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On 9/11/2000 Herbn
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You could leave the fingers without plastic , that would make grabs realistic,though not perfect,but slidability would be sustantially compromised, you'd have to be constantly conscious of what part of your hand you put down,my gloves sliding surface is split into two parts, finger and palm,i can grab my board for a stretch ,to get my tuck lower,but its not like i could do backside airs.
If you do a cess slide type move with your butt against the wave/ramp and bert or layback ,butt also against the wave/ramp are they both backside?no berts are frontside cessslides are backside,surf,skate,snow. If you're regular foot, leftfoot forward, any move or aspect of a move, that spins ,slides,or rolls to the left is frontside and viseversa.Stance has nothing to do with the definition of the trick,a switch backside air is just a backside air,if its alley ooped it doesn't become a frontside move,just a backside move that drifts frontside,and if it's landed in a disaster its a frontside disaster or lipslide, but only if it comes in backwards:)
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On 9/11/2000 waxfoot
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By the way, that wouldn't happen to be any relation to the Santa Cruz surfboard shaper Ward Coffee would it??
wax
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On 9/11/2000 waxfoot
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Oh no, not this again! As a surfer I would have to say, if my butt is toward the pavement (or toward a wave) when I'm sliding (surfing), that makes it backside [wave at your front - frontside; wave at your back - backside].... Of course I'm no Coleman expert but all the pictures I've seen I see people butt-down.... The frontside/backside war continues.... (and I thought I was going to stay out of it) :)
Before I get you too steamed at me Herbn ;) I have a sliding glove question. I know you and Hugh are making the full glove sliders, but I was wondering if you guys had come up with a successful glove that you could actually grab your board with.... See the picture of "Scott Ferrell on a Ward Coffee..." (7th row down, 2nd pic from left) in the 'pics' section to see what I'm talking about. I swear I read somebody's comment about a glove like that and scoured the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. I wanted something I could grab the board with as I'm doing (ok, practicing) those low, hard drop-knee turns. Scott Ferrell if you're out there and read this.....?
mahalo
waxfoot
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On 9/10/2000 Herbn
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HHHRrrrmmmm!!!everybody?backside? i have to correct colemanns are frontside.
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On 9/9/2000
Ryan Morris
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If nothing else, wear kneepads when doing any park or fast downhill stuff, because crutches are no fun...remember all those kids that would write into Thrasher, in the Ask the Doctor column with Rick B, with statements like "now I have no kneecap" or "I'm 17 and need a cane"? Sure, knee sliding downhill is a lot rougher than doing it on a halfpipe, but kneepads are still super essential. For a while I tried doing colemans frontside, which is nice because the seat of your pants tend to last a lot longer, one time I kinda lost the tail and did a twisty, rolling bail. I skinned my left knee till it showed a half inch spot of kneecap, and it was not cool. So wear those pads, and do colemans backside like everyone else does!
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On 8/28/2000
Chris S
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Raul,
I wouldn't worry about the kids who do far more dangerous tricks without pads. If any of them are still riding at 40, I'm sure they are going to be wearing pads and a helmet.
I'm about your age, and about a month ago and had a fairly bad fall will wearing a helmet and pads. The result was a minor concussion and some memory loss (I still don't remember most of the day that it happened). Without a helmet, I'm sure I would be dead, a vegetable, or in a coma fighting for my life right now.
I felt silly wearing a helmet too at first, but before long, it becomes natural. Now, about the farthest I've ever got is about a half a block before I realize that I forgot my helmet. I always go back for it, because I feel naked without it.
Good Luck,
Chris
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On 8/28/2000
hugh r
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Raul,
Keep the helmet just in case you do fall... HR
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On 8/28/2000 Raul
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So sorry am I.
Wrong fourm. I read other post.
Keep helmet will I save head.
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On 8/28/2000 Raul
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I skate okay nothing great.I'm almost 40 and I wear pads
and a helmet. The kids at our park do far more dangerous
tricks than I and wear no pads.
I feel silly with helmet.
Should I go without?
Thank
Raul
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On 8/22/2000
MTW
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i must say that after reading all the archives i am moved to
where a helmet. i am wearing a fullface motocross helmet.
and guess what. i have never fallen on my head. i kept
having visions of landing on my face. i have seen a person
who did not have a nose. it was not a good site.
adam, you site has taught me without me having to experiance
the school of hard knocks. thanks
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On 8/17/2000
namon
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waxfoot. Yes, I like the whole tea with the congressmans wife thing, very funny.
I wanted to talk about helmets real fast again. BUt here is the deal. People say "hey wear a helmet, dont care if it doesnt look cool" or whatever. PErsonly, I raelly like the look of helmets. I wear them skating biking, and snowboarding. If I ever got into extream walking, then I would use them then as well. They make me look damn cool. Its got that whole "holy shit, that guy is hard core, he does so much tight stuff he needs a helmet!" and personly, I like it.
So take that all you anti helmets cause they are uncool people!
namon
sporting a helmet, and looking fly
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On 8/17/2000
Mattias
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Just wanna say;USE YOUR HEAD, USE PROTECTION!!!
I´m from Sweden, very far up north, in fact above the arctic circle and that means alot of riding alone and far away from the hospital. I did a really heavy crash with my mountainboard, messed up my knees, elbows,hips and face quiet bad, after that...pads,helmet and a mobilephone is a must if you ride alone!
Keep up the spirit boys!
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On 8/16/2000
Jeff
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about helment and other safty stuff PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE wear them EVERYONE I just got back from the hospital because my friend broke his skull riding my skateboard. please wear one dont worry about how you look.All i hope is that everyone wears pads and a helment everytime and listen to your friends don't try to be hot sh$%^.I hope my friend doesnt have brain damage.if you could find it in your hearts could you please pray for my friend Dan.Thank you
Jeff
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On 8/16/2000 waxfoot
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Namon I agree with you wholeheartedly - when I ride (skate or bike) I wear my helmet not because I have to, but because I'd like to still be able to have all my faculties after a bad crash. GBJ, I think you had some good points about the insurance companies, but here's another thing that I think comes into play - parents of hurt kids. Jonny Bravo wrecks it going down his local hill one day and ends up in the hospital with head injuries because he isn't wearing his helmet. Mrs. Bravo has told him he should wear it, but being a kid, he shines it. Now he's in the hospital with his brain leaking out his ear. Just so happens that Mrs. Bravo has tea with the wife of the local congressman, who happens to also have a son Jonny's age. Mrs. Congressman feels Mrs. Bravo's pain and they decide that there should be a law requiring their kids to wear safety gear. Mrs. Congressman tells her husband to do something about it, and all of a sudden the signs go up at the parks. Now I'm sure it's a whole lot more complicated than all that, but I think you get my meaning. As far as I'm concerned, like Namon, I like my head. Even though I live in the helmet-law-less state of Hawaii, I still put that skid lid on. You never know when it's going to save your life, and prevent a whole lot of pain for your loved ones.
waxfoot
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On 8/16/2000
namon
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GBJ, very good points with all of that. Most of all, with that point about you wearing pads because it hurts to fall. I might not be able to afford very many tickets if I ever get them, but thats not why I wear em' I wear a helmet because I like having my head work. I belive that throught the rest of my life, it is going to help me do many things including holding a job, breathing with out man made help, and making critical decisions such as whether or not I can ride some hills. I think that 70 bucks for a helmet is a very good investment. If they dropped the pads law, I will still wear my helmet. WHen I ride bigger hills I will still wear my pads. When I bike, I am still going to wear my helmet, because, like I said. I like my head.
So, kill the lawers. No one deserves making over 500 bucks an hour for doing nothing but getting convicted fellons back on the street.
bah humbug.
namon
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On 8/16/2000 Herbn
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I'm glad you said it, i deleted a post sort of like that,maybe a little less eloquent in parts,but i still felt like i was a little to much of a lecture. Oh yeah ,kill the lawyers too:(
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On 8/16/2000
GBJ
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The thing nobody is mentioning here, and perhaps the great underlying "evil" behind it all are the insurance industries. Here at the beginning of the 21st Century, the insurance industries control such a huge portion of our daily existances and how we must deal with each other that most people either refuse to look at it or otherwise can't comprehend it.
In the United States, the costs of medical care are inflated, based on the existance of the insurance companies and their broadened ability to pay. Most emergency medical services are charged at a rate that the average American cannot afford to pay out of his/her pocket, without some financial hardship. So, when uninsureds default on their debts, the medical industries (generally) must raise rates. When the medical indusstries raise their rates, the insurance industries will increase premiums. Of course, when an emergency injury occurs to an insured person, the insurance company will try to pay out as little as possible, find someone else on whom they can subrogate the loss AND raise the rates of the insured.
Unfortunately, in an odd, sort of twisted way, this situation forces people. in certain positions of governmental power and responsibility. to regard a failure to wear safety equipment as a "wrong". Sick, huh? Not that I'm saying $100, or $10, or whatever, is reasonable ot not. I'm just saying there are larger forces at play here, than government and law enforcement.
It's like the old motorcycle helmet argument. In states where the law exists, is riding a motorcycle without an approved safety helmet a "victimless" crime. It might seem that way, but can be seen otherwise. So, the helmetless rider falls and whacks his head. He wasn't wearing a motorcycle helmet. Tens of thousands of dollars are spent saving his life, but he remains a vegetable. Millions of dollars are spent sustaining this vegetable through the rest of his natural life. Is this a victimless crime? I'm sure the investors in the insurance company footing the bill don't feel that way. I'd also bet, if next year's insurance premium increase, included detail that $1.38 of your monthly increase was because of John Doe, Joe Smith, Susie Farkus and Beetle Bailey (who rode without helmets and had head injuries), then maybe the consumer wouldn't feel riding without a helmet was a victimless crime either.
I'm not saying I think any of this is good. There's just a horrible, awful symbiosis here that preys on the rights and freedoms of the individual.
As for me, I wear all my equipment. Not because I'm yielding to the system, but because it hurts like hell when I fall down without it.
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On 8/15/2000 Herbn
wrote in from
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One of my points here is,they don't want to teach you anything and skating without pads is not wrong,maybe foolish ,but not wrong;murder,robbery,rape, those are wrong,they just want your hundred dollars.
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On 8/15/2000
namon
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I agree with you both.WHen your mom gets hit with a 100+ ticket, they are going to resent having to pay the money right. IN turn the kid gets that vibe of thinking that the rules are stupid. When I was a kid (hahaha) I would have hated to have to take my allowence and walk on to the city hall and confront the judge and pay the fine. IF my mom did all the work, then I would get a lecture, if that and just go out and skate again.
Waxfoot had a damn good idea with having to go out and buy a set of pads. I twould also work if you had to go in front of the judge show him the pads you bought and have to explain the benifits of them. ANd if you where fined for not having them and you allready owned them. THen you would go to the judge, explain why you DIDNT wear them, and then about the benifits of wearing them.
THat would hella work
I bet you would see 100% more pad usage at the parks.
There are my 2 cents.
namon
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On 8/15/2000 Herbn
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Here's a little psyc twist on "crime" and punnishment.
If a kid got a ten dollar ticket for not wearing his helmet at the skatepark,mom would/should make the kid take his allowance town to townhall and pay the ticket.
A hundred dollar ticket is gonna take mom and pop to pay it out of their pocket,even if they pull five or ten weeks allowance from the kid, there will still be a negative reaction from the parents,and the kid will pick it up,"mom and dad think the rule is rediculous".A ten dollar fine leaves mom,dad and the police on the same side,a hundred dollar fine sets them against each other,this could be about the helmet law,it could eventually be about laws in general.
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On 8/14/2000 waxfoot
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The crummy thing is that it just reinforces with the younger kids that the cops are all jerks. Just shooting themselves in the foot. Duh. Time to break out the 'skateboarding is not a crime' stickers again. Will they ever learn? Hopefully if I have kids some day they'll be into skating rather than gangs or drugs or whatnot. You'd think the cities would reinforce things that the kids can do that keeps them out of trouble. I sure would. I'm stoked to see that the skateparks are coming back. My two (or three) cents.
waxfoot
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On 8/14/2000 Herbn
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Thats cause they don't really wan you to fix it,they want your money.
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On 8/13/2000 waxfoot
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Joe Blow I think you're right. I've checked this forum several times and seen it lacking. Just out of curiousity, how many out there wear their full pads and stuff? I was just at Gilroy skate park this weekend (don't ask me why - it was a blast furnace) and there was a cop giving out tickets to some of the kids without their gear. I gather they are rather expensive tickets as well - one of the guys said $100. One of my bros had an idea - instead of big tickets, why not make it a 'fix-it' ticket like you would get for your car for a broken headlight or something. If you go down and spend the $ on safety equipment (if you don't already have it), and then bring the receipt in to the judge, you get off. Second offense you lose though. Other option, you take your ticket into the local skate shop, buy the equipment, and they send in the ticket to the cops saying you've bought the equipment. Anybody elses thoughts or input on this?
waxfoot
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On 8/9/2000 joe blow
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Guess nobody's too safe around here, eh?
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On 7/8/2000
JC
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I recently bought knee, elbo and wristguards on a whim. Last year I bought a helmet after a pretty nasty head-whacker that almost knocked me out. I've had a few real bad spills at high speed (broken ribs, nerve-damage wrist and hand, bla bla), but I just sort of randomly bought the gear a couple weeks ago. On a single track path last Sunday I came on a group of peds blocking the way, at 35 mph. They didn't move at all when I called out, so about 30 yards from them I tried an ill-advised shoe drag and bailed hard. I fell well (if it can be done..), rolling over my right shoulder. If I hadn't been wearing my new gear, the gouges in my gortex jacket and left elbow guard would be in my bones. My advice... skate hard, never focus on falling, and wear pads and a helmet. I'll save your life if you skate fast.
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