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| Q&A: Chris Yandall on Skogging (417 Posts)
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PEDIDEXTERITY
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On 1/11/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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PEDIDEXTERITY !
let's see, ambideterous is a cool word but even cooler is pedidexter
DOESN'T MATTER WHICH FOOT IS IN FRONT. ONCE YOU GET GOOD ENOUGH, EITHER WORKS FINE. I FIND MYSELF FORGETTING WHICH FOOT IS THE FAVORED ONE. I ALSO AM BEGINING TO GET A BIT GOOFIER WITH MY PUMP AS TIME GOES ON.
THANKS TO SKOGGING, BOTH WAYS CAN MAKE YOU A PEDIDEXTEROUS FOOL.!
<shift - lock disease off;>
cYa
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Foot placement
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On 1/10/2006
Marc F.
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
When I skateboard, I push with the left foot and the right foot is on the front of the board (goofy). Today on my first skogging session I noticed when I was ready to alternate my pushing leg, when I placed my left foot on the rear of the deck near the back truck, I lost control and fell off the board. As I kept practicing I tried moving the rear foot up closer to the middle of the board and it was much easier to contol the board.
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Curious....
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On 1/10/2006 Lenny- DHB
wrote in from
United States
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Marc and I were talking about skogging the other day. It sounds like a fun exercise. What are some suggestions for skogging set-ups?
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sorry but...
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On 1/10/2006
Mike Moore
wrote in from
United States
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Sorry to come off like the dummy here but..
Skogging="Skate Jogging"?
By the viddy's I'm guessing it's a matter of pushing equally with both legs?
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Mark's rides and equipment..
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On 1/10/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
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Cool, Marc.
I'd love to see your equipment, ect!
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Skogging for my first time
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On 1/10/2006
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
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I tried skogging for the first time today. I went 4 miles. When I tried to switch I had trouble pushing with the other foot.. Around 2 miles out I got a little better. Skogging is great exercise. I just need to practice more. I'll try sending some pics next time of my route and my equipment.
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Video on the skogging step(s)
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On 1/9/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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shadow skogging steps with cYa.
maybe another view to help others see and perhaps feel ?
http://skogging.com/ncdsa/MB/shadowsteps.html
Chris Yandall
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5K time postings
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On 1/9/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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Alrighty then, let's get some ballpark figures. I'll attempt to get some this week. It's about 3 miles so figure if you're going 30mph you can do 3 miles in 3 minutes. 15mph would be 6 so our times should be around 10 minutes, eh?
Chris Yandall
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Do it, or Lose it
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On 1/9/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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I'm finding unicycles a better method of keeping one's balance intact for skogging. Obviously anything that requires extreme balance like bongo boards etc, is good but all in all, if you're going to skog, just get on your board and do it!
My next post will have some pics
cYa
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5k Skogging time?
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On 1/7/2006
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
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Anyone have a flatland 5k skogging time? The average runners time in a 5k is around 20 to 23 minutes. The lead runners usually run a 15 to 16 minute 5k. I would be intersted in knowing a 5k skogging time.
Marc F.
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home grown balance board
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On 1/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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36"x10" chunk of plywood and leftover grip tape, then strong PVC sewer pipe with 1-sided rubber sticky tape wrapped around the roller. works great...
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Balance....
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On 1/6/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
A good way to improve your balance, besides skating, is to use an indo board or
a vew-do board. I've been using one during the off season and it's fun. I wont know until spring if it's really helped much or not, but I think it will.
Balance boards are used by many athletes in their training and in rehab progams
as well.
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Hope for me yet...
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On 1/6/2006
Russell Heilling
wrote in from
Portugal
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Well I definitely lean towards the left hemisphere in my thinking, so I can take hope in that ;)
I've taken quite a while looking at the vids on skogging.com I certainly think I'm getting more of a handle on the technical aspect of how to do it - now I just need to work on getting the darn grey matter to cope better with the balance trasitions ;)
btw, I found the take on alternate leg pushing while walking a longer board in Keith Johnson's surface motion pages interesting:
http://www.surfacemotion.com/skate/footbase/soup/crstep_int2.html
I just need to spend as much rolling time as I can out of my comfort zone so I can round out my balance.
Cheerz,
Russell
P.S. Not sure why the site is saying I'm in portugal... I'm in the UK! :)
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the traps there, hit it!
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On 1/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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"get a trap going for those who must capture some kind of record :D" - You must be talking about that Chaput guy -- be sure he runs the trap in both directions for the official time, ok? ;-)
Not only are goofy/mongo pushing switches tricky -- when you're Skumping try goofy/standard pump switching!! All kinds of new ways to fall off your board!
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imitation skogging
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On 1/6/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.95.nnn.nnn)
for russel, just go to skogging.com and look at the very slow moving transition from side to side. the secret of skogging has to do with a total weight shift perception. while switching feet for pushing, your weighting perception within microseconds must rotate from both hemispheres of your brain. i have noticed the left brained people have an easier time with it. i guess we could do some psychoanalysis on properly firing off the proper neurons to make skogging easier but f*ckit!, practice make perfect. FALL a few times. You aint getting 4' vert off a pool wall! it's not that dangerous!
as for skogging up a hill. brilliant! great exercise. but dude, get your skogging wings greased.
i probably didnt answer your question but i had fun responding. i'm off for a skog this morning in mission bay d'anzo cove to seaworld. it's a glorious morning to get a workout before i start my day.
and high on the list is to get a trap going for those who must capture some kind of record :D like skiiing, the racers pushed the sport and as of today we hae "shaped" skiis. who knows what will fall out from our pursuit of flatland skateboard self-generated speed records.
cheerz matez!
Chris Yandall
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Learning drills?
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On 1/6/2006
Russell Heilling
wrote in from
Portugal
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I feel like a total newbie around here, which at just shy of 31 doesn't happen much in skate forums ;)
I took up skating again about 9 months ago after a break of about 15 years. I have a number of flats and downhills on my way to and from the train for work, so it's ideal for starting and ending the day with a bit of stoke :)
I want to try skogging for the uphill sections, but so far my skating progress has mainly been getting my normal stance balance back and developing normal stance skills like foot braking, carving, pumping, etc. My switch stance balance is abismal and my ability to mongo push is even worse so skogging seems like a long way away at the moment...
Does anyone have any advice for any practise drills that might make learning progress a bit faster?
Also, as I see it there are a couple of alternatives for skogging methods:
1. Push with back foot, return to position on back of board, push with front foot, return to the front (alternate between regular push and monging)
2. Push with back foot, position next to front foot, pivot and push with other foot (alternate between normal and switch stance)
1. seems like it would be easier to learn, and probably more stable at higher speeds, but the cross and pivot action in 2 seems like it would help me work towards one of my other current skating goals - being able to walk my 60" deck.
Am I trying to take on too much?
Cheerz,
Russell
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wmf exploit etc
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On 1/5/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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MS announced there won't be an official patch until Jan 10th, but this ComputerWorld story provides a couple links that may be helpful, at least to those who feel okay poking into the registry: http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/1495
Note, the WMF exploit will not be invoked by simply running a WMV file, but any browser or file explorer that displays "preview" images of video files executes it (so it happens with mpeg, mpg, mov, mp4, etc...) nasty stuff.
Here's the trap times posted on pumping forum so far. The pump setup was possibly too long and not optimal for the sprint distance IMHO. Pushing wins in the short run!
JS pushing - 16.9 mph (7.1sec), lightweight drop deck, w/Exkate wheels.
JP pushing - 16.2 mph (7.4sec), rollsrolls w/Randal 150s and 101s.
JP pumping - 14.8 mph (8.1sec), LBL w/CarverCX's and 75mm Avilas.
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silver comments
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On 1/5/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.95.nnn.nnn)
there's a wmf exploit out that requires a MS update just new on their site. once i get that on, i'll have a peek on the video.
as for pushing vs pumpin speed, pushing seems to be the call. at least for our brief test. and yes. ooops. we should've got some video. time to pull a session? who's down? mission beach on a weekday would be prime. the boardwalk as of tonight sucked with sand from the recent high surf. didnt stop me from kickin' it down for a quick 5 miler. ahhh. yes!
more to come ....
cYa
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Skogging setup?
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On 1/5/2006
Marc F.
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
Chris, this skogging sounds really cool. We have a newly paved road for jogging that is mostly flat that goes for 5 miles so I will have to try it out. What setup are you using? Do you switch feet every time you push or do you push a few times with one foot and then switch?
Marc F.
PS: I just bought your signature model, it's great!!
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Trap: Push vs. Pump
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On 1/4/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
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Chris - have you seen peters trap video, Push vs. Pump?
It's really cool. http://home.comcast.net/~jampet99/images/trap.wmv
Chris for a trap run would you skog or use one foot pushing for short sprint?
Obviously for distance skogging or skumping would be the way to go.
Too bad you didn't get any video of you and Chaput doing the Trap.
That would have been nice to have on your site. Maybe it's not too late?
Chaput might want to try out his new Zig Zag wheels on the trap and he'll
prolly break the record on them, if he tries.
Good luck with the dropped board and let us know what set ups you experiment
with. They are fun for skogging, super stable and easy to push.
For skumping a nice cambered deck like your 38 special would be great.
Let us know when you have more boards available.
Skoggers and skumpers need good equipment! Chaputs doing wheels, you could do
some more decks!
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Noble x-country Efforts
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On 1/4/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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I agree for long distance peddaling lower boards rock but when you skump, the lower boards are not as much fun to pump. 10 miles is a short distance for many of you but for me, down a nice smooth boardwalk, I'm liking the cambered/concave laminates for a 10 mile skog to keep me in shape and SATISFY my appetite to smoke up some cement.
I'll get a lower board and give it a good go.
Thanks for the discussion.
cYa
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RollsRolls
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On 1/4/2006
Jack
wrote in from
United States
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Yes, we used the RollsRolls on the 2003 "Skate Across America". I am absolutely convinced that drop center decks are a must for long distance skating.
I am planning to do a solo crossing of America within the next two years, this time from east to west. I want to deal with the traffic and congestion on the first part of the trek and enjoy the wide-open roads of the west during the latter part.
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low riders
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On 1/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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These are some low CG boards I usually reserve for pushing excursions on wet days, or when the terrain is gravelly/unpredictable and not conducive to pumping. Recently busted 'em out again to test some Trap times.
home.comcast.net/~jampet99/rides/gear01.html#Pushing
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Board choice
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On 1/4/2006
Patrick
wrote in from
United States
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I have been using a Flexdex 40 to skag and peddle less. I use it downhill if the hill I nothing and over the flats if I am skating a distance course of hills. I like doing double pumps down wide hills to set up slides for scrubbing speed. What Im using now are Randalls and Kryptos. It looks like you guys are using salomn boards. Any preferance? Oner more thing, on your site Chaput is talking about getting up to twenty. I assume that means you get a push to start cause starting still is a pain in the ass. Whats the deal with the competitions?
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