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On 6/15/2007 Bola
wrote in from
United States
(206.53.nnn.nnn)
Michael;
Are you still practising?
Watch the pole so it does not smack the back of your head as you skate out of the chambers and don't forget it is fibreglass and has excellend rebound formula:-)
Bola
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Vendors Corner
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On 6/15/2007
RobertJamesMcKendryIII
wrote in from
United States
(71.216.nnn.nnn)
I'm racing the 4 IGSA World Cup events in Europe. I leave in 2 weeks THANX to Street Swell and Never Summer. I'm still struggling to make this happen and will whore myself out for a clean t shirt, Euro Rail Pass, sleeping bag, wheels (I only need 4), kingpins (I only need 2, food, left shoes, anything. Please contact me if you can help. Thanx Radikal
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SixSixSix Wheelers
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On 6/15/2007 Fatboy
wrote in from
United States
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Because I was truthful with my thoughts on Silverfish, some of my posts have been removed! But seriously, there's blood in my urine and I believe it is because of my six wheeler.
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Ummm
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On 6/15/2007 Rick from OZ
wrote in from
Australia
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So I suppose 7 wheels would be out of the question...
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Because
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On 6/15/2007 Scott Tansley
wrote in from
Australia
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Because the Venetians are blind..
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Quickie for JAck
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On 6/15/2007 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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...and why are only Poles able to vault?
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And counting
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On 6/15/2007 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Jack..nice story (as usual).
How MANY poles do they use at a time? Or will someone turn up one day with a ladder?!!!!
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Six Wheelers and the Fiberglass Vaulting Pole
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On 6/14/2007
Jack Smith
wrote in from
United States
(66.215.nnn.nnn)
I am amused by this on-going debate. You would think by the passion being expressed on this subject that we were racing for hundreds of thousands of dollars, when really all it comes down to the fact that we're really racing for bragging rights. Not to mention the fun we all have at the races, and last but not least, being able to hold own to a most wonderful part of our youth.
Yes, I have ridden a six-wheeler in a couple of races and I enjoy the ride. Last year when I showed up at the Dixie Cup I was informed that sixers were not allowed, I grumbled for awhile, then pulled off one set of trucks and still did ok. Though I must admit I competed on the "bunny hill". I'm not quite as brave as once was.
I would like to suggest that a conference call involving the principals in this discussion be arranged within the next couple of weeks to see if a compromise can be reached. I think a lot more progress could be made by phone than on message boards,where so many times comments can be and are misinterpreted.
Ok, now to the fiberglass pole vaulting pole. I am currently doing the design and production for a book titled "An Illustrated History of the Pole Vault", it was written by my friend and mentor, Jan Johnson, the bronze medalist at the 1972 Olympics in Munich. I have just started working on the chapter which covers the invention of the fiberglass vaulting pole, many of the vaulters at the time felt it was a gimmick. Some even went so far as to say "that isn't pole vaulting"...sound familiar?
That's it for me...oh wait, there is one more thing, I am stoked to let everyone know I will be riding "stock" Loaded decks on the circuit this year.
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what's the issue?
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On 6/14/2007 tim kienitz
wrote in from
United States
(63.110.nnn.nnn)
Geezer,
Your solution would work but why does there need to be a solution where in all the races in the past (Worlds, Pumpstation, etc.) there was and is no problem?
I don't think the issue is if the 6 is or isn't superior. The issue is by keeping the old rule that allows freedom of choice (6 or 4 or Radikals or Trackers), racing as it has been in the past will continue to be fair for everyone now and in the future. If racer A rides a 4 wheeled skateboard and beats racer B on a 6 wheeled skateboard, then racer B has the freedom to choose to ride a 4 wheeler ... or 6 wheeler if he/she wants.
I am looking forward to the Hotrod Bennets and Seismics you are making for me and the freedom to ride or not ride them against superior Radikals:)
Oh! I thought this was the Slalom Forum. Ha! Ha! Sorry Dave.
OK I'll go skate. But wait! I have to be at work (not necessarily working) :(
Tim
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My vote dont count...
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On 6/14/2007 Chad
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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As they used to say in Northern Ireland...Vote Early...Vote Often!
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I Did The Math
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On 6/14/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(72.134.nnn.nnn)
Current Poll Results
SF: 87.1% "Run what you brung" to 12.9% ban equipment (108 to 16)
SS: 75% Allow 6 in a GS to 25% to ban them (27 to 9)
It's about choice. Are you starting to get the point?
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The joy of six
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On 6/14/2007 Norman D Landing
wrote in from
United States
(67.159.nnn.nnn)
If you think the wheels are exposed to half the force, then surely they DONT GIVE MORE GRIP!!!!
Do the Math.
And is NOT about banning innovation. Its about the number of wheels. Its not about trucks/cost/principles or whatever. A skateboard has four wheels. Enough already!
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Costs and Performance
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On 6/14/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(72.134.nnn.nnn)
Everyone that I know who has put together a 6 wheeler (including myself) has done so from parts that he had laying around his shop/garage/quiver/collection/whatever. Yes, I had Radikal trucks laying around my shop. Other people have three Radikals on three different boards, or two boards with Radikals all around and I don't complain. Same think with GOGs, PVDs, Split-Fires, Indy or Tracker offsets, Gullwings, etc. The issue of cost is moot, because there isn't a spending limit on ANY equipment, or on how many boards someone can bring to a race and ride on. If you want to ban expensive equipment such as Pocket Pistols, Pavels, Roes, PVDs, Radikals, GOGs, or Speed Vents, or cap how much money people can spend on equipment, tell the ISSA and see what they say.
What people just loooove to overlook is the the fact that whenever you have a doubletruck setup, the wheels last TWICE as long. They are only exposed to half of the force. And if you really think that cost is an issue, here's what I'll do. If anyone brings a 6 wheeler to a race and runs it using my wheels, I'll give him two wheels for free. That's how unimportant the money is to me.
As for my own own performance on 6 wheelers, I do the same as on 4 wheelers. Since I started riding skateboards with six wheels, only 4 out of the 15 slalom races have been on six wheels. In 11 out of the 15 races I used four wheels. My average six wheel finish is 2.25 and my average four wheel finish is 2.1 or 2.45, depending on whether or not you count the one run that I got while eating a hamburger in San Pedro before the rain came (my worse result - sixth place).
1st - Pump Station GS (4 Wheels)
1st - Pump Station GS (6 Wheels)
6th - San Pedro 77 HS (4 Wheels)
6th - Pump Station GS (6 Wheels)
1st - Pump Station GS (6 Wheels)
4th - San Pedro 100 TS (4 Wheels)
4th - Pump Station TS (4 Wheels)
1st - San Pedro HS (4 Wheels)
1st - Texas GS (6 wheels)
2nd - Texas HS (4 wheels)
2nd - Texas HS (4 wheels)
2nd - Hood River GS (4 wheels)
1st - Maryhill GS (4 wheels)
2nd - Ohio HS (4 wheels)
2nd - Irvine GS (4 Wheels)
If you have anything that actually resembles PROOF of a performance advantage, we'd love to hear about it. We're looking for an offer of proof. You know - evidence. "Because I said so" isn't going to cut it.
If using 6 wheels is innovative, then I supposed we should all thank Tim Oates (in slalom), and all of the Downhillers and Streetlugers that have been doing it for years. You can't ban innovation. You can only ban equipment. And if you ban something as cheap and easy as a 6 wheeler, you're only hurting the common man and making it harder for him to compete.
And no, no separate classes. All skateboards should compete in one class. The only interest in a different class was from the guys who want to race "vintage" equipment.
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The Assault on Reason
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On 6/14/2007 Bola
wrote in from
United States
(206.53.nnn.nnn)
As many of you know, this is a borrowed sub-title.
It is extremely relevant to all the non-issues, fear mongering, cronyism, blind faith, name calling, etc. that is extensive in the present day American life as shaped by our current administration. Sadly, it is taking place here on the issue of banning equipment. Chaput is now the issue; Chaput is now ripping people off; etc. Unfortunately, Chaput is not the only wheel manufacturer; you just have to wonder if logic is actually being taught in schools anymore or because of the state of our public atmosphere, we now just follow emotions and not reason. If one were to follow this logic, truck manufacturers, bushing manufacturers, bearing manufacturers will also rip significant benefit. So, why single out Chaput while all the others that stand to benefit keep quiet and continue to do so. The use of parallels, comparisons and logic is clearly misunderstood.
I can only say that Bara's sacarstic self-discrimination comment is clearly a very low point in reason. This is similar to the ultra right wing arguement justifying discrimination based on sexual orientation. Self-discrimination indeed.
Ramon, your open mindedness deserve recognition. ZAK, you need not give up, giving up is what the so called CORE organizers want. Our history has shown that we need to continue to hammer away until we have the choice to ride whatever we want per our tradition and precedent. Chris keep up the pressure and many other skaters that are for the freedom to ride what you bring to a race.
Peace!
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The Correct Forum?
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On 6/14/2007 Bola
wrote in from
United States
(206.53.nnn.nnn)
Dave:
I had suggested that the topic of Banning Slalom Equipment be moved to the slalom forum a few days back. Of course a few very smart guys responded that this is the right forum for this debate/discussion.
Let's talk about getting some of the cool flakies in the shop. I also like to know if the 8.25 are ready.
Cheers
Bola
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Khiro Bob & Mrs. Khiro Bob
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On 6/14/2007
cat
wrote in from
United States
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DavO---- I second that post!
I had the pleasure of meeting Bob & LuAnn at the Pump Station a couple months ago.
They are a couple of great people & definitely have a big heart when it comes to giving out schwag!
Thank you Bob & LuAnn!
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Sucking all the fun out
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On 6/14/2007
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(38.105.nnn.nnn)
I weigh in on issues like this less and less frequently. Mainly it's just really tedious. I offer a simple interim solution that would integrate 4 and 6 wheel riders in a given event while requiring minimal effort.
When signing up at the race venue, you'd declare a rider and board status, ie. "amateur/6".
There would be an additional set of results to extrapolate from the timer result, but the actual brackets would take the same amount of time to run. Less actually, if Chris' assertion re. 6 wheeler superiority is correct.
Also, re. classes. I've raced lots of other stuff; cars, motorcycles, bicycles, RC cars, boats, and in every case, excepting an autocross series I do thats scored on an improvement index multiplied by the mean time for the day, there a multiple classes to group similar performance vehicles. If 6 wheels affords a dominant advantage over 4, then it should be in it's own category. Toward that end, a cutaway-camber deck with Indy 101s and Stingers is in a lower performance bracket than a pavel with a GOGs and Big Zigs...
Where to draw a line, or not.
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Answers
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On 6/14/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(72.134.nnn.nnn)
"There are several people on here who have had enough of your non stop ramblings. Most of us have a good idea where you should put your poll."
There are a lot of anonymous people here rambling on about how others shouldn't ramble on. Hypocrisy at its finest. Today's poll results: SF is 87% Run what ya brung and 13% to ban. SS is 72% to allow 6 in a GS and 28% not to. I'm sorry that you now want to discount the poll because you don't like the results. I'll find a tissue for you.
"Leave it alone already, your fighting a losing battle. If 6 wheelers AREN'T an advantage then how innovative are they? If they ARE an advantage then how can it be fair to race one against a 4 wheeler? You cannot answer these two questions without stepping on your own toes."
A skateboard is not required to be innovative to be run at a race. It only has to be allowed. As was the case for every skateboard at a World Championshop thus far, including the 6 wheelers. EVERY skateboard has disadvantages and advantages to them, and it's up to the wisdom of the racer to choose which ones suit the course and his riding style best. And as long as EVERY racer is free choose for himself whatever advantage/disadvantage he wants, it's as fair as fair can be. Banning equipment however, is unfair. I won't be the judge of which skateboards are deemed "innovative" and which are not. I don't reagrd this as a beauty or a popularity contest. I see it for what it is. It's a race, and it's competitive, even if some choose not to be. It's not to be judged, which is one of the beauties of slalom racing, as is the freedom of choice.
"Please move along from this topic before I start a poll on silverfish asking who thinks your a total kook. I'm not sure your ego could handle the results."
No thank you. I'll discuss this topic for as long as I see fit. You are free to start whatever type of poll on Silverfish that you want, and my ego will be intact.
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4 th Annual Dovercourt Open
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On 6/14/2007
Claude & Mar-Beth
wrote in from
Canada
(74.101.nnn.nnn)
Last call for sponsors for this years race. T-shirts are going to print and the last round of posters as well.
Contact us by e-mail by tomorow mid day at the latest to get on board.
Thanks to all the sponsors for your support again, EH!
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VENDORS FORUM
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On 6/14/2007
Dave - Skaterbuilt
wrote in from
United States
(72.130.nnn.nnn)
E-N-O-U-G-H...go to your own forum with this mess...Hey Adam, put all this junk in the "Chaput on Speed" forum please...
...to keep this vendor related:
I would like to give serious props to The BIG Man...Bob Hinrichs and his wife LuAnn from Khiro Skate Products...Khiro probably does more for skateboarding than all of us vendors here put together. I commend Bob and LuAnn for their efforts...and their support of grassroots skateboarding of all kinds...be it freestyle, streetstyle, slalom, downhill, vert, or wuteva...Khiro Skate Products always shows their support.
Thank you for the schwag box that you sent me for the BroJam event Bob-you're the best-and your reputation preceeds you.
davO
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2007 IGSA WORLD CUP LUGE AT MARYHILL LOOPS
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On 6/13/2007
Lorraine Reynolds - Golden Event Planning
wrote in from
United States
(69.19.nnn.nnn)
My name is Lorraine Reynolds and I am the Event Director for the City of Goldendale. We are hosting the Festival of Wheels which includes the 2007 IGSA World Cup Luge at Maryhill Loops in September.
Lorraine Reynolds
Golden Event Planning, LLC
Event Director ~ City of Goldendale
H/O/F: 509.773.0567
Cell: 509.250.1500
www.cityofgoldendale.com
FESTIVAL OF SPEED
2007 IGSA WORLD CUP LUGE
MARYHILL LOOPS
September 11th - September 16th
"FESTIVAL OF WHEELS ~ 6 DAYS OF FUN AND EXCITEMENT"
September 11th through September 15th
Maryhill "Festival of Speed" Downhill Skateboarding and Street Luge
Gravity is just like every other law...made to be broken!
2007 IGSA WORLD CUP AT MARYHILL LOOPS
John Ozman, 253.853.7347 info@maryhillfestivalofspeed.com
Website: www.maryhillfestivalofspeed.com
Or visit IGSA www.gravity-sports.com
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16 Wheeler!
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On 6/13/2007 Richy C.
wrote in from
United States
(68.165.nnn.nnn)
Claude seen here training for the Worlds on his 16-wheeler!
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Skateboardings Crown Jewel
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On 6/13/2007
Eddy Texas Outlaws
wrote in from
United States
(70.115.nnn.nnn)
This DVD is a must have. Awesome footage bros from 1979. Jay Smith, Duane Peters, Micke Alba, Salba, Bulky, a must see. Watch with your friends and enjoy the ride. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws/Pavel Flo
available a www.socalskatehop.com
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A- left, W- forward, S- back, D- right, Space- jump, 9-initiate parachute...
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On 6/13/2007 double take at the mirror... nope... it's still the same guy.
wrote in from
United States
(68.193.nnn.nnn)
just wait till someone shows up with a 5-wheeler... yeah... just imagine what the reaction on that would be. could dirt-surfer get it's own branch of slalom or would that just be dumb? but hey anything goes these days.
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Early Poll Results
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On 6/13/2007
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(72.134.nnn.nnn)
The Silverfish poll is currently at:
86% "Run what you brung" to 14% opposed (100 votes for and 16 against)
The ISSA poll is currently at:
70% "Allow 6 in a GS" to 29% opposed (19 votes for and 8 against)
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