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choices...choices...choices
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On 8/19/2000
Robert James McKendry III
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I want to set up a new speedboard with a shorter wheelbase for quicker turns. I have a board for the big hills and races on longer hills. I'm looking for something a little shorter, but way stiff. Keep it under 40 and handle chicanes, 90s, flat or concave(deck). http://www.bobridges.com/act/action38.htm
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Chris Chaput
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On 8/19/2000 Herbn
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Somebody named chris answered a question of mine over in vintage just yesterday, maybe he was away from his computer for a week.Lucky
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this grand master of speed CHAPUT
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On 8/19/2000
drakkar
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By the way where is Mr CHAPUT gone ???? Back to the deads for 20 more years ;-)
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Caerse.
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On 8/18/2000
Pablo Mirabile,Cristian Vizcaya,Eduardo Pavoni.
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Hay que fijarse bien cuando uno va a cambiar la direccion del board porque a veces puede ser peligroso.
Tal es asi que estas personas se han caido y no han llorado , pero a golpes se aprende.
Good Luck.
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Going Fast.
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On 8/18/2000
Jose Francisco Manno Santiago
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Control is the key , nothing else when i ride at 80 km in the Mountains of my country (Argentina), in Mendoza an state very similar to California in all ways.
You have to concentrate yourself in the moment and breath softly, taken care of all your moves, looking every step of the way, cause there is many holes on the pavement. So just concentrate yourself and Ride With Pride.
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Speedboarding
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On 8/18/2000
Adam
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All off-topic posts have been moved to the Bulletin Board. Please respect this new forum and keep it focused on serious speedboarding.
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Air Foils
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On 8/8/2000
Chris Chaput
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Davd,
Foils and fairings are not allowed in many races, and most people don't want to practice on something they can't run in a race. Aerodynamics can help alot, a little, or not at all, depending on the venue. I am currently designing a deck that is shaped out of dense foam and covered with a carbon fiber/kevlar cloth. The board will be lightweight and will definitely be aerodynamic, pushing air around the deck, wheels and trucks and over the leading edge of my front shoe. Because this board employs a "unibody construction", it is NOT considered to have a foil or fairing such as a "bolt-on" nose cone. Remember, aerodynamics are largely unnoticed at lower speeds or on highly technical courses where functional turning is critical and riding ability is key. My philosophy is that every competitive advantage is a worthwhile exploration because when all rider ability is equal, the better equipment will get you the win. If you can afford the technology and/or develop it, do it!
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Red Bull in SF
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On 8/8/2000
Chris Chaput
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Scomo,
If you had seen the hill, you'd understand. Only Daryl Freeman (freeboard), Cliff Coleman (slide gloves) and Gary Hardwick (sky hooks) braved the hill on skateboards. The mountainboarders have (and used their) brakes. Luges can just point and go. Skateboarding would have difficult at best on the "cheesegrater" section, named for its snap, crackle and pop like surface. It has traditionally been a streetluge event and time constraints actually bumped the six man luge race altogether. They could have held slalom at the bottom of the run, but most of the crowd wanted to be closer to the jumps up the hill.
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red bull sf event
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On 8/7/2000 scomo
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this is kinda out dated, but i was wondering why this event didn't have downhill skating? it had mountain boarding through a slalom and over a jump, but why didn't it have a skateboarding event like a short slalom course or a drag race? just curious.
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air foils
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On 8/7/2000
david
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has anyone ever tryed putting some sort of air foil on the front of a board?
would that have any major impact on speed?
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speedboard stances
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On 8/7/2000
hugh r
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This might belong in techniques...
I am in the process of posting some old skate mag pix of the Catalina Classic. I have some up now that show the different stances that the old time fast guys used. Pretty interesting, especially John Hutson... very tight...
On my site in the "old skate mag pix" section... HR
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Slappies (in the Speedboarding post?!?!)
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On 8/7/2000
GBJ
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Very mid-school. I'd wager Chris isn't familiar with the term, but could do them effortlessly as a result of his freestyle background. The larger question is whether Chris would WANT to do a slappy? btw, the best "Slappy-ist" I ever saw was a guy named Rodney Cassell, who rode for Madrid in the late 80's. A very cool guy, Rodney could slap curbs and ledges that wouldn't even be considered "slappy-able" by most mortals. Some of the curbs and ledges he'd slap (frontside or back) were approaching the 18" range! Chris, if you don't know 'em, I'll explain slappies to you later. (i'm gonna give you a ring) You'll probably laugh.
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Further truck mounting sillyness
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On 8/7/2000 Herbn
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You could mount the trucks upside and backwards, mount the through the board :0 that way your wheels wouldn't have to be quite as big and risers would still be risers. Seriously though upside down mounting pulls the pivot apart,with soft bushings and loose trucks they could possibly pull out of the pivot in a stressful situation, like if a colemann slide happened to go over some cracks,much worse than popping out on a slappy grind.Just for kicks ,does Chris Chaput know what a slappy grind is,perhaps the coolest surf/street moves that's not old school,it's like midschool.
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Truck mounting
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On 8/7/2000
Chris Chaput
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Although I was talking about a simple drop through setup, the "feel" is like the board is "hanging from" rather tha "perched on top of" the trucks. On the other hand, there is an unusual setup that works with really wide trucks and super tall wheels. Mount the trucks on TOP of the board with the pivots facing each other (inward) as opposed to facing away. This is generally only used in a mountain board setup but feels pretty cool with the deck and trucks literally "hanging" from the axles. The CG is as low as can be with large wheels. One other setup worthy of mention. Some Randal trucks whose kingpings are set at a 45 degree angle can be mounted on a block with the baseplates being vertical and will turn the same as if they were flat. Lastly, riser pads aren't risers on the drop through setup, they serve to lower the board instead.
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Through mounting
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On 8/6/2000 Herbn
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I don't think Chris was talking about mounting the trucks upside down(hanging from the pivot) but just through the board like Hughr show on his web page.
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Prepare to die
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On 8/5/2000
John Gilmour
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If we told you we would have to kill you. It depends upon the course. Board choice varies. If it is a straight course you would probably choose differently than for a winding course. Stuff changes all the time. I use an unusual looking carbon fiber Turner that would never pass equipment inspection because it would be weapon if it became a runaway board. I like Tracker Trucks, but I never tried the Randall II trucks. I would never run Indy's. But some people like Guy Grundy used to use a tiny 2.25 inch wide truck. Deck through mounting that Chris Chaput is talking about seems to be the right thing. That way your center of mass is lower and "hangs" from the pivot which is inherrently more stable than being on top of the pivot point. Think of it this way if you drag a shopping cart with one hand it won't wobble much. If you try and push it with one hand it will wobble a lot more. As for wheels I think there are a lot of good choices out there. I like the 70mm Red Kryptos for shorter lower speed runs. A more solid wheel runs better at higher speeds. A lot of people like the Cherry Bombs. I think it is better to learn to shoot hills with a smaller diameter wider wheel with a well constructed core first and then start moving to bigger sizes with less traction.
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set up
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On 8/5/2000
bernie
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what is the ultimate speedboarding setup?
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Barrett Junction SD.CA. Barrett Smith school Rd.
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On 8/3/2000
Homemade PRO SLR/SB
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If you whant to ride a fun tecnical course let me know. I,ll be on the hill Sat. and Sun. early cause of the heat.It' been over 100 lately by noon. So early rides are must. I'm out east 94hwy in So.Ca. Same course as seen on Planet -X TV ch4.Well , off to the hill Homemade SLR/SB So.Ca Barrette Junction .PS. Camping with a pool near by to keep cool. Also food and drinks. I recomend Barrette Cafe thay serve blind pigs good and cold 3/4 of a mile from Course. Tecate Mexico is 6 Miles a way.
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through the deck
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On 8/1/2000
hugh r
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David,
The way that the trucks attach with this type of set-up will be determined by the type of trucks that you use. If you using indy's, then you don't have to remove a whole lot of material to get the trucks to fit. In this case, nuts bolts and oversized washers should do the job.
If your mounting randal's then a whole lot of deck must be removed for them to fit. You will need to use a mounting plate on the underside of the deck. At that point the deck is actually wedged between the base plate of the trucks on the top and the mounting plate on the bottom.
I have some pix on my site... the URL is off of the NCDSA links page...
I am hoping that one (or some) of the mfg's will start to offer this as an option on their decks... HR
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$20 bearing
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On 8/1/2000
david
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what was the brand of bearing that were so good and cheap?
ps. when mounting trucks though the board, how do the trucks attach to the deck?
skate fast
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Race in Barrett
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On 7/31/2000
Danny Connor
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Did I hear RACE? I want to partake! Give me some info please. Like how to enter, and stuff like that. Thanks.
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BEARINGS
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On 7/31/2000
KLUDY
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I have been downhill at top speeds with many bearings . Raced the top guys in the sport. Trained by the best , the bearings are not what makes a rider fast it is the rider that makes the race. The best run that I have had was with $ 20.00 bearings . The more I ride the better I become the better I become the less bearings are a big deal. Just a thought. KLUDY P.S. I LIKE THIS SITE
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PICS OF MAMMOTH OF BY CLIFF COLEMAN
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On 7/31/2000
Homemade PRO SLR/SB
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Hi Cliff, did you say that you took pics of turn two at Mammoth? I was raceing Biker, Eric Lee,Sean Mallard,in that heat.I'm all in black with the red and gold helmet.I'm mostly interested in the sequence shots of the all most
crash that I had to pull out of whene Eric bumped my sholder while drag raceing Biker and the duck taged the tale of my deck still takeing 2nd. I realy would like to see the pics of that that wild ride.It also looks like a race in Oct. Here at Barrette Junction.I hope to hear from you soon. Take care,Ride on Homemade Pro SLR/SB
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Low CG
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On 7/31/2000
Chris Chaput
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Although I'm tempted to say "if it works don't fix it", I think your idea of setting up two boards is best. There is nothing like a side by side comparison to give you an understanding of how differently things work. I like the feel of having the deck low. It feels "cradled" between the trucks as opposed to perched on top of them. The push is enhanced by not having to bend your knee as far to reach the ground, and the board feels more stable. Do you want to take a turn in Jeep or a Porsche? Some believe that your CG should remain even with or above the axles. Luges and speedboards may be dropped this low, but with a limited wheel diameter your rails (or heels or toes) could scrape in a turn. You also need a pretty dramatic cutout near your trucks so THEY don't hit your board when turning. You also have to get used to the idea of possibly stepping on baseplate of your truck (and bolt heads) when riding. You don't normally put your feet there but if you had just one board, you'd have to live with it. Generally speaking, you'd be better served with two boards, one built for top speed in a tuck on the straights, and one used with slide gloves for speed in tight turns and fast carves.
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