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Best for carving?
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On 12/30/2007
Munnchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.149.nnn.nnn)
Theres alot more that just what bushing to use,
How wide a truck are you using?
How big are your wheels, wide is your deck, would your wheels touch your deck if you had no bushing, if so too soft and your gonna hit the tarmac.
Personaly, i think Khiro and its a case of the right height for wheel clearence and as soft as your can get away with, but Khiro have that 'return to centre' that we talk about so much, no harder than blue i recon!
Although i find using flat washers and white barrels (if you can get 2 on your kingpin) to be great on the front of any 'carvy' set up, blues on the back?
Thats just me.
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DH bushings
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On 12/29/2007 DH_turi_lychtz
wrote in from
United States
(72.220.nnn.nnn)
what are the best bushings for DH/carving?
what would be the best durameter?
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Bennets / Lazers
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On 12/25/2007 Curt
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(88.144.nnn.nnn)
Dear herbn / Geezer-X
Does this perhaps mean I would be wise to buy up stock of retro trucks seemingly just for the Bushings? The U.K. Still has Red Telephone Boxes,
Biplanes and Pie shops. Er. ..Which is a good thing!
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low resilience bushings
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On 12/24/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(67.83.nnn.nnn)
On my boards,they have full wheel clearence so my bushings don't need to be progressive to stop wheelbite,and my trucks are built with shallow stable geometrys,29 deg back 40 up front,so my boards can be pretty damn loose and still be stabile. I'm wondering about a nonresilient bushing,sort of like my mountainbike suspension,when you pick it up and drop it it lands like pizza dough,it doesn't bounce ,at all. So if you had this type of bushing if you would steer the truck with your hands(like to check for wheelbite) when you let go of the wheels the truck would just sort of slowly return to center,with no bounce,
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Rubbery Old Rubbers
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On 12/20/2007
MaskedSkater
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(90.207.nnn.nnn)
Let me echo Pre-school, i know if there were reflex abec11 bushings i and many others would be squirreling them into our stashes for sure, i too drill wheels, but flippin heck its a pain in the butt, so yes please C.C.Claus we'll have some under the tree or just soon as you can over here in good old Blighty. MS
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Rubber Bushings
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On 12/19/2007
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(38.105.nnn.nnn)
I was selling high-rebound neoprene rubber bushings in 78A for a while. I had a source for 1" diameter rubber rod with a 3/8" bore, and I'd slit them into 9/16" lengths on the lathe. They felt and looked just like Tracker TK-05 and TK-051 bushings from the 70s. The old Bennett rubber bushings in the 70's were awesome, but the new rubber ones on the first batch of new Bennetts weren't as lively. On most of the 30-odd hot rodded Bennetts I did, I replaced them with lathed Stimulators. The lathed Stim is still the benchmark for rebound. The ones I had tested were 90+ % rebound, which is quite high.
See Buy-Sell-Trade for your stims.
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Rubber-Bushing thingies
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On 12/18/2007 Pre-School Rider
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
And,, this one STILL wonders 'why' C.C. hasn't unleashed bright (either Pink or Green) colored Bushings onto the scene to give us better-turning trucks? It's simple enough in terms of a process (ahem, Before the urethane is made into wheels!), and the cost Vs. the sales price has got to be profitable? Chris, c'mon! The world is almost OUT of Stims... I know, my bad, should've just kept it to myself + friends.. Oh, wait, NCDSA riders have often become my friends... Now I'm confused...
So, C.C., Make Bushings, Dagnabbit!! Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
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google confusion
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On 12/18/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
the google ads are based on page content.
'skateboard TRUCKs'
those are tailgate hinge for trucks.
(I know that cuz I clicked on it before ;-) )
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total auto?
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On 12/18/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(67.83.nnn.nnn)
does anybody know what that ad down a bit is? carb linkage, shift link more likely. Why is it here?
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lighter fluid
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On 12/18/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
the first bushings issued last year were the original, re-issued rubber, and the ones coming out now as stock setup when you buy a set of trucks, are urethane. i don't recall exactly when that switchover was made.
what i saw posted by several others before was to soak the older red rubber bushings in lighter fluid, for 20-30 minutes, then clean them with dishwashing liquid. what this really seems to do though is simply speed up the break-in process. i've broken in a few sets of the rubber ones just through riding and although they do feel a little bouncier after a while, i never quite got them to snap for a pumping/racing deck the way i'm used to with urethane.
the rubber's got a slower return, which works alright on a couple of my dedicated carving set ups, it's just a mellower, hippy-surfy feel.
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i saw bennett 90a urithane
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On 12/18/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(71.127.nnn.nnn)
i don't know if anybody is doing real rubber bushings.Would be kind of interesting, they'd probabely need to be bigger,like 1.25 or 1.375 instead of the little 1.0,a larger diameter bushing would probabely need to be longer too,i see some DHer's already grind out their randal dh trucks,and make those big bushings out of wheels, i guess they use old coned wheels,chaput uses defects,i think.
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big red rubber
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On 12/17/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
herbn, we are talking about rubber not polyurethane.
are the bennett's natural rubber?
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neuralizing in soap
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On 12/17/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(67.83.nnn.nnn)
i know soap is a base, that would stop an acid,i guess that would mean gas is an acid. Actually washing off the gas with anything would stop a reaction if there is one.Using a base to stop an acidic reaction is mostly for chemical reactions that happen very quickly and need to be stopped at a very precise moment,soaking a bushing for a half hour is hardly a quick reaction . I'm still doubting the whole soaking polyurithane in gas to somehow fix something that's wrong with the urithane. What is it again the gas is suposed to do? soften it up, by breaking down the urithane?
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bushings
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On 12/17/2007 Daniel M.
wrote in from
United States
(74.252.nnn.nnn)
Hmm, glow in the dark bushings, now you'r talking.
I've heard of the soaking in gasoline trick. If I recall you are supposed to soak them for about a half hour or so and clean them with dish soap to stop the gasoline from continuing to break in and eventually degrade the bushings. I'm pretty sure that this should only be done with rubber bushings rather than urethane.
I mainly ride bushings that I cut and lathe out of wheels(mainly abec 11) and khiros. I havent played with too many other types but I've been satisfied so far, and have plenty of duros to choose between the ones that i've made and my khiros.
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Rubbers an' such..
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On 12/16/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, HC, I was actually thinking of the 'red' 90a Urethane Bennett bushings. I figured by now the 'rubber' ones would've been all snatched up by NOS/Retrogear collectors. I did skate on a Bennett (up front, on a Fatboy Slalom deck) with the Rubbers on it. It was turny, kinda damp feeling (low rebound?), vaguely reminiscent... But I prefer using taller urethane Rollerskate bushings on trucks like that (ACS,Lazer[Skateboard Lazer, not the Quad trucks]Proccer and Energy's), while my old narrow pivot Tracker are quite happy with Khiros, Doh-Doh's,NOS 'thane Trackers (LT.Blues are great up front!). It seems that the height needed on older Trackers better suits newer bushings, where the really Tall oldschoolin' trucks need more depth in the bushings.
Funny, truck cushions being calling 'bushings' Vs. being called 'rubbers'-- Hmm, IF the market-teers went back to using 'rubbers', they'd probably get a sales spike from the teenage adolescent market-share! Of course, that'd inevitably leave the next phase towards nubbed rubbers, and/or Glow-In-the-Dark Rubbers! ;-)
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oh say it's not so
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On 12/16/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(71.127.nnn.nnn)
bennetts red rubbers are not all they claim to be!?... next you'll be telling me there's no santa.Back in the day i messed around with the acs kit but i didn't really like any bushings til tracker came out with their urithane bushings ,oh yeah before trackers i think pillz were pretty good too, these days powells are still kind of the way to go, though those Khiro bushings are pretty good too. I'm not to sure about that soaking in gasoline thing,used to be "the way to improve ojs" i think it's just an urban myth spread by people you like to hang around with open jars of hightest.
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big red rubbers
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On 12/16/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
psr, I find those those stock rubber bushings pretty horrible.
many have said the same on the fish, and that its not like the original.
someone recommended dipping it in gasoline??
or that it needs to break in ???
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155? on a Skinny Fibreflex?
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On 12/15/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Bob, 150cm is WAY too wide for that deck! Kinda more along a Teamrider (with centerset or narrow wheels, maybe, but 150's and Tunnels would fit an ACES, which is close to 9" wide!) or wider slalom deck like an Axe or Subsonic.
You really want 100mm width or less, which takes Randal out of the picture entirely. Siesmic does offer a 105mm hanger model in quick (front,45*) and stable(30*,rear) baseplates. The only thing I can figure for issues is that the selection of springs dosen't match up with 'slalom' usage, which would be a Vendor's issue, not Your Issue. Take YOUR MONEY elsewhere unless there's a safety issue!
Tracker's RTX/RTS would be good, or maybe a 4.3" Vector (up front)/RTS rear. I'd even invite you to consider Midtrackers(85mm) on that deck...
In any case, be aware that skinny decks like that require a bit of planning in matching truck and wheel width combos. You can easily Step on a wheel just pushing along, nevermind cranking out turns on steeps, with the wheels hanging out past the deck. If the board is Skinny, keep the trucks skinny/narrow, too.
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Seismic 155?
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On 12/15/2007
Bob Swartz
wrote in from
United States
(76.106.nnn.nnn)
While ordering my son a carve / slalom rig for Christmas I got a response from a vendor that there is a recent little problem with the 155mm trucks and the Randal 150mm was suggested as a replacement.
Question.... what is the problem with the Seismic truck and what would be a good alternative for carve and slalom on a G&S 29" Fiberflex ProSlalom Cutaway? I am not hearing of many using the Randals for slalom like I do on all my downhill stuff.
The "boy" is 21 and is 135lbs.
Thank you
Bob
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Randal bushings, again...
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On 12/15/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Randal's with flat washers will work quite well, as Mark notes. I defininately agree with using stainless flat washers, and have asked 'why?' as to Randal's choice of cup washers several times here over the years.
Randal's baseplate, if you flip the kingpin (nut up by the hanger), actually dosen't need a lower washer; But, you'll lower the ride height a smidge, and the bushing (especially wider, square-shoulder ones)will 'squirm' in deep turns. This wears bushing quicker, though not as quickly as the stock washers chewing them apart! BTW, TOSS the bushings that're chewed, as they SPLIT APART, usually right when you need turning stability...
Good bushings; Tracker Superballs, but the Lowers only [which means you'll have to buy twice as many, and you'll end up with little top bushings; you can superglue them to the underside of the toilet seat, though. ;-) ], same is true with Doh-Dohs. Bennett Big Red Rubbers. Conicals, Holey's bushing kit (good luck finding the soft ones!). Khiro also is good stuff, though the height profile is tough to match up (though they're a great top bushing choice).The taller Powell-Bones bushings are great as top bushings, save the little ones for your kickflipper.
With fat ones, Stimulators, without a lower washer, work on the bottom nicely, but limit the lean a good deal. Radikals, very much the same, but they don't fit the hanger snugly unless you spin/file/trim a notch that tucks up into the hanger pocket, so that's expensive [just to get the bushings] and tricky to reshape the bushings 'just right'.
Lastly, look at SGI and Lazer Rollerskate(quad) bushings. You'll find some suprisingly good medium/soft compounds with taller shapes, too.
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Randal bushings
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On 12/15/2007
Mile High Mark
wrote in from
United States
(206.124.nnn.nnn)
Just replace the stock Randal cup washers with flat washers, and no more cutting/tearing. You also get more "travel," too.
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Randall Bushings
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On 12/15/2007 Rob in VA
wrote in from
United States
(70.160.nnn.nnn)
Two of my friends have bought Randall trucks and the stock bushings appear to be getting cut apart by the top washer. Any recommendations on replacement bushings would be appreciated. Can you put standard bushings in there (like Tracker Superbals) or are they a special type? Thanks! Rob
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Grizzlies Bare!
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On 12/10/2007
JamieM
wrote in from
Canada
(70.49.nnn.nnn)
I don't know why Landy persists in referring to the angle of the hanger. Personally I just refer to the baseplate angle and the hanger orientation(Flipped or Unflipped). Coming up with a proprietary method of calculating "steering angle" is confusing and as you guys have pointed out,inaccurate. I've had at least one set since last Dec. The Bears are an OK Longboard truck. They are still a few revisions from being a really good truck!
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groundsurf
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On 12/9/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
leaning rear wheels?
groundsurf.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boyington/sets/72157603393621884/
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bear
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On 12/9/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.198.nnn.nnn)
"So the confusing Bear,it sounds like if you took randle and bent the pivot knob on the hanger a bit to make it a different angle,47 instead of 50, when you flipped it ,it would be 53 degrees. Neither represents the actual turning angle because you've got that comprimising action going on, but you do have a change in angle."
Herbn, I agree with that, and that's why I question their claim of 10deg change just by flipping. (btw I haven't taken apart a Bear yet, need a closer look to see the details.)
Also, I think we are using the 'Fake' steering axis for different things.
The way it was use in the diagram is to simply point out that connecting pivot to axle for the steering axis is just wrong. An exaggerated example would be to connect pivot to axle on an Indy and called that the steering axis, which is obviously wrong thus 'fake'
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