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Clone Alone?
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On 8/17/2009 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(87.113.nnn.nnn)
You mean you didnt have any Holeys either....not really a 'clone' as they are different enough to have different riding properties to say, a Randal 180. More turny, different looking, great quality. makes for an ideal cruisy up to a bit of light downhill action.
All the best truck are designed in the UK these days, didn't ya hear? (!)
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"randal clones"
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On 8/17/2009 Herbn
wrote in from
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A customer needed to replace a single truck,"car vs longboard", and we were looking at the various brands of "randal copies" this kid is saying ,"i like paris" not randals,but just for curiousity i asked "what exactly the difference is to you", he could not state anything specific and was fairly humourous, but i pulled out a camino truck,no randal in stock at the moment.Sure enough caminos are about an 1/8 inch (3mm) higher,in my boook that's different,it looks to be mostly in the baseplate,i'm not sure if the hangers would truely swap. While most of the the randalesque trucks have the 50 degree turning angle crails have a 45 degree angle,are they still around? The only ones that i consider to truely be clones are the absolutely exact copys with the name granded off,every body else has probabely tweaked the design a bit here and there,but what are the exact differences? So,bear,camino,gullwing,paris ,randal,tracker,crail, i'm gonna start measuring as i get them, we know their turning angles, i think basicly the main difference would be ride height, trackers got their big bushings,bear too,i think the bear geometry basicly falls inbetween their two claimed angles i don't think they really change angles when flipped ,they just follow the kingpin. Oh well, how ever few people read this, if you have an opinion about a particular randal looking truck ,share with the class.
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Wide trucks
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On 8/15/2009 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Drew, I still have a pair of Indy 215's on my Buttboard. The front is mildly wedged at +5* (lower at the pivot), the rear negatively wedged at -10*. I run Stimulators and stiff (black or yellow) Khiro barrel bushings. The Stims snug the truck up nicely, but still let it turn. The Khiros clamp down on the Stims, so just crank a little with the wrench to suit the speed or cornering you want. It's not wobble-proof, but it rarely does wob, and then not for long.
Now, as for trucks that're similar, the bigger Tracker Dart is more stable, wider, and imho, has axles that're less prone to wear. It turns slower, as the geometry is mellower by a few degrees, and doesn't do the 'twist+turn' that Indy's geometry does. That means you want to wedge it a bit more up front, maybe use less angle at the rear, too.
Gullwing has made (I don't know if they still do) a version of their 80's SuperPro that is really wide, like 250mm or so. And, I've seen it online offered with thicker 10mm axles. I haven't been on those, but used to use the old SuperPro back in the early 90's for downhill/luge. It's like the Dart, but a bit mellower yet in steering. I think you'd have to change kingpins though to fit taller bushing like Reflex or Venoms? Not sure on that, but I recall it was tough to fit taller Barrel Trackers on, and Stims didn't do so well on the Gullwing baseplate.
Now those are 'traditional' trucks in this size. I'd definately recommend you look into Bear,Kalahani,Grizzly,Munkae,Jim-Z,or Randal trucks for going fast. All of these have been used with success in downhilling. As for "new + different", look at GromBiz. Tool-less adjustment and variable steering geometry.
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indy 215 + stability
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On 8/14/2009
drew
wrote in from
United States
(24.22.nnn.nnn)
whats up?
Just want to know what direction anyone has gone is the pursuit to make the indy 215 more stable for Downhilling? Canting ?....what direction? Hangers? Any wider morte stable truck out there.
I have remained loyal to the 215... but want to know the latest.
Drew in Oregon
drewtrout(+)yahoo
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death trap trucks
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On 8/7/2009 herbn
wrote in from
(173.3.nnn.nnn)
the worst trucking experience i ever had was on the steel stamped "california" trucks, same thing a bahne truck. They had some slop in the metal to metal pivot and they would wobble like crazy at speed.They felt solid,certainly heavy and sort of inspired confidence, in all other situations but they would let you go way to fast and then irretrivably wobble worse than any other.At least with the d beams(never had the pleasure) you probabely knew not to go to fast. Neither truck "ruled"
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intimidating trucks
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On 8/6/2009 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
Herbn, I tried really hard to find Nylon D-Beam trucks on the web, but I think they've filed for Chapter 11 (maybe even back in '77 or so..). One-piece techno wonders those are (um,were), they'd completely fluster and freak ANY skater you'd ride with, because your Nads would have gianormous to ride them faster than walking speed!!
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which trucks?
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On 8/6/2009 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(71.125.nnn.nnn)
i need some that i can have for a long time,trucks that wil help me intimidate the people i skate with ,they have to rule. Which ones do you guy(s) recommend? do they have a website?
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Randals rule!!!!!
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On 8/1/2009
Jimmy Flindt
wrote in from
United States
(75.4.nnn.nnn)
Randal trucks for life!!!!!!!!!!!
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hey look a randal ad
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On 8/1/2009 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(71.125.nnn.nnn)
talk about a tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it. Well at least i know one person saw my post.does that cost anything?
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Randal.com
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On 8/1/2009 Jimmy
wrote in from
United States
(75.4.nnn.nnn)
this is the vid two posts down that got taken down for a few adjustments.....
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bear "adjustable"
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On 7/30/2009 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(67.83.nnn.nnn)
i was writing up a little review ,a unsupported, "this won't work" then i thought of a test. I bolted up a bear truck onto unfinnished pig board with a set of gripons. "That won't be a good set up it'll wheelbite" ,why yes it will,it certianly will,i have no intention of riding this set up, i even stuck little bits of griptape on the wheels,to leave stratches and with the hangers flipped the wheelbites were in the same place, if anything they move a little further when flipped(more steering,not less).The hangers probabely have a bit of offset like randals so if you feel a bit of increase/change in stability when you flip the hanger its not because of a change in turning angle its negative rake,just like randals. You see the pivot cup is a flexible pivot so are the bushings but the bushings are larger and have a much greater influence on the angle that the hanger pivots on.So botttomline, the hanger goes pretty much where the kingpin and the bushings determine it to go. They do seem like good trucks, the bushings feel very springy, i've liked the idea of oversized bushings since speedsprings,and lazer 9's.
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www.Randal.com
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On 7/28/2009
Jimmy Flindt
wrote in from
United States
(75.4.nnn.nnn)
Randal Skateboard Trucks - Jimmy Flindt riding GMR
www.Randal.com
www.Randal.com
www.Randal.com
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New at speedboarding
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On 7/22/2009
Eric Wurfl
wrote in from
Spain
(81.202.nnn.nnn)
Hey! I´ve been longboarding for quite a few years, but mainly been cruising and doing small tricks, I´m starting to do downhill and I´m trying to decide what to get... the board is still undecided, but regardless of the board.. what non-too-expensive downhill trucks options have I got? Any advise? Thanx.
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three hole pattern trucks
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On 6/15/2009
morgan
wrote in from
United States
(24.196.nnn.nnn)
hey i'm desperately looking for an old school pair of three hole pattern trucks. i found an old bahne board that i'm trying to refurbish
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MICHEL FROM BRAZIL
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On 6/14/2009
Tad Drysdale
wrote in from
United States
(71.112.nnn.nnn)
I have a set of the latest version of Magun truck to sell, they are new and unused, I paid $700 us for them, and I have decide that I do not need yet another expensive set of precition truck and would like to sell these. and would be willing to sell them for $550 us plus shipping. email me if you are interested. I could send pictures. ta.drysdale@gmail.com
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virage
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On 6/8/2009
munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.44.nnn.nnn)
Oh yeah, i like the virages,
money and a young family dictate, i have to just look and dont touch.
I was just intregued about the Split pro, i had not seen them before.
Munchh
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Virage pivots
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On 6/7/2009 Pre-School Rider
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
I'll chime in here about the Virage pivots. Awhile back, I was asked what my fave 'slalom' trucks were, and whether I thought that a spherical pivot would really enhance performance, or even if it did, would it be worth the extra cost? My reply to the guys at Virage was that old-school-pre-gnarly Trackers, ACS's from the 70's, Lazers (even Proccers) all had a common idea at the pivot, which was a low-turning-resistance small diameter pivot set at an angle that lines up with the middle of the kingpin(so, not an "Indy" type geometry). This means less 'twist' thru the lean/turn, thus less stress at the pivot, and cleaner, quicker turns. All of those trucks, however, usually require a wedged riser for Slalom use up front.
So, Virage wisely chose a small-ish ball-pivot(less turn resistance, yet with enough strength for dealing with at-speed bumps into cracks, manhole covers and the like)made to a set finish and size tolerance. One less mechanical interface that could fail, less of a fuss in fitting the truck hanger to the baseplate(both in production, and w/ bushing changes), plus being a ball-end shape, it can deal with differing urethane bushing heights, or 'twist' in the steering geometry without affecting the inner spherical bushing (which keeps the steering true, quick, precise).
This is an example of good, clear design thinking that draws on lessons from the past as it competes solidly with the demands of the future.
(for my advice, for what it was worth, I've recieved no compensation, as it was also with the NoSkool wheels, so this rant is not an AD, just a POV and IMHO)
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Virage
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On 6/7/2009
Michael (Octane Sport)
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(87.114.nnn.nnn)
Rear Virage does not have any spherical bearings, but machined pivot to close specs fitting a hard Khiro pivot cup snugly.
Front Virage has spherical imperial bearing to fit grade 8 kingpin perfectly, in the hanger, specially scalloped so that hanger can be removed without removing kingpin. Front pivot is machined like the rear. Bottom picture shows us when we were checking the tolerences to get the hanger over 3" kingpins, we tweaked it to be 'just enough' to be able to get the hanger over. We didnt put sphericals on the pivot areas as we felt there were ride and feel advantages to slightly dampen the jittery shock of metal on metal.
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Virage
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On 6/7/2009 G
wrote in from
United States
(67.172.nnn.nnn)
Does the Virage have a spherical bearing in the hanger and baseplate similar to the radicals or GOGs?
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Munchh Split --> Virage
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On 6/6/2009
peters
wrote in from
United States
(67.183.nnn.nnn)
Steve, you can find Splitfire pros occassionally, but only when some lost soul has decided to put their set up for sale here, SF, ISSA or eBay -- it's hit or miss. I don't know how many were in Fluitt's last run, but I know they've been coveted ever since then.
If you really dig that design I recommend checking out the Octane Virage-- slalom or LDP versions, I've been running on both types of setups. A very similar feel in precision and turn, much closer to home for you!
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The Veritable AsphaltPlayground Splitfire
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On 6/6/2009 Paulskiivoxg
wrote in from
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..........A moment of silence please(.............), Thank You. -P
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One ACS500 hanger and pivot cups needed
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On 6/6/2009
Adrian Fielding
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.134.nnn.nnn)
Can any help to reserrect a great set of trucks please? I am looking for
ACS500 pivot cups and/or one hanger
Do any other pivot cups fit ACS500s?
Adrian
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Split Pro's?
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On 5/27/2009
munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.44.nnn.nnn)
I'm playing catch up i know, but i'm just wondering how many of these were made or out there, i had never known they did a version with the kingpin bearing, i really like my splits, but the bearing would have made them beter still, did any get out of the States?
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Truck Mod's
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On 5/22/2009
Paul Howard
wrote in from
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So far I have some ideas, I'll take you up on your offer if get around to actually doing it. Thanks - Paul
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Truck Mods
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On 5/22/2009
Skully
wrote in from
United States
(207.14.nnn.nnn)
Paul,
Sorry, I "meant" to say RT-X, but you could do an RT-S or two, too... ;)
A far as setting the bearing in, I currently use both JB weld (unbaked) and 2-ton epoxy. Hit me up via email if you want the exact procedure that I use....
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