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Banning stuff
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On 10/2/2000
Danny Connor
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Hey guys,
I think that orginizations should ban as little as possible. EVERYONE ia a little diffetent as far as technique and style, so EVERYONE needs to use what is best for them. I'm not saying we should be able to use 60" long boards, 12" wide trucks, and 5" wheels, but we should be able to use what we want within a certain perameter. If someone uses something that will make them faster, then someone should stop complaining and get it himself or have his sponsors buy it for him. (cough, cough, um BIKER). Stop complaining and start racing.
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Regulations
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On 10/2/2000 craig
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These sorts of attitudes are dumb. But maybe the rational behind it in downhill is to keep racers on an equipment par, thus the racers ability will come out. I like that idea, because, being a student in a country with a poor currency, i can barely buy the bare minmum stuff needed to compete. My Ccheap) motorcycle leathers were sponsored to me, without that i would never have them.
On the other hand, that is only my sad story. After all the aim of the sport is to go as fast as possible. The formula one drivers don't exactly drive around on a motor held together with steel rods wearing square helmets. As long as the equipment is safe, i reckon it should be allowed. Us poorer folks can always make a plan somehow.
But, i must contradict myself again, being a skater, i really do inherently prefer the attitude of bothering less with equipment.
Why would they ban kevlar suits?????? Are they somehow dangerous?
craig
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RULES
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On 10/2/2000 RICHARD
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MAYBE WE SHOULD BAND ALL THE RULES AND JUST LET EVERYONE GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE,THIS IS A SPEED SPORT ?????
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BANNED WHEELS
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On 10/2/2000
Simon Gunning
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Well hyper made 5" wheels with a super mundo core and they were
BANNED at events run by various people, even though the rules a signal hill allowed wheels up to 5"
you are right
The problem is there are to many rule makers, I think a lot of the old rules still apply, I do think that the politics that
has been caused by various associations in the US wanting to be NO# 1
Oh imagine " You can not skate in our comp, you have not got the right attitude"
This has already happened with a number of people who have all got the right attitude - But have a good chance in winning the comp
Names have been withheld , this has been happerning over the last 12 years
No wonder the Olympics are so far away
Simon Gunning
BADASS
www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/badass1
we allow speed suits etc. at our events so all the banned skaters can come here to race anytime.
safety is still no.1.
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Landingham Helmets
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On 10/2/2000
Chris Chaput
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Now that the lense opening has been widened to increase visiblity and that EDI's technical inspector knows that these helmets are being built with the strongest materials available by a reputable speedski and extreme sport manufacturer, they are allowed in all EDI sanctioned events and the Gravity Games. IGSA will also allow both these and the Dr. GoFast helmets in their events and the X-Games. Both helmets and kevlar leathers and speedsuits are good to go at Barrett Junction this weekend. If Bainbridge Ohio has a standup event in its tightly schedule streetluge race, both helmets would be allowed. Kevlar leathers and speedsuits are allowed in all race formats there as well.
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Landingham helmets?
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On 10/2/2000
Lonecore
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What's the story with Landingham helmets?
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Banned Leathers
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On 10/1/2000
Chris Chaput
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Biker has already informed me that my kevlar leathers would be banned in the EDI race series and the Gravity Games and that speedsuits may only be allowed in qualifying.
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illegal speed suits
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On 10/1/2000 Herbn
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There are speed suits used for bicycle(until they were made illegal)timetrail,they have strategicaly placed and shaped ribs and or seams that are supposed to channel air away from high pressure areas and make it flow over the slippery areas,it must work because they banned them,then again the conservatives retrofacists that make those kind of rules for bike racing will probabely ban gears soon:)
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RANDAL TRUCKS + AERO SUITS
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On 9/30/2000
JON WARBURTON
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HEYHEYHEY JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AT SANTA ROSA 99 I WAS GOING TO RIDE INDYS LIKE ALWAYS . RANDAL SAW THIS AND SAID TO ME " YOU CAN'T RIDE THOSE YOU'LL KILL YOURSELF" AND GAVE ME A SET OF HIS TRUCKS. HE WAS RIGHT. RIDING AT ABOUT 60 MPH ROUND A LEFT AND HITTING TWO 50 MM EXPANSION JOINTS ON 70 MM WHEELS AND NOT A SPOT OF BOTHER. I TRULY BELIEVE HE SAVED MY LIFE. BEAR IN MIND THAT I HAD NEVER RIDDEN THEM BEFORE AND I PLACED 4TH AS A ROOKIE.
THE OTHER IS IN REPLY TO GUNNAR ABOUT WEARING A SUIT OVER YOUR HELMET. IT WORKS, I SAW PICTURES OF HICKEY USING IT AT VIA VERDE YEARS AGO. IT'S AN OLD TECHNIQUE WHICH WORKS WELL, BUT NOT AS WELL AS MY PLAN TO GROW A CORAL IMPLANT CONE ON TOP OF MY HEAD AND CUT MY ARMS OFF. YOU GUYS BETTER LOOK OUT. SURGERY IS THE NEW AERODYNAMICS. CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE OUT FOR GORY PHOTOS AND UPDATES. WWW.FREENETPAGES.CO.UK/HP/BADASS1
SEE IT SOON!
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Danny Connor
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On 9/30/2000
Foot braking
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Hey guys,
Well, today I finally realized that I need to get off my lazy butt and practice a little for Barrett. I mostly bomb straigt hills, due to the lack of any good ones whereI live. I can brake to stop like any other guy, but the Todd Lehr, and Dane VanBommell method of braking bfore hittin' turns was another story. You know, where you grab the board, and drag a foot to air-brake as little as possible. For some reason, whe I went bomin' today, it just clicked and I can do it with the greatest of ease. It kinda boosted my comfidence for Barrett, because I wasn't to sure about those hair-pins, but I'm ready for it now. Any pros competing there?
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Skatercross
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On 9/29/2000
Lonecore
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Neils G.,
skatercross odes exist in Switzerland. It's called "Rollerball" and people ride it with long-, slalom-, and newschooldecks. Check out
http://indiana.ch/indiana/events/mainevent.htm
for more info about the event.
Lonecore
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foot brake
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On 9/29/2000
hugh r
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About a month ago I watched Chris C and Mark G foot brake to a stop from very close to 50mph. Very scary... If they hadn't been able to stop, it would have meant ingressing into 4+ lanes of fast moving highway. The distance it took to stop was, maybe, 300 feet (or a little less!)
HR
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foot braking
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On 9/28/2000
KLUDY
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I do not like to put my foot down at any speed but some races if you did not you would get hurt.I whent thought my 1th set leathers in my 1th year just learning to put my foot down to stop not to slow down but just to stop. In AUSTRALIAS X- GAMES LAST YEAR IF YOU DID NOT BRAKE AT 50MPH OR REAL CLOSE TO THAT SPEED INTO A HARD LEFT , I AM REGULAR FOOT RIDER, YOU WOULD HAVE GOT HURT. The only Australian rider broke his arm in practice in that left. I CAN PUT MY FOOT DOWN NOW BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK.That left was just the 1th turn it was a real fast hill.
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Foot Braking
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On 9/28/2000 Pre-School Rider
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I try to put the brakes on Before the turn,not in it.this allows one to get back into the tuck,while in the turn.It also takes away some of the "inside foot braking" because you're still reasonably stable before committing to the turn.The real problem is in packs,where the other guy may have picked the braking zone You don't want,and turning on one foot(while braking) is also 'unstable'.Airo braking(got webbed gloves?)is a nifty way to give yourself that extra little space to manouver in,but it can easily leave you out of the draft if mis-timed.For foot brakes,take a cue from streetlugers,and use shoes that slide well,but have the support and enough grip to keep you on the board.Urethane soled "workmans shoes" are pretty good for this,but ugly.The Steel toes are not good for standup,though they work nicely on sleds.The trick is,as previously stated,not to stop(in this instance)but to slow down Just Enough to crank that next section.Whomever taps into the gravity cleanest,and slices the air smoothest,and out thinks his opponents at speed,wins!
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Braking
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On 9/28/2000
Chris Chaput
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On a streetluge (where you are truly parallel) it's not at all uncommon to brake with the outside foot in a turn (the inside is sometimes hung way to the inside for leverage in the same turn). On a skateboard where only Todd Lehr and about three other riders in the world have a parallel stance, the rider almost always drags his back foot in both left turns and right turns because to lift off your front foot and be left standing on one foot on the back of your board at high speed with a turn to contend with is, shall we say, a tad bit unstable.
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Terms
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On 9/28/2000
Neil G
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Hmm, with pack skating I think the proper term is "Chinese Downhill" as ski downhill is always solo.
Maybe we need skatercross, a pack downhill course with banked turns and launch ramps. Get yer insurance paid up, boys...
Neil
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footdrag essays
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On 9/28/2000 Herbn
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cool,essays.I was visualizing footdrag braking turns like sliding around turns, foot down, on a bike,or motorcycle ,it seems like one foot off sort of converts whatever stance you skateboard in, into a parallel stance,a bike is a offset parallel stance,you would never drag your right foot in a left turn.I'd like to try it,but it seems like a waste of sneaker,but if they ever had a race within driving distance,it would not be a good thing to learn the day of the race.
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apology...
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On 9/28/2000 GBJ
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I meant I am "always the odd man out," not Craig.
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Speedboarding?
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On 9/28/2000 GBJ
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Always the odd man out, Craig's question reminded of my basic feeling that skateboarders should adopt the same basic event terminology as the alpine skiiers. In which case, "Speedboarding" would be a straight line, extremely steep, almost purely aerodynamic event, like Chaput's proposed high-altitude assault on the World Speed Record (see the Speed Skiing page at ChrisChaput.com), and "Downhill" would be what most of the people on this page are discussing, with pack-skating, turns, braking, drafting, etc.
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Anti Slowboarding
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On 9/28/2000
Chris Chaput
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It's not who goes the fastest, it's who slows down the least.
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Speedboarding
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On 9/28/2000 craig
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is it still speedboarding if you're trying to slow down to go faster??
that makes me think of a hint i got for trying to go faster on a mountain bike down a non technical hill. The guy told me, that as you start going too fast to peddal in your top gear, slow down a bit with your brakes, until you can peddal again, then crank it with them legs. I don't know if it actuall works, or if it just feels better. I don't know if it would increase your average or your top speed assuming it does work. i was very young at the time.
If anyone feels like thinking about this and incorporating it into skating, whether racing or speed records, please do, and let us know what you think. I can't imagine it helping, myself. But maybe it has merit...
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Braking
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On 9/28/2000 Craig
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I have to join in here.....!
In our race, i, being an air braker at the time, was drafting cem,roli and Sir Orton on different occasions, all of which would race into the corner, and brake. That left me for the S**T. Look at the Red Bull DHX video, i was forced into a 3rd in the semi final because i crashed this way, you see me bash the bails, stand up and throw my hands in disgust. I looked like a dork. Never-the-less, when i didn't crash, id try nip around the outside of the brakers, but i was going too fast, and had to slide around the corner, the brakers could keep their speed down, and ultimately took the corner faster. Being an S-style hairpin, within seconds i had to face the same F**** problem again, everytime! That left me to drafting in the final straights. Normally i overtook the guys, on Ortons advice to me: "if you get caught behind, don't get scared, just hang in there, draft his ass and you'll get him eventually" (see chaputs video) This advice would have lost orton the semi finals....except for the minor detail that i couldn't get anywhere close to him, whilst drafting, after entering the straight at only 5m behind him???
Aerodynamics!!!!!!!!
Back to braking. I don't think it matters whether the turn is left or right. I brake best with my front (pushing) foot. But that leaves a lot of footwork to get back on the board and back into your tuck...a big problem, hence my crash with a car that i described before. I have been crouching, and gripping my board with my hands, and then braking with my front foot. This is much much better, but i'm having problems quickly unentangling my knee from my arms. My new idea is to learn to brake with my non-pushing foot, the back foot. It's harder to stop with, but you don't want to stop in a race, you just want to control your speed. This has been a fairly scary excercise, Rii's and all...But i'm getting it right through yoga, pushing with my non pushing foot when i travel, and braking at progressively higher speeds. It's only as hard as learning to do it initially. Now,just before the corner,i stand up on my left foot and air brake for a millisecond, and drop my back foot, slow down, put it back into my tuck position, grab my rail, stick out a gloved hand and crank the turn...well that's the idea.
That is my essay, if you read this far, you have too much time on your hands.
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Braking
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On 9/28/2000
Chris Chaput
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Generally speaking, you don't want to brake with your front foot unless you are going straight. I push and brake this way (mongo) and it will cost me dearly until I can master braking with my other foot while turning. Before entering a turn that is too sharp for your current speed, you need to brake or slide or both. If you can only airbrake, you have to start slowing well in advance of the turn and drop footers can go right past you and brake while staying low, right before the turn. If you are trailing a drop footer and are unfamiiar with the course, as soon as he drops his foot to brake, you're toast. No one can react quickly enough to brake and all you can do is try to avoid the rider in front and take your lumps. Every combination of slide glove, foot dragging and airbraking is being done with both feet in both stances (and parallel) in both left and right turns by different riders, but if I were just starting out I'd put on a pair of slide gloves and learn to brake with my back foot while squatting. This may require you to grab your board, but it's better than holding on to your ass and hoping for a miracle ;) If you hear someone talking about a "technical" hill, it is one that requires the riders to do some kind of braking or sliding or both. It definitely separates the men from the boys.
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The footdrag
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On 9/28/2000 Herbn
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interesting concept, never really needed it,then again there are no races around here,i can however see it as the fastest way through a corner,though handdown sliding is the funnest.I saw a picture of the ultimate switchback road(i think it was in a biking magazine)many many turns,so tight, that you'd probabely have to do three pt turns in a car bigger tha a honda Civic to drive around them.If you were racing down this kind of hill,would you switch braking your braking foot for left and right turns?seems to me,the ultimate skills to have would be (as a reg ft.)to brake into right turns with your right foot and depending on how slow you need to go to make the turn(or if you over brake)push off with the braking foot,brake lefty/push quazi for left turns.For straightline braking i think it's more natural to drag your pushing foot(back foot for most),but to brake into the apex of a really tight left turn,your legs would be kind of crossed(reg.ft.) I'm just tring to get an idea, to what level foot drag braking has evolved.
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Wobble is a four letter word
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On 9/27/2000
Chris Chaput
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I agree with Rick Kludy 100%. The last thing in the world that you need at high speed is to try and "correct" a speed wobble. You need to concentrate on setting up for a clean line, determine your need to either tuck or brake, feel the drift or grip of your wheels and position yourself well with respect to the other riders. If you are at all concerned about your trucks stability, you're riding scared. There are enough things going on in a race to get your heartrate up there, "iffy" trucks shouldn't be on of them. I will definitely experiment with other trucks, but personally I wouldn't be speedboarding right now if it weren't for Randal Race Series trucks (Downhill, Comp-I, Comp-II).
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