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RACE TRUCKS
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On 9/27/2000
KLUDY
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As soon as you get the RANDAL speed trucks up to about 25 or 30 mph and in a race you want to be clean in the turns this truck will do it. Going in to a turn , a sharp turn at 45mph you dont want speed wobbles . RANDAL trucks are the best to pull your foot off at that speed and brake then put your foot back on the board and make the turn. I ride with my life on the line , you bet I run RANDALS. YES THEY DO TURN
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Turning radius
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On 9/27/2000 Herbn
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Well put Chris C,my six foot radius board is a totally insane ride at 25 to 30 or whatever the fastest i've gotten it to,but its not a towering torsion freak board,its the same exact ride height as your race board,same wheels.I don't hill ride it often and i choose mellower hills,steep stuff ends up like tring a too steep hill on your snow board,you end up sliding sideways most of the time. But when i return to my Randals they feel extra stabile even when very loose.
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Turning Radiuses
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On 9/27/2000
Chris Chaput
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You have to put things in perspective here. I'm always seeing these posts about how somebody's torsion trucks can carve a 6 foot radius on a 48" board and my first thought is "who in the heck needs to carve a 6 foot radius on a 48" board and if you did, you'd have to be going about 3mph". If all you ever did was go up a driveway and carve back down, then that's perfect. Realistically though, when you're going 45mph, how quickly do you need to turn? If a truck can turn enough to successfully navigate through the tightest of hairpins, then it turns well enough. Its stability becomes the key issue. The Randal Downhill can easily make hairpins and is inherently stable, even when loose. Some trucks that turn quickly have to be cranked down tight to become more stable and are then harder to throw into a turn. I wouldn't put the Downhill trucks on a pure carving board, and I wouldn't put R-IIs on a pure speedboard. You could however, put a 10 degree wedge pad under the Downhill to increase steering to 45 degrees, or decrease the steering of an R-II to 40 degrees. You can also swap the R-II kingpin to come up out of the baseplate (locknut on top) and use different cushions and cap and for more stability.
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randals
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On 9/27/2000 craig
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thanks chris
I have had rII's for a year now, and have been using them mainly for speed, not carving (what a shame, theyre awesome carvers!!). Now i want the downhill, but i'm worried about cornering performance. You say the downhillers hold clean lines...thinking about that, i'd imagine that if you rode them well, they would be better in the hairpins, because you could hold a good line. But that sounds a bit scary to me because sometimes in a crucial turn you need to make adjustments, especially when racing. If your trucks don't respond, you'll ride into a car, skateboarder, or a tree.
Am I making the issue sound bigger than it is...i mean, how unresponsive can they be?
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leathers
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On 9/27/2000 craig
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Nick
I cannot tell you how to get hold of leathers in your country...But i will answer your rhetorical question. Yes, if you're not racing, second hand leathers and motorcycle helmet are a must. I'm riding with a dorky motorcross helmet, without a face. If i don't change that soon, i'll also end up without a face. I managed to put my first hole in my leathers, on the bum. I would be standing write now if it wasn't for them. Trust me, you will fall, sooner or later, don't be wearing spandex.
Until then, get good kneepads, wrist guards and elbow guards. And any helmet you can.
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evolution
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On 9/27/2000 shnitzel
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yes hugh, your totaly right! except the board we ran at the seattle downhill was very much like the one chris is designing. if you are at the barrett junction race you will soon see the refined version of that one. that little dh board was built as a sidewalk cruizer with a little twist of speed. The board we will be running at barrett junction will be soely deseigned around one purpose!!!
oh yeah, i should thank you for all the compliments on quality! i am an ex-shop teacher so you hit the nail on the head!
later,
shnitzel.
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Leathers
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On 9/27/2000 Nick
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Ok i,ve got a board ready to ride fast. Up until now I,ve only used standard skateboard pads and helmet. Now I,m interested in leathers and proper helmet. Would a second hand pair of motercycle leathers and helmet do. I,m not racing at present, just interested in hurling myself down some steep hills bloody fast.
Any tips on leathers & helmet would be much appriecated.
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Randal Downhills
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On 9/27/2000
Chris Chaput
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If you're getting Randals, consider the following. The Downhill trucks are designed for stability at speed. They don't respond quickly in turns, they hold a steady line when pushed. If you want to pump or make quick carves, get the R-IIs. They use a 50 degree pivot angle as opposed to the Downhill's 35. You can flip the hangers on the R-IIs and tighten them up to make them very stable, but not as stable as the downhill. You can loosen up the Downhills, but they will never turn as quickly as the R-IIs. If you can only have one truck, get the R-IIs. If you need speed, do your body a favor, get the Downhills. Both is better ;)
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Speedboarding and randals' trucks
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On 9/26/2000
Craig
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...altough after checking the wad of organsiation notes at the bulletin board, that could have been organised through e-mail. But i still find the argument about definition a funny one, which crosses over into human ridiculousness everywhere.
A friend of mine rides the randal downhill trucks, which i imagine ride similar to the comp-ii's. I do realise that they are designed for stability at high speed. Whereas my Rii's are for medium speed carving. but the downhill trucks seem to be really unresponsive in the corners, compared to me and my trucks. I admittidly haven't tried his board, so it could be his riding style, but i have heard similar complaints. What are thoughts on this before i rush out and purchase downhilll trucks.
Craig
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Speedboarding
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On 9/26/2000 craig
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Hmm, that brings me to the definition of things, such as "speedboarding". We have discussed this ad nauseum, i know, so stick this note somewhere else if you will.
When i try and go as fast as i can on my skateboard which is designed for going fast, i belive that i'm speedboarding. If i happen to be racing other guys, using other guys to go faster, or using only equipment and tuck to go as fast as possible. That is speedboarding. Many guys might have a different view. Discovering another person from the same city as me, in africa (!), on a california based forum(!!), who partakes in, and wants to become better at "speedboarding", and thus trying to hook up for a "speedboarding" session to improve our abilities so we can kick everyones butts when they come race here, is still, in my opinion, on the topic of speedboarding.
Thanks
Craig
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Speedboarding
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On 9/26/2000 Adam
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This forum is strictly about Speedboarding. All unrelated posts will soon be moved to the Bulletin Board. Please keep things on-topic here.
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"No, you da man Rick!"
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On 9/25/2000
DT
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You sound a little "chapped" Chaput, sounds like all those silvers have spoiled.
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side note: Dr-Go Fast Speed helmets have been dominating American speedboarding for years!!!
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evolution
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On 9/25/2000
DT
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Sean Mallard was riding boards like the ones landyachtz and chaput are designing 5 YEARS AGO! This is not a new idea!
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The neckless rider
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On 9/25/2000
Gunnar
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I don’t know if this idea is any god, but couldn’t it be possible to make a speedsuit that covers the helmet, with only a hole to see through,
This way it will be possible to use a ordinary “safe” (no sharp edge catch in the hay) and not so damn expensive helmet, if the fabric in the “hod” is stretchy enough it would be easier to turn your head around to see how far behind your competitors are, (and block them if they get closer ;o)
I wish I had the guts to try it my self...……………… ………………… …..but I don’t..……………& #8230;….at ALL.
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evolution
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On 9/24/2000
hugh r
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As a consumer, refiner, adjuster, sometimes hack,
I believe that some of the best products start as an idea from another guys product. As Chris C has pointed out, there are a number of major differences between the board he designed and the Landyachtz DH. While there is an overall similarity in the flavor of the decks, they are by no means the same.
Hopefully, Chris's design will be very functional and then the Landyachtz guys can springboard off of him too. The more guys working on similar products, the better the end result will be to the consumer.
Chris does have a few obstacels to over come in his design. Mostly that of being able to build it. The angles he is going for will be very difficult to mfg. Hopefully he will only have a scrape bin ratio of 1 to 2! This is where he should be talking to the Landyachtz guys! Because I don't think anyone out there can "build" a better than them... these guys know woodworking.
I appalaud him for wanting to produce a board that is both trendy and functional.
Now Chris C, don't take this as me sticking up for you... I will still be the guy who teases you until the end of time. While I don't have the skill to beat you on the hill, I will whoop-ya on the web my friend! Who loves ya baby? HR
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Landyachtz
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On 9/23/2000
Chris Chaput
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Currently, the Landyachtz DH differs from my design in the following key areas. My deck will be flat in the area where the trucks are mounted, the Landyachtz DH has a severe angle to contend with. My deck will have a little rocker in them, the Landyachtz DH does not. My deck will be narrower in the tail than the nose, the Landyachtz DH's rails are parallel. My deck will be wider, have more flat area in the middle of the deck, and have a less radical concave than the Landyachtz DH. My deck will be offered with drop-through trucks as an option, the Landyachtz DH does not. All of the "angle" in the front of my deck is on the cutout portion, the "angle" in the front of the Landyachtz DH deck starts on the riding platform and continues up the cutout area. They are different in length, wheelbase, weight, thickness, color, country of origin and price, but other than that they are identical ;)
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Landyacht
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On 9/23/2000 curious
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Are you building a landyauht? I know you can be more original ,sorry wrong forum,skate safe chris!
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Red Bull Seattle
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On 9/22/2000
WildTM
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Results and pictures of the Seattle race can be found at http://www.redbullusa.com In the gray box click the Sports tab and then Seattle Downhill at the bottom.
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T.V.S.
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On 9/22/2000
Chris Chaput
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Terminal Victory Syndrome. Why do I get the feeling, at any minute now, that Mark Golter, Gary Hardwick, Reed Lowery and DT are all gonna make "No, you da man Rick!" posts? If a TVS rider wins at Barrett Junction, I guess I'll just have to grin and "Barrett" ;-)
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WHO IS THE MAN !
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On 9/22/2000 KLUDY
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hey , Jimmy , who is the man , REED is and now he is the rider to gun for. How much fun is that.See you all at franks place. Its a real fun hill. LATER - KLUDY
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The Mellow Marsh
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On 9/22/2000
Chris Chaput
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Jimmy Flindt, As I've stated before, I don't think concave in a deck is a bad thing, it's a personal preference that I haven't found to be of significant value, YET. It sounds like you like it, I assume Biker and Todd and Dread do too. In an effort for me to discover its value in a low cg speedboard, I am tooling up the molds for a concave Roughcut with a little rocker and drop in it as well. Check out my rough sketch at http://www.chrischaput.com/speedboarding/concave.jpg for my concave concept board. Let me know what you think. Will I see you at Barrett Junction?
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MARSHMELLOW MAN
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On 9/21/2000 FLINDT
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Good race marshmellow man, but concave downhill boards are where its at.
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Comp II's in UK
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On 9/20/2000
Steve Mobbs
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Craig,
I don't think anywhere in the UK stocks the CompII's, but I know Toby at Airculture in Bude, Cornwall stocks the Randall Downhill. Surrey Skates also stock Randall bits, but I don't have a phone number. Airculture can take web orders and post them to London. Their website is www.airculture.co.uk, which has contact details listed.
Good Luck - I had to go to The States to get mine!
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the ultimateride
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On 9/19/2000
hervé
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after a dramatic accident in a tunnel 2 years ago in Chamonix(fr) the longboarder have progressively got the road access as a long board recreationnal circuit.
You can imagine all riders last week together downhill on a large and long way in the bottom of Mont Blanc mytic mountain.
everybody is welcome there before winter, it will be the ephemere ride because they wants to re open the road to the trucks...
Europeens starts strongly the longboards in cyties and roads.
you are welcome.
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