the equipment is alive and well right now, today.
The good news is, that some of us older guys are not only still skating, but we have a multitude of resources that enable us to design, develop, test, manufacture and market products for "the other type" of skating. These include the internet, desktop publishing and video editting, business connections, funding sources, contest and racing venues, etc.
There are guys like Michael Brooke and Hackett and me who are literally "in this for life". It doesn't matter if the effect of this movie is minimal. We've been doing it for years now, we're doing it now, and we'll be doing it for the next several years regardless of whether or not Johnny ebraces longboarding, carving, cruising, sliding or pool skating. It is the cummulative effect of enough people who care that can tip the industry in the direction of something new. Really, what we're talking about is old, but it's so old that it's new to these kids. As long as we celebrate the past instead of trying to live in it, this type of skating has an opportunity to cycle back and stay in the public eye forever.
We've never been at this exact turning point before. Street has been king for well more than a decade now. There's just not that much more you can suck out of it that hasn't been done before. Sure one could be a dumber jackass, a bigger loser or more countercultural, but that's not new any more. The pendulum swings.
The Emperor has been naked for a long time now. I have an entire wardrobe that is just his size. I can't force a kid to do or wear anything, but I can make some very tempting toys and reward kids for riding them well. I can write. I can take pictures. I can tape. I can produce. I can contribute. I can share. And when enough of us are doing the same or similar, it will tip.
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Star Wars??
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On 5/10/2005
Chris
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United States
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Michael, you think Star Wars will be competition for this here movin' pitcher? GOOD! I don't want those nerds in MY theater. Hopefully Lucas can keep them away from me. Maybe the trick is to find a theater that is showing one and not the other.
BTW, the DHB idea sounds way cool! NCL, I dig it.
White Cotton Racing - "we're just happy to be there!"
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A different kind of prediction
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On 5/10/2005
Haim R.
wrote in from
Israel
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I haven't seen the movie, but here are my thoughts about how the movie will probably impact the "old kids" and the young kids. Overall, I'm sure it will give skateboarding a nice boost and we will all benefit from that in some way.
I predict that a bunch of old farts like us will get all stoked on skating again and will get back on boards for the first time in 15 or 20 years, despite their spouses' teasing and snide comments. A certain percentage of them will end up in the ER and may never step on a board again. (Definition of middle age: when the mind still thinks it can do what the body can't.) The others will keep on skating and re-join the party.
I'm pretty pessimistic about the young skaters who only know "modern street skating." (We ALL skated in the street.) A few of them will have their eyes opened and see the rest of the skate rainbow and get turned on by it. Lot's of them will probably write it off as what the old guys did. (What? A whole movie about skateboarding and not one ollie?!? No way I'm gonna see that one.) Kind of like, "This IS your dad's Oldsmobile." The actually percentages that go one way or the other will most likely depend on how the major skate mags cover the flick and the types of skating highlighted in it. Just like the way Skateboarder Magazine influenced us in the 70's. Any ideas on how the mass media skate rags are dealing with this whole thing? I don't have easy access to them here.
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Viewing Idea Revisited
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On 5/10/2005
North Carolina Longboarder
wrote in from
United States
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Dudes and Dudettes,
The DHB's are going to buy a block of tickets the first weekend the movie comes out, take our wives, children (many of us have teenagers), etc. with a skating session before and a party afterwards.....Try it..you may find the movie more enjoyable if you get stoked in the moment!
Marion Karr
North Carolina Longboarder
Proud Member of the DownHill Billies
www.downhillbillies.org
"Fueling the Stoke One Hillbilly at a Time!"
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the ripple effect
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On 5/10/2005
Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
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after reviewing the last few posts, it's obvious to me that the film is having the desired affect on skateboarding...and it's not even out yet. what is this desired affect? simple...it's to get people talking passionately about our past, our present and our future...
the more people who see this film, the better...the more skaters who get entertained by it, the better and the more non-skaters see it, the better.
the reality is that Hollywood has NEVER made a skate film like LORDS....for the most part it's been pretty schlocky stuff....hell, even Gleaming the Cube rates high on the cringe scale...
but, I sincerely believe that a lot of people will find this film entertaining...and for the next few weeks, it will definitely shine a spotlight on skateboarding.
Russell Crowe flick? Perhaps some competition there....but I doubt it. No, I think this this film has some other competition...namely, Star Wars
but as they say, Sith Happens..
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PERSPECTIVE
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On 5/10/2005
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
wrote in from
United States
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"Both the movies are celebrations of a particualr perspective on the times, are enjoyable for anyone interested and with a good attitude and should not be treated as biblical history."
Very well put. I just got a copy of Lords Of Dogtown book about the making of the movie...WOW!
What a great book. Lot's of great stuff in there; excellent layout by "Markintosh"
TONS of photos and write ups and bios and more...
Very impressive - A must have and great addition to your skate book library.
HACKETT - DEATHBOX SKATEBOARDS - BLR
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There's a nugget:
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On 5/10/2005 EBasil
wrote in from
United States
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"If someone were to write a story about what "really" happened back in the day, I probably wouldn't like it. I like my version of the truth better. "
--Chris Chaput
I've heard someone else say something similar, and it was good then, too.
As someone whose "right arm and knee" are clearly in DogTown & The Z-Boys (well, it's clear to me and my buddy, whose left leg, arm and skateboard are in the movie), I second the emotion: both the movies are celebrations of a particualr perspective on the times, are enjoyable for anyone interested and with a good attitude and should not be treated as biblical history.
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motivation
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On 5/10/2005
glenn
wrote in from
United States
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the docmentary diffenly motivated me to skate better even if i didnt do tricks i went for style wich feels good but i dont know what i look like i could look bad but i feel smooth and the interveiw with wentzle ruml about the movie and they asked him if he still looked at skate magazines and he said he would peak but it wasnt the same the surf style was fadeing away i dunno why but that motivates me in a way before i would just try to ollie around and kickflip untill i saw dogown and zboys i bought a dethbox wentzle ruml suf skater board and i got imdys and auto bahne filmer wheels wicked smooth and grippy so i would just cruise around every where not doing anything fancy but it was so much funner than what skate is now today so right now i have a 8.5 wide board standard shape with indys but i have 60mm ricta filmer wheels and when i go to the skate park i just get as much speed as possible and get more speed by rideing over hips and doing long carves against a huge concrete quarter pipe thats almost as long as the park and when i go to indoor parks i just ride the bowls and carve around and a few kick turns just trying ot go faster and faster each run and pumping arund ervy where possibe. im not to good at skateing but i love it i rather do that than anything in the world i started slaloming i think its fun but not as much as fun as just cruizing at my own path and trying to flow better than any other kid. skateing is a life for me. i couldnt get sponserd but maybe in slalom but from what i hear from interveiws from the zboys i dont realy wanna get sponserd i rather have the fun i am now like the sessions they had in the school banks and i rather run around town and just fool around with my freinds like doing stuff kid my age would do kinda like i guess when jay adams would make rat faces at people or harass old ladys just having fun with the kids in my small town skateing around after school than worrying about winning a contest. i plan on intering some slalom contest if i did get offerd a sponser i would probaly take it but i know its not gonna be like getting sponserd in the 70's becase slaloms not big like getting sponserd my girl skateboards for a street skater so i plan on skateing my whole life and i hope nothing ruins the fun not to say i wouldnt do what the zboys did like partying and getting sponserd and make tons of money i wouldnt pass that up i would be so fun but i know it will eventrully get old so i rather stay whith what im doing
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LODT $$$
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On 5/9/2005 Jay again
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United States
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I predict $5-7 million first weekend. It's going up against a Russell Crowe boxing movie as well as that documentary about the school of rock guy. all 3 films will be fighting for the same demographic and I'm pretty sure Russell Crowe will dominate.
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first's
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On 5/9/2005 Jay Lehan
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United States
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2 first's. I spoke to Gelfand a few years ago and he admitted his buddy was doing ollies before him but he didn't want to be in the limelight. That's the truth from him direct. In Dogtown and z boys, Glen Friedamn says in there even if tony wasn't the first to do it, nobody did them with style like he did. i have no idea about curt lindgren.
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Fact vs Fiction
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On 5/9/2005
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
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Yea Glenn, I too loved the documentary. I don't think that the viewer had to be a skater to enjoy it, but as a skater, I was stoked that someone took the time and laid out all the sights and sounds of "our" era. Many, many, many skaters have deep, deep, deep feelings about:
1) Skateboarding and the media
2) Dogtown vs The Rest of the World
3) Tony, Tony, Tony, Stacy and Jay
4) Unresolved personal issues from their youth
I know that I do. The subject matter of the documentary and the movie seems to open up a Pandora's Box of emotions in skaters young and old. So many people are soooooooo worked up about "the really important things in life", such as who did the first kickflip, frontside air and ollie. I'll ask it here, as if I don't already know the answer: Can anyone say, with scientific certainty, who did these tricks first? Do we care, really? Did Guiness have to be there to make it "official"? If we found out that it wasn't Curt Lindgren, Tony Alva and Alan Gelfand, would any of our lives be any different? It seems so damn important for people to "set the record straight", when the record isn't even crooked.
If we were talking about stolen intellectual property, copyrighted materials or slandering people, that would be different. But we're talking about a movie. A MOVIE for crying out loud. When Sony hired the "reality" police, Tony and Stacy got the call. They got a kick-ass director (thank god) from Venice whose former job was a production designer. She gets it her way. And she gets it right.
I'm not sure when it became cool to say how lame something (or someone) is, but I think time is betting spent elevating oneself than in trying to drag something down. Junior High is when it's cool to say "Green Day sucks man, their song is like, on every radio station - they sold out". How old are we?
The purpose of Lords of Dogtown is not to solve all the problems of the world or to set the record straight or to compete with the documentary. It's more about reaching out and touching millions of viewers, educating them a bit, motivating them a bit, and entertaining them a lot. I hope it makes a boatload of money for all of the brave souls who pushed this through to completion, despite the fact that just about every skateboard movie in the past was a failure. It was blast to be a part of, and it's going to be around for a long, long time.
If someone were to write a story about what "really" happened back in the day, I probably wouldn't like it. I like my version of the truth better.
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chaput
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On 5/9/2005
glenn
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United States
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yea chaput u are right the documentary was awsome best one iv seen probaly just becuase i skate but i think ill like the movie just as much
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Lords of Dogtown
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On 5/9/2005
MG
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United States
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I have not seen the movie. But I was on the set for a couple days during the filming of the Del Mar contest sequence. I had the time of my life. The set looked awesome, even though it was the parking lot of a church just a few blocks from my house that I had been to on many occasions, I felt like I had stepped back in time the moment I got there. Attention to detail was staggering.The stunt doubles could rip on a skateboard, and even some of the actors were not bad. I personally witnessed Heath Ledger pull an old style kickflip on a repro zephyr wearing some hideous period hippie shoes.
TA was actually polite and personable and in a good mood. Stacy and Alva filmed some of their own foot work , shot from the waist down. Emile Hirsch as Jay was truly great, he really seemed to tap into Jay's manic presence. His stunt double Colin Griffin was insanely good, but Emile himself could skate pretty credibly. The actor who skated worst was clearly Victor Rasuk as Alva. We'll have to see how he comes off in the film. Mike Ogus as Biniak was also incredibly good.
Have to give Chaput props here. Not only did he nail a whole bunch of extremely difficult old style freestyle tricks first take under pressure, but he brought a bunch of wheels to the set that basically saved the day of shooting, as the cadillac repros that TA had commissioned were of a ridiculously hard duro like 95 or something (I have a set and they are rocks) so hard that the actors and stunt doubles couldn't do the the tricks like christies and hard carves on the slippery platform that were required. Chaput busted out with a set of cutdown dyed no skools in a soft durometer to the stunt skaters and pretty soon every stunt skater on the set was begging for them. If cadillacs had been as hard as the movie repros I have then there would have been no point to the whole urethane revolution angle, as 95 duro wheels are not all that different from clay in terms of hardness. Maybe they would flat spot less, I dunno.
Anyway, I have high hope for the film in terms of nostalgia and entertainment. It won't be for everyone, but what is?
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amount
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On 5/9/2005 toddc
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13.5 mil.
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Ohhh Lords
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On 5/9/2005
Marty Schaub
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United States
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Eddy,
If you ever went to a contest and stayed at the same hotel with TA, Jay or any of the boys then you would know the stories are true.
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Dogtown Fact or Fiction
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On 5/9/2005
Eddy
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United States
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Way before the Documentary or upcoming movie many of us teenagers back in the 70s imitated the moves and the style of the Z-Boys. It was a time that came and went, but for those of us who lived through those times and waited for Skateboarder Magazine to hit the newstands. All I can say is it was a blast. Now in my 40s I am still STOKED that I can ride again and share the same comaradarie with my friends. Were most of the stories that I read fact or fiction back then, who cares. I know that it left an impression on a kid who loved to skate. Those of you who never got it, never will. For me it is all about the STOKE. Eddy Texas Outlaws.
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Lords Of Dogtown
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On 5/9/2005
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
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I think that Dogtown & Z-Boys will be a better documentary and that Lords of Dogtown will be a better fictional movie. How's that for going out on a limb?
Let's be realistic here. Neither the documentary nor the movie are meant to be "real". They are both a reflection of what one person (Stacy) wants to say about the events surrounding the Z-Boys in the seventies. I hope no one went to Michael Moore's Farenheit 911 believing that they were seeing the "real" history
of the United States because it was a documentary. I like what Stacy has done, and I believe that he is as open and honest as he needs to be to make a very entertaining and interesting documentary, and to write a very entertaining screenplay. Both pieces of work can stand on their own nicely, and it is wholey futile to suggest that one or the other is unnecessary, better or worse. Which are better, oranges or carrots? Grape juice or wine?
I've watched the Price Is Right (and all of our dogs are neutered) and so I'll guess that the opening weekend will do $27,000,001 and beat MB. If more people find out that Hackett and I are in it, $29M.
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Preview screenings
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On 5/9/2005 Beth
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United States
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Any idea if there will be previews of the movie on the East Coast?
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