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next time I see you.....
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On 1/24/2003
ur13
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....refering to you Wesley.
blah I am off to bed, I gotta stop hitting the damn submit button!
night all.
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whoops
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On 1/24/2003 ur13
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"BT knew people were riding parallel like you anymore and switched up the nose shape to allow for more room for the feet"
the "were" should read "weren't"
BTW, next time I see you ask me about my yellow needlenose, it is a high camber shape that your parallel feet will like. It is the yellow one on the turner site.
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fn/nn
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On 1/24/2003 ur13
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wesley....look at the new shape of the needlenoses, the one outlined on the Turner site. BT knew people were riding parallel like you anymore and switched up the nose shape to allow for more room for the feet. Both the FN and NN require a tightish stance but by no means parallel. I have an older shape needlenose which was shaped for parallel stance but I love it with my hips forward stance. I rarely ride with my feet more than 6" (tops) apart but i am not parallel, you've seen me ride.
Honestly...ignore the specs on the turner site....they were supposed to be changed but never were.
The fullnose is intended for precision and control and should have about a 19" (axle to axle) wheelbase, tighter wheelbase for tighter slalom (all the way down to 17" axle to axle).
The needlenose is intended for power and traction and should have a 20.5"+ (axle to axle) wheelbase,
does that help?
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Midtown Summer Series
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On 1/24/2003 Gary H.
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Mike, are you going to race in my Midtown Race Series (A.k.a. Midtown Summer Series) that begins in March?
more info at:
http://homepage.mac.com/garyholl
go to the "midtown summer series" page to download some drafts.
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More Cutaways/Fullnoses
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On 1/24/2003
Wesley Tucker
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Well, I guess my question really concerns whether or not a skater is getting the most out of a board just because it looks cool with a needlenose?
Not just the Turners, but all the full cutaway designs (Roe Bottle Rocket, PP Stealth, Ick Cutaway, etc.) When I see these new skaters buying these boards and then trying to get their feet on them one in front of the other, I ask myself, "are these guys just working too hard?" When you ride with the same stance on any board, is there really a difference between a 20" wheelbase on a Bottle Rocket and a 20" wheelbase on a Hester? (The same is true for Turner FNs and Turner NNs: 20" is 20", right?)
Of course, I don't want to sound like some sort of evangelist telling everyone, "if you're going to get a needlenose, learn to ride parallel!" That's not it at all. What I do find interesting, though, is how skaters think the same wheelbase (whether it's 19.5", 20, or even 22") on two different shaped boards but riding with the same stance will make a magical difference in making either a tight or wide open course.
What I would think would be exciting, though, is if we saw skaters pull out three boards that looked exactly alike. The difference being, though, is Board A is soft, Board B is Medium and Board C is hard.
Are the skaters today finding one flex and then mixing and matching the shapes, or are they also realizing the response of the board makes all the different in the world when either going around a wide offset of sticking to the fall line on some tight wigglers?
P.S. Yes, I know: I'm old and not really clued in to the slalom scene in 2003. What I'm seeing and hearing though is really different from what we practiced 25 years ago when Maysey was in Kindergarten:-) I'm wondering if we're forgetting hard learned lessons or learning things that go beyond what was figured out on the Black Hill all those years ago?
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Avalons
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On 1/24/2003
Leo
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Makie, have u use avalns or anybody for TS?
alos, is there any formula or idea to choose the right wheel and duro for an specific road?
leo
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RT-X's
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On 1/23/2003
Mike Maysey
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Wassup Hamm?
I do wedge the RTX with a standard wedge. I use the 106mm hangers on all of 'em.
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RT-X's
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On 1/23/2003
Hamm
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Mike, I was just checking your quiver on the Turner website and I was wondering if you are wedging your RT-X's?
and on the what width are you running on the Fatboy?
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This Weekend...
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On 1/23/2003
Mike Maysey
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...I'm going down south to partake in the DBox event as well as get some slalom practice in with the most feared team in slalom...SSS...talk amoungst yourselves.
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Board thickness
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On 1/23/2003
Mike Maysey
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Nima,
I don't think there is any coorelation between thickness and speed. The only thing that might change based on thickness is flex. If that's the case, I would say a little more flexy board works better in tight and a little stiffer board works better in GS...at least that's what I've got in my quiver. Perhaps I have it backwards based on experiences of others, that's just what seems to work for me.
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Bearings
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On 1/23/2003
Mike Maysey
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Ga. Tom,
I use whatever bearings I can get my hands on. On some of my boards I use Bones Reds, some I use Turner bearings, and some I use Oust. I don't change bearings based on course...although that might be an interesting idea. I pretty much use whatever bearings I have. As far as which are better, I couldn't really say. Some people swear by Oust, some Bones Swiss, others Ceramics...I haven't been able to detect a difference between any bearings personally.
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Board thickness
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On 1/22/2003
Nima
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Hi there:
Is there a correlation between a boards thickens and speed? For example, all things being equal, would a Factory 11 board (thickness of about 1/2inch, no concave, stiff board) roll faster than say a fibreflex using same trucks, same wheels same course...
Thanks!!
Nima
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Bearings
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On 1/22/2003
Ga. Tom
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Mike - What is your bearing of choice? Do you use a different bearing for different type courses?....
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SwitchSlalom
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On 1/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Darren,
Switch is easier than backwards.
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SwitchSlalom
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On 1/22/2003
Darren
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Has anyone raced slalom backwards? I was doing/trying it the other day and i reckon its well funny like with your feet backwards and your board to the way you are goin. What feels more natural ? going backwards or riding your board switch??? arrrgggghh
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fullnose/needlenose
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On 1/22/2003 ur13
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Wes...let me add something here being that I ride the classic boards more than anyone else on the team, I would say 75% of my racing was on a fullnose or needlenose last season, I rode a whitebird at da farm an la costa and avila and one of the DC races. I rode a fatboy at la costa day 2 and avila.
Anyway. My love and understanding of the classic turners comes from gilmour and some form BT himself.
The fullnose will be a more versitle/stable deck at speed. It can be slammed on into tighter courses (Gilmour) at the same time it can be guided thru more open courses (Brent K at la costa GS). The fullnose should be drilled tighter which allows for more control in braking. The board should ride "deader" which aids in it's braking abilities. I've ridden mine fullnoses up to about 40mph with glee.
The needlenose should run with a wider wheelbase and more flex. Because of the shape it can handle offests nicer and has more traction than the fullnose. I SHOULD have run my needlnose at Avila on sat and ran it on morro day 2. The board just pumps smooth and nice...though i prefer the fullnose for all around.
BT was tweaking the shapes of the needlenose last winter to get more room for the front foot and a wider tail. That yellow one gilmour had was the newer shape.
Vince turner was making fullnoses that are slightly larger and fuller in the nose that BT's shapes (very slightly) and a touch longer. I am riding one of these as my all around deck.
I find it INSANE that we need to be riding 36" boards on slalom courses, though I am not some TS nazi either. A properly drilled needlenose can handle 70% of the course i saw on the FCR series, it means a slight adaption in riding style but it will work, the fullnose could handel msot of the rest with the whitebird and fatboy filling in the blanks.
does that help....?
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what would u use parte dos
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On 1/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Leo-
I'd use Blue Doh Doh's in front and yellow Doh Doh's in back.
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what would u use parte dos
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On 1/22/2003
Leo
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Bushings:
yellow randals
orange indys
blue doh-dohs
red doh dohs
yellow doh dohs
leo
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Cutaways/Fullnoses
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On 1/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Wesley,
I just reread your question and I think the attitudes changed when FCR put together the race series. Or rather when the first course was set. The courses set up very open which has sort of made the old shapes obsolite. There were only three courses this past season when I rode my Turner handmade boards. I think I left them in my bag most of the time because the wheelbases on those boards are fairly short. Most guys ride these big boards now with very long wheelbases and I think that's directly related to the loose courses we saw last season on the FCR Series. Hopefully, next season we'll see some true TS courses where guys will have to actually ride a board for TS not a scaled down longboard.
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what would you choose?
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On 1/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Leo,
For HS...I'd probably set up the Starter board with the Seismic front and Indy 101 rear with Avalon 80's and 85's.
For TS...I'd probably set up the Response with the Trackers and Stinger 77's in rear and La Costa 78's in front.
You could use this as a jumping off point...then mix and match parts. That's what I do with my boards. Set 'em up and take 'em apart and set 'em up again but a little different. Eventually you'll find the optimal setup.
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INDY vs TRACKER
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On 1/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Hack,
Since I've ridden both, I think I have a pretty good grasp on what works best...for me at least. I switched to Trackers after the La Costa race where I was fortunate enough to have one given to me to try. I first used the RTX on my GS board in the front. It worked unreal. Didn't need very much wedge to really get it to work well. Since then, I have all my boards set up with Trackers. RTX front, RTS rear or TTC rear on an RTX base since the TTC turns quit slow I set it up on the base plate with the extra angle.
Bottom Line...Trackers work better for me than any other truck I've stuck to the bottom of my board(s) for everything. To use the words of Beau Brown, "Trackers carve, Indys flop."
See you Friday. Hope I can make the course!!!
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Cutaways/Fullnoses
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On 1/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Wesley,
Good one...being that 25 years ago I was 5 years old, I honestly couldn't tell you. Do you know how to contact Paul Dunn? I bet he can shed some light on this one. Better yet, I'll ask him myself and post the response here.
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what would you choose?
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On 1/22/2003
Leo
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If u have the following how would u set it up?
decks:
Slalom Starter Decks
G&S Response 3ply
Trucks:
Tracker fultracks 105mm/b2 baseplate
Indys 101
Seismic 110
Wheels
Stingers 77a
La costas 78a
Avalons 80/85a
Course
TS and HS
answer??
Leo
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INDY vs TRACKER
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On 1/21/2003
HACKETT
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Hey Mike,
What's the difference (in your opinion)
between racing on Indys or Trackers?
GS
TS
Other?
Thanks,
HACKETT
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thrust
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On 1/21/2003 toddc
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Hey Mike,
I think that forward thrust is generated through pumping the board, can you offer any insight into "stepping on the gas"? You seem to be able to power yourself forward better than most.
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