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Summit Slicks
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On 12/31/2000
Lonecore
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maybe they won't sell the wheels to the US because of pricing reasons. Wheels cost about 3 times more in Switzerland, and the Summits are even more expensive. They wouldn't be able to sell them to a price near that in US.
I hope they'll reply the post in their guestbook, maybe I'll be able to order the slicks cheap from america to Switzerland in future :-)
Lonecore
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chris, chris, chris
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On 12/30/2000
hugh r
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your mistaken on this one bud... my bro was just down there and picked up a set of each for me (except the bum kept the translucent/red m-80's... he was also given their spacers... big ones for the turbos and little ones for the bigger wheels.
I measured things in my garage tonight... turbos have 1mm more distance between the bearings... not one just one... but on all 4 of them.
You may want to recheck your source... your mistaken... HR
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M-80,CherryBomb,Turbo
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On 12/30/2000
Chris Chaput
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You guys, seriously, please, stop embarrassing yourselves. Call eXkate yourselves since no one cares to believe me. They all share the same hub. Exkate outsources them from a plastics manufacturer. The smaller wheels and the Powerboard wheels have different hubs, but the three in question use the same hub. At the inside edge of the wheel, the hub is cut (along with excess urethane) and that is the only possible variance in the hub size from wheel to wheel. Call eXkate (562) 634-8492 and ask to talk to Larry Duff (he's pouring them now) or Charles Walters or Jason or the owner Louie Finkle or ask Bob Pereyra (who doesn't work there any more). If you think these guys are lying about their own product then I can tell you who really shot Kennedy.
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Hugh
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On 12/30/2000 DT
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Hey Hugh, your quite clever.
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where have all
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On 12/30/2000
hugh r
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Oh you guys! The turbo is the odd man out! Over all dimensions are the same... however, the distance between the bearings different. The turbos are 11mm while the other two are 10mm...
If you don't beleive me... get the new bearing spacers from exkate... or pull out your tiny measuring tools.
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Big brain
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On 12/30/2000 Herbn
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Well i'm pretty sure that cherrys and turbos share hubs,i have both. So by default M80 cores are somehow different,i havn't gotten mine yet, was is taking so long!Call that A brain teaser?,what are the most distinctive features of the early toft 8 wheelers?hehe:)I'll at long last have a camera,and my brother has a scanner,so i may yet get those interveiw(s!)out to you,i have the early Toft "who's hot" also.
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exkate
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On 12/30/2000 DT
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the turbo and the cherry bomb share the same hub, the m80 has the same size as far as height, but its wider. (in the past i said the m80 is bigger, but i was wrong, its easy to believe it even when you have the two wheels next to each other, the amount of urethane and the radius decieve your eyes)
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exkate
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On 12/29/2000 mikez
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the cherry bomb hubs and the turbos hubs are the same. the only differense is the amount of urethane on the hub(and 25$) The M80 has a a bigger hub than the cherry bomb but it is wider than the cherrybomb
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turbos/bombs/80's
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On 12/29/2000
hugh r
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Contrary to popular belief and modern folklore these three exkate hubs are not the same. Two of them are, but there is an odd man out...
So the question I pose to all the big brains out there is which one is different and what is that difference?
This is not a trick question...
HR
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Summits
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On 12/29/2000
Scabs
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Good Luck getting them Duane.
I emailed about a month ago asking how I can get a set. I got the response..."not available to U.S." What is that? I mean, I wasn`t even given the option to pay high shipping costs, send payment in cash wrapped in aluminum foil (a duetsh custom),or any option.
Notta, zip, ain`t gonna happen, is what they told me.
Well I just went to their website and posted a message in their guestbook. Maybe..???
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Summit vs. Krypto
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On 12/29/2000 Duane
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I am trying to get my hands on a set of Summit 85A to test directly against new 76mm Kryptos, which I already have. I'll test the Summits stock, and then prepped several ways. I assume the 85A Summits are the fastest of the three choices for reasonably smooth roads? Comments and suggestions on where to actually get the summits would be appreciated.
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summit
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On 12/29/2000
leo
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how mush does this summit cost and where i can find them online?
leo
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Summits
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On 12/29/2000 nugwop
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Hey Duane, i wouldn't say no to more grip then my Summit's give, i wish the had a biger diameter to roll over cracks and dirt easyer
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Summit Wheels
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On 12/29/2000 Herbn
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interesting about the race win, was it raining or wet on the course that day? bringing rubber wheels to a rain or shine race would be smart.I don't doubt that there might be some effort to make rubber work for skateboard wheels,i just think it would have been done already,i saw "emotion wheels" and "Quix" and a few others,it's not an exciting new advancement to me, so i'm just not that optimistic about it,like someone might be if they just thought of the idea. I'll just wait and see,i'm not against the idea.
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Summit wheels
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On 12/29/2000
Duane
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I just looked at the Summit wheels on the web. If these are rubber, they could be made much faster than stock with modifications. The profile stinks, it should be seriously rounded on the outside; rubber has enough grip that you don't need much contact patch. They are 50% too wide (same reason). The rubber must be glued to the rims (are the rims aluminum?) to avoid squirm which slows you down alot. Cyanoacrylate works well (Devcon). The best way to profile the rubber is to put it on a lathe and sand it while cooling it with ice. And last, a race prep would include heating or exposing to xylene vapors to swell the rubber network (not both!). This will seriously improve the speed of these wheels. Don't believe me? Then don't try it.
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krypto classics 70mm
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On 12/29/2000
Leo
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I read somewhere about this wheels that they tend to lose grip with time and usage, i got to tell you, is TRUE!!!(read crashing forum)when i first used them i can make real fast carves but now i started to hear the hissing of the wheels at the end of each carve, is there any way that this can be avoided, maybe a treatment or something like that(hey Guru, i know that the kryptos are made 15 min from your house, any recomendation?)......
Leo
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Rubber Wheels
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On 12/29/2000
Mike
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Sure there is no very fast rubber Wheel on the market, but i tell you this is just a matter of time. Today there is more and more Tirecompanys looking for alternatives to use there technologies in other Wheels then the ones on cars. They have so mutch konw how you would not belive.
Fore example a Team at the Le Mans Race in France, sponsored by MICHELIN, on of the biggest Tire manufacurer in Europa, comes with aboud 4500 Tires to the Race. Every Tireset has a special ChemistryMix for temperatur,wet or dry etc conditions.
What i try to say is once all that knowlege is transfered onto a Sk8 wheel i bet you there will be People how win Race with Rubber.
P.S. by the way on june 26. this Year Rolli Hafner from Switzerland won the First Race on a Summit !
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blk kryptos
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On 12/28/2000
hugh r
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urethane...
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KRYPTOS
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On 12/28/2000
Scabs
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Unless they`re riding a set of vintage KRYPTOS in black. I have them on my old Fibreflex 30" cambered slalom board.
OH, and yeah, they smoke too...
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Rubber wheels
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On 12/28/2000 Duane
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It is much harder to make decent rubber wheels. Guess the ones out there just suck. Rubber only comes in black, so when someone smokes you on black wheels in the future, you'll have to wonder if its rubber doing the smokin' :(
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rainy days
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On 12/28/2000 DT
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The best part about rainy days is that your wheels do slide! I always run my old clear mundos and just do super long slides that hardly even wear the wheel.
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Pudding
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On 12/28/2000 Herbn
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As in, "the proof is in the". So where are the "really fast" rubber skate board wheels? i know there are some rubber wheels out there(Summit) ,are they winning races? wouldn't they be doing that if they were that good? Could it be a conspiracy:)Most of the posts you see by people who have rubber wheels say they're good for steep,hard to carve hills,which makes for some between the lines reading,most of which is "slow" or "inexperienced rider". I think the porousity of rubber,perhaps only on a nearly molecular level in hard compounds makes it the way to go for wet conditions,urithane just seems to have an extreme tendancy to hydroplane,tread patterns could help this but soften and slow the wheel.Oh well, whats the big concern about wet riding anyway? my bike grips good in the wet(on it's rubber tyres) and i make very few rain rides, who cares about skating in the rain.
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Rubber vs. urethane
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On 12/28/2000
Duane
wrote in from
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Urethane just doesn't exist with the rebound of a high quality natural cross-linked rubber. For this comparison, the wheels were always similar, with cast-on rubber onto an aluminum hub. The rubber was solid just like urethane, the pnuematics (air-containing) were a separate deal altogether. Rebound would be almost 80% on a material like this, and treating or heating could bring it up to 85% or so. The best I ever saw for urethane was about 75%, this a special compound from Kryptonics made for this purpose and designed for speed. Most skate wheels are far short of this number. For durometer, the range for speed was 78-84 Shore A, consistent with today's fastest downhill wheels. This is really dictated by the surface; if the road was glass smooth we'd all ride on rocks. For average asphalt, 78-84 pretty much covers it. As for a urethane rain tire, someone like Kryptonics would have done it a long time ago if it were easy. The oil is the killer; the urethane is chemically destroyed eventually by oil contamination.
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urethane vs. rubber
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On 12/28/2000
Scabs
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Duane,
I don`t want to discount your proven results. My only arguement was that just comparisons between rubber and urethane are imcomplete to say one compound is better over another. In your own statements, you compared a rubber TIRE over a urethane WHEEL. Does not the inflated air in the tire effect the the rubber tire? Are the rubber tires and urethane wheels of the same durometer? Could a urethane Tire be made that allows air to be injected? Also,Is it conceivable to make a urethane WHEEL or TIRE that may have have more desireable effects on wetted surfaces?
I believe you that using what technologies you have at hand that rubber wheels have proven better grip in wet applications. They may have also proven to be faster in some applications as well. I just think that we should not be technologically limited by what is PROVEN.
And in closing, anybody remember the original coke bottle green Kryptonics? They where impossible to break loose from asphalt. They were discontinued however because they wore out rather quickly, like in a day or two.
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