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| Q&A: Slalom Pro Mike Maysey (2489 Posts)
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On 1/19/2005
mike maysey
wrote in from
United States
(63.16.nnn.nnn)
I think you're right, cut wheels slide more controllably and predictably, but anytime you're sliding, you're losing speed. No course should require a slide, I don't think. For instance, I know if I'm sliding in a course, I should probably do something different to compensate for that... ie.) take a wider line around the cone before the one you are sliding on. Happened to me last weekend...I took a huge push in after Chicken layed down the fast time and slid around about 4 cones near the top...lost all my top end speed and went way, way slower than my previous and fastest run. Next run, I took less of a push, didn't slide and took another hundredth off my fastest time of the day. I compensated and went faster. I do ride Manx wheels which are like an Avalon with the edge trimmed slightly.
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Cutting wheels
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On 1/19/2005 Dave
wrote in from
United States
(67.168.nnn.nnn)
Thanks Mike: I am cutting the wheels to get more
control if I slide not to get narrow. On the 75-78
Avalons the rear would hop and slide. The lips would
fold back. I am thinking a cut wheel has less grip
but more controlled slide. Also some courses require
sliding while other courses can be made without
any sliding.
My coned 78's may be good for a course that needs grip
and some sliding and 82's for a course that needs less
grip and a faster wheel?
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boards
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On 1/18/2005
david
wrote in from
United States
(68.167.nnn.nnn)
i have a homemade board with a very wide tail, i find grip from the rear is greater and when i do slide its very controllable, its at the point where i can almost do 4 wheel powerslides with 75a avalons.
on a side note, mike, i've been putting alot of miles on my roomates bianchi pista since he ain't using it, talk about a good cross trainer for skating!
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Chill out Pauliwog
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On 1/17/2005
mike maysey
wrote in from
United States
(67.225.nnn.nnn)
On 1/13/2005 Dave wrote in from 67.168.xxx.xxx: (United States)
My 78a Avalons are coned quite a bit
and are cut to about 50mm wide. Are
coned wheels much slower?
Would I be better off with a harder
wheel 80a-82a and full width or cut
a little, 53mm?
Coned wheels are slower, in my experience. However they do tend to hook up better in turns...it's kind of a trade off. As for cutting wheels, I wouldn't bother...just get some narrower trucks if you want a narrower track on your board.
On 1/12/2005 Pauliwog wrote in from 64.5.xxx.xxx: (United States)
Question for the surf stancers- Do you find that you're getting more traction from the back wheels with a wider tail and sliding a little more with a narrower tail? Seems like I'm experiencing that and I think I know why but I won't go into that yet. Let me know here on this forum. Thanks - Paul
This is a tough one. I ride wide tails and don't slide out unless my body is in the wrong position or something else goes wrong that's my doing. I don't find it has anything to do with the width of the board. Perhaps it has something to do with the relationship between the width of your rear truck in relation to the board width. I'm not sure. Anyone want to add to this?
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Dave A's Coned Wheel Question
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On 1/14/2005 Pauliwog filling in for Chris Farley
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Would someone answer Dave's question?
For the Love of God, would someone PLEASE answer the man's Question?
What is wrong with you peaple anyway?
What is it gonna take for someone to step up and answer the man's question?
Ok, so that was getting carried away in a typical Chris Farley (R.I.P.) flavor, Dave and I have discussed this aspect of wheels and I'd like to know other peaple'e opinions as well. Thanks-Paul
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The People's Slalom/BBQ
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On 1/13/2005 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hey Dave! April 10th Sunday in Salem! Thor, Pete, and I might try to plan something this Sunday if the weather looks good. Later-P
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Rear wheels coning/speed/grip/duro
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On 1/13/2005 Dave
wrote in from
United States
(67.168.nnn.nnn)
My 78a Avalons are coned quite a bit
and are cut to about 50mm wide. Are
coned wheels much slower?
Would I be better off with a harder
wheel 80a-82a and full width or cut
a little, 53mm?
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RTS offset PPS
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On 1/13/2005 Dave
wrote in from
United States
(67.168.nnn.nnn)
Yes it is not a stock PPS truck.
I sent in a 129 RTS and chicken
made it a 101 offset for me.They
were doing a batch of trucks then.
He also said that some of the RTS
hangers don't have enough metal
around the axels to make offset.
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Narrow Vs Wide Tails
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On 1/12/2005 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Question for the surf stancers- Do you find that you're getting more traction from the back wheels with a wider tail and sliding a little more with a narrower tail? Seems like I'm experiencing that and I think I know why but I won't go into that yet. Let me know here on this forum. Thanks - Paul
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Trucks and Trophies
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On 1/12/2005 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
MIKE MAYSEY-The RT-S offset I mentioned was a stock RT-S I sent to Chicken and he or his machinist or whoever did it. Correct, to my knowledge that's not a regular item from PP who knows what secret plans C has going anyway.
BILL BOOTHBY-Are you 50 something with curly greyish hair? Did I meet you at Morro Bay? Were you hanging out by the timer ramp and a big white truck most of the day Saterday? Those are some GREAT trophies you made that Fluitt posted a picture of on the slalom forum. Later-Paul Howard
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RTS Offset?
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On 1/12/2005
WT
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
Dave,
Not to argue, but do you mean TRACKER'S RTS OFFSET? I'm not aware of Chicken offseting any Trackers, unless it's a one-off that's not readily for sale.
The RTS Offset is manufactured and sold by Tracker, not a third party.
I'm only asking because I don't want Tom T getting confused about where to find what.
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Offsets for Bill
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On 1/12/2005 Dave A
wrote in from
United States
(67.168.nnn.nnn)
My son and I have similar setup slalom
boards but he has PPS rts offset and I
have PPS Indy offset and I can't feel
much difference. Maybe a faster racer
than me could.
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Garage raging
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On 1/11/2005
Mark Johnson
wrote in from
United States
(68.124.nnn.nnn)
There are only 3 racing slots left for the parking garage race Sunday January 23 2005
email me if you would like to enter: Go to link (last post)below for more info!
Dont miss it
Mike M when are you coming up? keep me posted so we can set up a race when you are in town.
MJ
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Garage racing is not over! Let the carnage continue
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On 1/10/2005
Mark Johnson
wrote in from
United States
(68.124.nnn.nnn)
Outlaw Garage racing series Info 2005
Entrance fee $1.00 per heat, winner takes all!per heat
Riding rules:
1. No foot pushing after designated line
2. No grabbing
3 No other rules. Anything goes !
Series and Points for prizes
Racing starts at scheduled time, get as many races in as we can. Pick your best 5 races per night for point total.
1 TO 2 races per month for 4 month, best 3races count for over all points. Prizes awarded to riders with the most points at the end of series.
1st = 1 1points
2nd = 7 points
3rd = 4 points
4th= 2 points
5th-7th= 1 point
8th- X = 0 points
Parking Garage Schedule:
For the month of January 2005
January 23 2005 email me for exact time and location
Meet at Workhouse Recording Studio: 1/2 hour before race time
For directions: go to my recording studio web address (listed below) and click on directions
Studio web address: Click here for link
My business phone # 408 287 1843 call any time
Entrance fee $1.00 per heat winner takes all
{5 people enter winner wins $5.00}
SPONSORS: you guy's keep the fun Rolling
So far we have: Randal Design, Loaded Decks, Khiro skateboard products, Red Clay, and hopefully, more in the future
There will be a video crew for new surf and skate video, shooting some events.
Riders
We have interest from Northern California’s best riders and more, here is a list of riders signed up to come to one or more races this series.
Here is a list of Gladiators Sponsored by:
1. Mico Biffle Bill’s Wheels Ick sticks
2. Justin Ice Loaded Decks
3 Flavien Vidal (frenchie)
4. Eli Smouse Comet Bomb Squad
5. Patrick Rizzo Comet Bomb Squad
6. Mathew Schreiber
7. Clayton Scott Comet Bomb Squad
8. Steven Wu
9. Don Fisher
10. David Price CometBombSquad
11. Hung Chang (H.C)
12. JM Comet Bomb Squad
13. Mark Johnson Randal Design
14. Mario Croft
15. Cliff Coleman Gravity sk8boards
16. Hugh Rigatoni
17. Mike Maysey to many to list
18. Myrran
19. Gary Holl to many to list
20. Josh Zinman
21. Shane
22. Jumbo
23. Marisa
23. Nick Crest
24. Rich Stevens
25. Cory
26. Ryian
27. B.J
for more info
GO TO: Click here for link
Let the carnage continue
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Stuff like no other
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On 1/7/2005
WT
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
Mike,
Tell Evans that Chicken delivered and everything's in the house. I'm an Ick maniac!
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Offsets
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On 1/7/2005
mike maysey
wrote in from
United States
(67.225.nnn.nnn)
Hello all...it's been a while. Personally, I use RT-S offsets for GS. I find the slower turning truck better in the rear. I also dewedge it to slow it even more. I tend to wedge the front of my boards a lot to make most of my turning come from the front. I've never ridden an RT-X offset, but frankly, I've not been interested in them because what I've been riding works so well.
I've also been experimenting with Tracker Mid offsets that Steve Evans has and currently have two new ones sitting in Chicken's garage waiting for my pick up. Tracker Mids bolt nicely onto the RT-S baseplates. I'll be riding them in HS and TS as they are narrower than the stock RT-S so they work better for faster turns required in most HS and TS courses. I dewedge them as well. I find that if the rear is flat, it steers too much and feels as though the rear of my board is trying to come around on me...not a good feeling when powering through a course at high speed. I'm going to pair the Tracker Mid offsets with a couple cut down Geezer RT-X's from the front on my HS and TS boards. On that note, on my GS board, I use an RT-S base with a Tracker Full Track hanger.
As for the term, 'nervous' camber...I've never heard that one. Anyone, anyone?
Keep trying different stuff...sore today. Went for a skate yesterday in between the rain. It's storming in SoCal today and apparently for the next few days. Bummer because Gorman wants to practice at JPL tomorrow...hopefully the rain will give us a break!! Cross your fingers!!
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Offset Trackers for Bill Boothby
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On 1/6/2005 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Offsetting any truck slows the action some and increases traction by moving the axle line closer to intersecting the lines of the pivot and kingpin, that's one theory anyways and it goes more indepth than that. Most riders prefer an offset RT-X because an offset RT-S become much slower reacting. In G/S this feels good, but for G/S and everythihg tighter, an Offset RT-X is more fine-tunable to be really slow turning or much tighter depending on how much you leave it flat or neg wedge it. I had an RT-S offset Chicken did for me and it worked great for G/S and big hybrid and was pretty grippy. Personally,I neg wedge my rear trucks a little if it's a rebuilt offset or TTC or SplitFire and neg wedge them more if it's a standard(non offset) hanger RT-S 8mm axle(mostly T/S application). The only truck I'm finding I like flat in the rear is the Seismic 100mm MMW'd 8mm with the 30 degree baseplate. Everyone's different and there's not neccessarily one single "right" way to run it. What's most important is that you get a tighter and less reactive back truck and a much more reactive looser front truck for 2 reasons-Traction and Stability. Perfectly straight 8mm-ish axles are also a large traction improvement-noticable and worth the price. Good Luck -Paul
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to WT re: slalom terms
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On 1/5/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(142.20.nnn.nnn)
WT...Thanks for those answers. I never see any randals in slalom photos...not quick enough? One More Q...What does "nervous" camber mean?
Skate On,
Tom T
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Offset RT-X vs. Offset RT-S
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On 1/4/2005
Bill Boothby
wrote in from
United States
(66.214.nnn.nnn)
Can anyone shed some light on the performance differences between these trucks?
What can one expect from dewedging vs running flat?
How steeply should one dewedge?
Is there a preference, Offset RT-X or Offset RT-S ?
...thanks BB
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Slalom Practice Jan 8, 9am Bernal San Jose
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On 12/31/2004
Mark Johnson
wrote in from
United States
(68.124.nnn.nnn)
Slalom Practice Jan 8, 9am Bernal San Jose
Weather is perfect as long as it doesn’t rain, nice cool crisp mornings are not bad, the sun is sinning and the temp is perfect for practice. You will be wishing for this type of weather when spring and summer comes.
Hopefully we will be setting up an 80 cone + course for the serious riders and a mellow GS for the newbie’s that show up. This is a great hill for new riders.
There will be all type of Slalom and long board there to try out. Come out and see what the boys that race ride and get some good advise on what to buy and what not to buy, get answers to all your sk8 questions and more!
One more note I will bring some butt boards to try out, Afterwards a few of us might go do some butt boarding, down hilling on some local hills and if there is enough interest from downhiller’s we might make a run for Dina sore point.
Please let me know if you plan on showing up thanks
Contact me at 408 287 1843 if I don’t answer leave a message any time and I will call you back soon, this is my business phone #
Or email me at sjsk8@sbcglobal.net
Happy new years and best regards to all from:
Mark Johnson
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Slalom Terms
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On 12/31/2004
WT
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
RT-X: I guess it means the front truck is "extreme."
RT-S: The back truck is "stable." (I'm just guessing. I've never seen it accurately described.)
MMW: Monkeywrench Machine Works. Eric Walgren ("Geezer-X") has a machine shop in Maryland and does skateboard, motorcycle and auto retooling. He's also a star of major low-rated cable television shows.
Offset Truck: It's a little weird. Traditional skateboard trucks have the axle "behind" the kingpin. For slalom skateboarding, though, the axle is "offset" forward so the axle is now inline with the kingpin. So an "offset" truck is actually straight whereas a standard truck has the axle offset from the kingpin. Isn't that enlightening?
Offsetting is accomplished in two ways: building an axle housing that wraps around the kingpin (3DM TTC's, Asphalt Playground's Splitfire and the Airflow truck do this.) Another way is to make "yokes" that extend the wheel center back to line up with the kingpin (The Tracker Offset, Pocket Pistol Indy Offset and Radikal Dragon Tail do this.)
Offsetting is done to alter the turning radius of the truck in order to improve rear traction. Oh, and it's pretty much a given that all offset configurations involve SPLITTING THE AXLE to get around the kingpin. So insteat of a solid shaft running the length of the wheel track, you have two independent shafts on each side of the truck. This can make it easier to understand some of the complications associated with this kind of truck. Getting those axles lined up and staying in one place is a constant source of enjoyment for slalom racers everywhere.
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slalom illiteracy
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On 12/31/2004 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(142.20.nnn.nnn)
Really appreciate all those replies, guys. Thanks. A few questions: What do these abbreviations mean? RT-X, RT-S, MMW'd, and what exactly is offset about an offset? Sorry about the entry-level Q&A, but no one round here seems to be into it.
Cheers, and Happy New Year
Toronto's Only Slalom Fan
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truck recomendation corrections...
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On 12/30/2004 wax
wrote in from
United States
(24.9.nnn.nnn)
The split fires are not limited to use in RTX bases, I am running some in Indy hangars from some 159's and also 101's
and they work great (the trucks) with the abec 11 slippins
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I meant to say "Pauliwogs Correction", not "Corretion"
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On 12/29/2004 P
wrote in from
United States
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Nothing more to add. Not yet.
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Pauliwogs Corretion
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On 12/29/2004 PWog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Trucks: the Grippins will not work with the 8mm MMW'd 100mm wide hanger(that's the addition/correction) Seismic, they work great with the 130mm 8mm MMW'd Seismic.-P
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