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the pump day!
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On 5/30/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Was it amazing? Was it more than one could even wish for? Was it a pump skater's dream come true?
Yes, it was all this and more.
Skating with the two skatekings, James and Derek, was inspiring, euphoric and a hill of fun!
Vids to follow.
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3 pumpers meet
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On 5/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
One from the north, two from the south...meeting somewhere in between to share pump stoke!
When?
TODAY!!!
Check back here later for a full event report.
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truck parts
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On 5/27/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James thanks for your opinions on the off round CX hanger hole. I have set the truck up with harder duro bushings and will mount it again soon to see how it skates. I really don't want to have to pitch trucks after only a few hundred kilometres of pumping. Its too bad we can't just get truck parts when we need replacements instead of having to buy an entire set of trucks. Just the hanger or at least just the front CX would be nice to be able to purchase when needed.
In the meantime I will be squeezing as much life out of the truck and bushings as possible.
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tracker Munnch
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On 5/27/2006
erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Looking really good there Munnch! I too am curious about how the Trackers will pump over the longer distances. I am thinking of putting a set up one my Sandpipers so will be keen to hear how they go.
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tracker munchh board
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On 5/27/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Thats a tasty setup Munchh! Glad to see you set up with trackers, and like to hear your impressions. Have been wanting to test an uber-wedged tracker on front and just haven't had the spare moment to put it together. I used to have a lot of the washer biting into the hangar, but with barrel Khiros top and bottom and a flat washer I don't run into that anymore.
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hangar hole & rear bushing
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On 5/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey erin, i'm finally able to catch up to you with my opin on this, before i bust out for the mem day weekend... i'm not exactly sure its a bad thing to have that hole worn a bit. i actually like the feel until that thing is really torn open. note that derek and i might differ a little in our opinions on this one. but on my tracker midtracks for example, brad jackman got me taking a round file to bore that hole open more, right away, to make the truck "twitchier"... so following that logic, the natural wear on the CX for me anyway, is something I like. I have benefitted from using a slightly harder durometer bushing, the more that hole opens up. so far I've never busted a front kingpin on my CX, and I think its partly because the hangar takes more punishment. "somethings gotta give" and I'd rather see a hangar wear down slowly and bushings get eaten up, over a kingpin fail in a split second. (ow!!) hope that helps-- i think those still got a lotta miles in 'em. derek feels that they work at their 'optimal' point when the hole is smallest, and there may be something to that but I think a lot of this starts boiling down to preference. i'll take a few shots later of what my splitfire holes look like now too... they're also "broken in"!
as for the rear bushing i'm with derek on that one. i have a tracker stim on bottom and khiro cone on top and I hardly even have to look at it!
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New setups
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On 5/27/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
What with the slalom setup giving me so much pleasure and seeing the master using those little splitfires, i thought i'd give this a go. Because of the great English summer time, its been wet for ages, with brief glimpses of dry tarmac. It pumps very similar to the slalom deck, but with a longer motion, but the power off the back is real nice. The front is wedged 12 degrees and the back de-wedged 5, i was able to pump it round the carpark for a good 10mins without a problem, so i think the mile will be great on this, but its the 1st time i've got off and not had the cramped foot, so could be good for alot further.
Erin, that pinky-pipper is looking sweet, the holeys do it credit, hope its being a good girl?
So what with you all getting your hands on the ROE LDP, is it proving to be the ultimate, JP makes it look unstoppable in that vid?
Does anyone else use the Kiro cone inserts, the stop that bushing washer on top grinding into the hanger around the kingpin hole??
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CX hanger hole
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On 5/26/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James is this what you mean by the front Carver CX hanger hole being bored out?
Doesn't look too good for about 200 km of pumping, eh? I wonder if I should be stock piling an inventory of Carver trucks as well as the bushings?!
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bushings
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On 5/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i'm not changing out my rear carver bushings much at all- probably one rear bushing for every 5-7 front ones? Lately my front ones are tearing/cracking from top to bottom on just about every ride, and i'm not quite sure why that's happening. i want those mushed up ones like you guys are getting!
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another bushing query
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On 5/26/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys, how fast do the rear bushings on Carver CX's wear as compared to the front?
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bushing meltdown
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On 5/26/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Cool, I'm in for the bushing fondu party as well!
James, do you have the same problem of bushing demolition regardless of the trucks used for pumping or are some worse than others? For example, how are you finding the Splitfires when it comes to bushing consumption?
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cheaper than lift tickets, i suppose ;-)
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On 5/26/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
yeah i could build a Devils Tower with all the bushing casualties, that was just a handful in the tool box. maybe we could create a new magic formula by melting these down together in a pot on the kitchen stove? (or a house call from the fire dept.) Ah...but with all that goo then we'd need a mold, a lathe, a bunch of other tools and expertise, or something. The melting part sounds like fun.
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bushings
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On 5/25/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wow, that's am impressive set of chewed bushings there James. Yeah and they do look familiar. It seems my collection of mutilated cushions is well on its way!
Derek, wow, 50 bushings. But I can see why you would decide to get some many. I will get in touch with Daddies and see if I can get a stash of my own. Small price to pay for the fun of pumping though. It is so addictive. I was out once this morning for a big ol' sesh and then my skate pal joined me this afternoon for another pump extravaganza. Too fun!
Bushing stockpiling here I come!
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carver bushings
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On 5/25/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
great news erin!
daddy's board shop just got a massive shipment of carver bushings. i ordered 50 sets, and they just arrived today in this big old happy bag. it's nice to not have to worry about finding those things for a while :)
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carver food
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On 5/25/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
 erin, I know derek's talked with daddies about a big order of CX stocks, but not sure if its a done deal already. is the hangar hole on your CX bored out? i wonder once it starts opening up if that affects the life of the bushings because the hangar can slide from side to side more... i've tried a lot of 'thane, best so far is the stock Carvers, then 2nd is shaved radikal red on bottom clear on top (flat washer on top) and 3rd choice is Khiro barrel-cone, or barrel-barrel. i'd have to say I do eat bushings almost 2x as fast on these.
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ldp bushing woes
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On 5/25/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Went out for a pump on the Carvers today only to find that the top new white Khiro wws spit out, all chewed up, in less than 6 km. I threw in a bones yellow spare that I had in my camelback. Another 3 km or so later the bottom white also ate it. In went a top Holey bushing. Now a top bushing in the bottom of a Carver is not really that comfortable a set up.
So I am wondering what I am going to try next? There has got to be a nice turny bushing that lasts for a few skates..... Or perhaps I should just go on the search for a caseload of stock Carvers. The CX bushings did actually last for about 150 km of skating.
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new distances
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On 5/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Derek and Erin thanks! That ride opened new thinking not only for me but for some packs of bikers I had the pleasure to pass from time to time! Granted, a lot of them were not hauling butt (as one with a 21-speed most definately could) but to keep or exceed their pace and hear their encouragement all the way, was just a blast. Cool crowd. The brewery stop at the half-way point of this event indicates its not all hardcore and serious, but I was definately pushing for a good overall time. The Roe's width gave my feet so many options, switching stance around seriously helped, after the 30-mile mark.
Will be interested in your Holey impression Erin, I held off on my Holey and SpeedVents orders, I'm staying dialed into current gear for another few months, narrow hangars, severely wedged trucks and split or offset axles. I would REALLY like to hold a Holey next to a Gullwing Cruiser60, and understand the exact differences (besides the Cruiser being narrower) especially what u mention about the kingpin. First thing I've always done was chuck the stock pins and put in Grade8's, flipped. Btw that pink LBL looks purrrrrty!
Tarin cool to see you here! Very curious what part of the C7 you break? I've had the main, fat spring inside the baseplate snap off a coil or two, then its in there floppy and jingling around, until replaced. Same with RTR. At least when they snap, the trucks keep their form and you don't normally get pitched. Both C7s and RTRs are superb for surfing and slashing around parking lots, quick jaunts down a boardwalk, but I'm definately biased now toward CXs or more traditional, narrow-ish slalom trucks with high rebound bushings, for cranking fast responsive pumps.
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Holeys
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On 5/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Yup, Holeys are a UK native.
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U.B's
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On 5/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.142.nnn.nnn)
Actually i've just noticed they are a little more expencive, but if you use just one on the front, theres not alot in it.
Those holeys are made in the U.K., is that right?
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More skumping in the U.K.
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On 5/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.142.nnn.nnn)
Hey Tarin,
would be interested where you have been getting them in the U.K. I had loads of trouble finding them over here and ended up getting a nice man i know to send one from the states!! (the cx that is) Click here for link check out my Skumping page, it needs updating as i've tried alot of setups now, but it has all about Randels on there.
I go along with Derik, the 180's are ok, but once i changed to the 160mm downhills, it was alot easier to pump and keep it up, the 150's i'm asuming would be better still, i've just started using Tracker RTS/RTX 106mm, so its all down to prefrence (pics of that setup soon boys and girls), but how about these 'UB' trucks, Octane sports are doing them, they are virtually the same as Randal's, but the finish to them is far better and they come in 150/180 and they are cheaper and you wont have to re drill the bolt holes.........gotto catch my breath
Click here for link this is them, give Michael a call he's a very nice man, I cant coment on the CX's as to be honest i've not got on very well with them, but 150mm Randel/UB's would be a good choice i think, if your using a standard type truck at the back with the C7, just but one 150mm and check my page for how to wedge them, it works for me??
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long distance duribility
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On 5/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
I am liking the Carver CX's as my first choice for long distance pumping too.
Interesting to define 'long distance' though eh? For me I consider 20 - 40 km long distance.
And also, as Derek pointed out, how fast a truck wears out is a big factor in this sport. I am curious to see how the Holeys will wear and, therefore, how long they last. Durability is put to the test with the repetive motion of ldp for sure.
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pumping trucks
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On 5/24/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey tarin!
i pumped on randall 180s for a couple years before switching over to the 150s- the wider hanger is nice for stability on downhills, but as for pumping it required a bit too much work to keep a groove going.
recently i've been a big fan of the carver cx trucks. the c7s felt a little too wiggly for me, but they are nice for leisurely rides. carvers are great, especially for the uphill stuff- inclines that were tough with the randalls are no problem with the carvers.
the one thing i am finding with the carver cx though, is that i need to replace them about every 500 miles or so (which is, coincidentally, what is recommended for running shoes). the aluminum (is that what the hanger is made of?) around the kingpin gets chiseled away from pumping, and the round hole becomes oval-ish, resulting in a loss of precision. at lower speeds, it's not such a disadvantage, but the inefficiency does add up at higher speeds and on longer rides. i recently bought a set of carver cxs that i am just using on special occasions. it's amazing how different they feel!
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long distance pumping
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On 5/24/2006
tarin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(84.64.nnn.nnn)
i ride carver C7's that keep breaking on me.. and while i really like them, i cant afford to keep replacing them. so maybe its time to switch trucks.
my set-up has been a cloud 9 flexy on C7s, 1 inch hard flat risers, and 70mm 78a kryptonic route wheels.
i mostly do flatland pumping with a lot of inclines, often long (to me, long is about 3 miles, i get pretty tired after that, especially if the road is very gritty) distance pumping, and occasionally i bomb hills.
does anyone here have any recommendations? how are randal 180s for pumping? james seems to like RTR trucks a lot and i wonder how similar they feel to carvers (and how durable they are in comparision).
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Holey trucks for LDP?
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On 5/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
When I met up with Longboardlarry at Danger Bay5 this weekend he handed me a pair of Holeys to try out. At first I was sceptical about how pumpable these trucks would be.
Today I mounted them on a Sandpiper and added some pink gummies just for the good looks of the set up and hit the seawall for a 6 km non-stop no-touch pump trial run.
My first impressions of these trucks for pumping were quite positive. The stock bushings felt similar in hardness to stock bushings in my Carvers. However due to the non removable kingpin I wasn't able to replace the stock pin with a longer one and therefore could not loosen the trucks to my preferred washer-spinning setting. In spite of being a little tighter than I like, the trucks pumped surprisingly well.
Time will tell how the bushings hold up and what type of bushings can be used in place of the stock Holey bushings.
At this point I will cautiously say that for causal pumping, at least, the Holeys can be relied upon.
I'll add more kilometres of pumping in the next few weeks and then report back with my findings over the long(er) haul.
In the meantime here are a few pix of my set up:
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