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Pauls stuff
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On 2/28/2001
hugh r
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Hey Paul,
The value of the Santa Cruz deck is probably pretty low... I don't consider them as a paticularly "collectable" board. In good shape, maybe $20.
Which model of trucks are they? In great shape they may get up to around $60 for the pair. Less if condition is less than perfect.
The wheels can go from being worth $0 if well worn, flat spots, etc... to maybe the $40 range if in very good shape. More if like new.
So if I was going to guess at a value of what you've described... I would put it in the $50 - $100 max range.
My opinion only... HR
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Santacruz
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On 2/28/2001 Paul d.
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About that Santacruz mentioned below,please can anyone tell me what it's worth? Or what a sane person ,who likes it alot, might pay for it.
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Omni Comp 2
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On 2/28/2001 Mark
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Anyone ever heard of these wheels?
I have a NOS pair: cream yellow, 62mm, feel like about 78a,
flat backside with slight bearing recess (not flush with back),
nice tapered edge like an early OJ, name in raised letters.
I assume they are from about 1978 or so.
Who made these? Was "Omni" a company and "Comp 2" the model?
I would appreciate any info.
Mark Colden
Dallas, TX
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On 2/28/2001
DL
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Late 60s early70s .Solid fiberglass rockered Hobie loose ball bearings.Im in a tuck .As I look down Isee my lock nut coming off then the D washer, cone , then all the little ball bearings racing me dowm the hill.Stayed on fried my axle.Lived to tell Thanks.
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Old stuff
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On 2/28/2001 Herbn
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My old stuff is all really beat up too,oh yeah,that's because i SKATED it,not collected it.I only wish i had that kind of money as a kid.
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discolored
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On 2/28/2001
dom
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The discoloration is normal because your old stuff was probably exposed to the light during all those
years
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SantacruzBennets+OJ's
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On 2/27/2001 Paul d.
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I hate asking these questions but I need to know. What's it worth.... Santacruz (like the fibreflex),Bennets (good baseplts.)and OJ's. The board is in pretty good condition not overly warn.Also, a couple of weeks ago I saw some guys web site (can't remember were)with alot of old stuff that didn't seem to be discolored at all.He had some kryptos,OJ's,and a purple Banzai,etc which looked to good, to bright. My old stuff is all discolored. The discoloration must be normal or maybe it's our artic air.
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My o.g. set up
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On 2/26/2001 Herbn
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That wheel truck combo Indy 88 and Conical Snakes was on a Kryptonic foamcore,the smaller one.It had a certain cloud like feel,very smooth at the time,it felt fun and forgiving on bumpy rough or kinked terrain.My other set up was a Caster Strople with glass 7.75 ,indy 109, Sims Snakes red 92.5 a this was a more responcive ride but harsher.
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70's krypto add with specs
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On 2/25/2001
hugh r
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Thanks fot the pic herbn...
http://hugh308.homestead.com/skatemag_pix4.html
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white yo-yos
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On 2/25/2001 STEVIEB
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Herbn your 77 set up was pretty much the ultimate at the time but White yo-yos where another wheel that didn,t make the transition to conical very well I had a set of double conical white yo-yos they where piss poor and once cubics came out it was time to forget them.
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herbns old mag pics
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On 2/24/2001
hugh r
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Here are the first three... HR
http://hugh308.homestead.com/skatemag_pix4.html
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Old mags
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On 2/24/2001 Herbn
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ok,ya'll in for a treat!i just preveiwed some pics of my magazine,damn they look good!they seem to look better on a monitor than they look in real life.I'll be sending them to Hugh,i use my photo software to enhance first(+9)then brighten a bit excellent.This stuff is probabely atillse opyrightca,if you don't tell ,i won't:)
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Kryptonics colorcode - Star-Trac
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On 2/23/2001
Mad Rat
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I have found a picture of translucent red Kryptonic Star Tracs. I have mailed the pic to the wembaster Adam, hopefully he'll get the picture up here soon and we can all see this rare Kryptonic
Peter
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Emotions
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On 2/23/2001 Herbn
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I must retract a correction,i was looking for my mag with the Krypto ad (color pics)and i saw the emotion ad while i was at it,funny i remember a singular pic of a Hackett frontside sliding but there was also a backside carve of the other Hackett as well as Biniak,Alva and somebody else.Coinsidently both Hacketts are turning left,so they follow my "brother rule" on stances, they ride opposite stances,stances are mostly learned,brothers are perhaps psychologically inclined to try and differentiate themselves,or maybe as simple as wanting to watch each other while they're first learning to skate,ooh! very deep, huh? I was gonna bring the mags in and take high resolution pics and email them to hugh to post.I glued a all ash v-lam,it snowed,i was running late,and left them on the kitchen table,tommorrow then.I was told about rubber characteristics by an engineer, he may not know all,but until i see it done,i.e. a rubberwheel winning a dry,highspeed race,and even more convincingly,ride them myself,it's just talk,which is not a bad thing.
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Kryptos, again
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On 2/22/2001 GBJ
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My guess about the greens was defintiely not about the later, opaque lime greens, but rather the early bottle green ones. Of course, I could be wrong on all counts, because my memory is based on discussions of my friends wheels. I do remember that all the early Kryptonic formulae, whatever the color, had the problem of heat induced softening in the vicinity of the back bearing. That might be the "wavy lines" you recall. I currently own an old set of the second generation blues, and the area around the back bearings is all bubbled and warped.
As for the date, check your time lines. Further investigation continues to indicate that Kryptonics are first mentioned in Skateboarder in the April, '77 issue. It's kind of tough to tell, because over the years, covers and contents pages have been lost on many magazines, but I can tell you this... the latest 1976 issue that I could positively identify was the August, 1976 issue. In that magazine many, name-brand wheels were still be marketed with loose bearings or the NEW, Precision bearing. That's too early for Kryptos. Just double check one experience against others for reference. In the Spring of 1977, the first non-vert, concrete skatepark opened in the Maryland suburbs of D.C. When the park first opened, I was riding a sheet of fiberglas called a Bunger, with ACS 650s and Road Rider 4s. I distinctly remember Tunnel Rocks coming out that Spring, too, because they were the hardest urethane wheels we'd seen yet. That was still before I saw Krypts. I think I first saw Kryptonics, in person, in them middle-to-late summer of 1977. By Fall and winter '77, I'd evolved through a Warptail and onto a Warp2, w/ Midtracks and White Yoyos. By that time, Kryptonics were certainly around.
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1st Kryps
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On 2/22/2001 Scabs
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I saw a post below guessing the green kryptonics to be the "hard-all around wheel". While this may be true of the 3rd generation bright green wheels, it was definately not the case of the original coke bottle green raised letter wheels.
I also think they were released prior to `77. I had G&S Fibreflex Bowlrider set up with the 1st green Kryps. They were so soft that on the first 2 sets I had, I returned them because I thought they were defective. They didn`t cone or chip but rather wear un-even. Kinda like swirly grooves around the wheel. Something to do with the pouring or mixing process I guess.
I still kept riding them `cause they were soooo schmoooth.
They seemed real fast but that may have been a misperception due to thier uncanny schweet glide. Quiet too!
I think they came out before `77 too for if memory serves me right (I was there in the 70`s...remember?? MAYBE) I had that stick in the summer of `76. In Florida too!
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Sims Snake Conicals
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On 2/22/2001 Glen
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Herbn, it's funny you mention how bad the Snake Conicals are. Tom Fain set up a deck with an old set of Snake Cones, and brought it out to our Tuesday night Brickyard session a few weeks back. They were some of the most "piss poor" performing wheels we have ridden in......20 years.
I had this "remember when they were the best" mental image that was stored up from 1979. It truely is amazing how much better the wheels of today are.
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Rubber comment
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On 2/22/2001
Duane
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Herbn, rubber formulated for resilience has higher resilience than any urethane. This can be done with either natural rubber (polyisoprene), or synthetic butadiene rubber. Particularly with butadiene so formulated, the tear strength becomes poor, and the rubber chunks fairly easily. The durability drops as the resilience is increased. A good quality superball (not the gumball machine variety) is usually highly cross-linked butadiene. Rebound is well above 80%; urethane cannot give these numbers. Does this mean rubber so formulated is faster than urethane? Yes. Would it hold up in a skate wheel? Maybe for a few fast runs. The liability risk would be high. As far as I know all of the rubber skate wheels out there favor durability or traction, so the rebound and thus speed are poor.
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Krypto red vs. pink
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On 2/22/2001 GBJ
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You're correct, as usual, Herbn, but it's because I keep making a simple mistake. I keep referring to the early Red Kryptos as pink, but there's a twisted, had-to-be-there rationale to that error. Remember, the big, original reds after they'd been ridden for about a week on anything more rough than perfect pavement? They'd end up looking like (and riding like) a fat wad of soft, pink bubble gum. It's that memory of bubble gum that keeps making me think pink.
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Avon Boosters
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On 2/22/2001
STEVIEB
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Thanks for that Madrat I had been trying to remember the name for ages I wanted thoose so badly as a kid so I could skate in the rain.If you,ll take a bad price for a set e-mail me.I checked the Skateboard! covers in the archives its quite funny how some of the guys mentioned are regulars on this site.
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Emotions
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On 2/22/2001 Herbn
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"On any other wheels i would've kept sliding,but Emotions let me pull it back into the bowl"Its a frontside lipslide.Pink Kryptonics were slalom wheels released a bit later,early soft Kryptos were red. I think Hobie Sundancers may be up there on the stupid products list,they looked kind of cool,i think i rode one though,and was very unimpressed.Their wheels were not very good,firm and slow like my Sims Snake conicals,which i've actually skated recently piss poor wheels,if Hobie had gone to Kryptonic for red rollers they might have had something,but i think they wouldv'e needed a time machine for that,i don't know if they were around at the same time,Sundancers were also untunable,like Torsions but no alternate springs were available Find me one cheap,i'll fix it:)
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Glen: Wizard wheels..
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On 2/22/2001 Eric
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Glen, I have a set of those I used maybe 3 times.... think I bought them on sale in the late 70's.
Cool diamond pattern tread(ack) allmost as wide as the Sims Bowlriders, and in a lovely baby blue color(ack again).
They were also as hard as a rock(for those days).
But in the days when Bell bottoms, Afros, and Disco were still cool they fit right in with one of those 3/8 thick solid fiberglass boards with the Hawian graphics and chicago trucks ;P
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Skateboarder, April 1977
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On 2/22/2001 GBJ
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This is a fascinating issue, to say the least.. it has the first Quicksilver ad, the first Gullwing ad, Chris Chaput and John Hutson's "Who's Hot" features and what we seem to be the first press release from Kryptonics...
Duane Hermanson of Kryptonics out of Boulder, Colorado, announces, "in seven years of urethane technology, we have found urethane's development potential to be limited only by man's imagination. In tapping that potential, we have developed five new wheel formulations which cover the range of skateboarding needs in a way never met before." In addition to one hard (90A) and one soft (83A) all-around formulas, they're featuring a slalom formulation offering a balance between speed and grip, a high-speed formulation which provides rapid acceleration and prolonged momentum for flatlands and skateparks, and a final formulation offering speed control and phenomenal traction for super-steep and rough road cruising. Three wheel designs are available, allowing a total choice of eleven tunable combinations.
Well, it seems Herbn had it right on the nose. Although this press release with its' b&w photo does not match deasriptions to colors, my guess would be that the Green was the "all-around hard wheel", Blue was the "all-around soft wheel", Pink was the ultra soft speed and traction wheel, and that the Orange and Yellows were one or the other of the specialized slalom or high-speed formulations.
As for Emotion wheels, I've found an ad for Emotion in the January 1978 issue. The ad features Alva, Biniak, Woody Woodward, and Paul and Dave Hackett. The only photo that seems to be taken at Skatercross is of David Hackett, backside on the same wall that I'm recalling seeing Paul on, I think, but the wall is shot from a completely different, low angle, because Dave's goofy-footed and from above it would've been a butt-shot. Didn't SkaterCross always have those fluttering triangular flags strung up above the park? This issue is also notable for its' coverage of the Catalina Classic, one of the most commercially visible skateboard racing events held during the 70's.
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Emotions
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On 2/22/2001 GBJ
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I knew you SkaterCross locals were out there. I'm definitely not disagreeing with you, I just have a fixed mental image in my mind of Paul Hackett carving frontside through that big left-handed vert snake run corner, on Emotion wheels. It looks like I'm building up reasons to bust into my Skateboarder archive. I try to avoid doing so as much these days, since some of these magazines are now so fragile just turning pages can cause them to crumble. I'll check my recollections and let you know what I find.
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skatercross wheels
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On 2/22/2001
hugh r
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Circa '79 at Skatercross... I don't remember ever seeing the emotion wheels either. Lots of Kryptos and Simms wheels is what I remember... Sunspots too (don't remember who made those)... HR
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