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Let's Not get carried away now...
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On 6/1/2005
HACKETT - DEATHBOX SKATEBOARDS
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United States
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Chris, Thank God your at least trying to ride transition!
Let's not get carried away and call that "Vert" now.
This whole thread is about The Lord's of Dogtown movie. Not you,
or me. But let's make it about us - Cause we need the attention!
Who was it that once said that "Man's greatest fear is the fear of
insignificance"?
Well, sounds to me like this is a great opportunity for Chris Yandall
to step up and make a documentary telling the real story of all the great
Down South guys who ripped back in the day...!
I can think of a buch of guys from Down South who ripped back then:
You
Bruce Logan
Brad Logan
Brian Logan
Dennis Shufeldt
Dan Trailer
Bobby Turner (RIP)
Doug Saladino
Dennis Martinez
Henry Hester
Bob Skolberg
Murray Estes
David Paul
and of course my all time favorite Down South Styler:
Greg Weaver
There were many, no doubt.
But, I'll say it again; "DogTown and Z-Boys" is just that. About DogTown and Z-Boys.
No one's stopping you to make "DownSouth and S-Boys" or whatever your vision is...
FYI: This is what me "and the women" were racing on over memorial weekend:
HACKETT AT "THE BEAR - THE WAIMEA OF DITCHES" ALB. N.M. 5/30/05
Love and Kisses this time.
HACKETT - BLR
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On 6/1/2005
frank
wrote in from
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Remember its not about fun, its all about image. Skaters are cool.
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Lords of Dogtown
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On 6/1/2005
MG
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I remember hearing Venice locals at the Bicknell race last year who were pissed at how "inaccurate" the movie was, with fictional characters put in and real rippers like Steve Piccolo and John Palfreyman left out. I also remember cove local Adrian Reif telling them that it was a movie from Hollywood, fer chrissakes.
If you watch the old classic "Downhill Motion" it's clear that lots of folks were riding pools in those days, and not all of them from LA county. And Bob Neishi had the whole slash surf style going on in that era as well. But sorry, TodC, Gelfland's contribution to vert does not come into the picture till much later.
Basically, it is a fictionalized movie. And those that know, know what happened and who did it.
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Chris Yandall Doesnt Skate Anymore
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On 6/1/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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OK, I was at the poway skatepark with Doug Salidino a few weeks ago. He asked me why I wasnt at the Poway Pump House with the rest of the "women" :D
And I agree with you, I cant get down that steep and deep as well as I used to, but I can go straight down :D
I do skate daily.
As for betting who's better, putting money where my mouth is? I skate. You can ask the kids at the powayskate park. www.powayskate.com. I have nothing to prove other than I'm promoting the sport for the upcoming generations not based on drug infested past of a bunch of whiners who thought they invented the sport. Sure they had their place in history books but they weren't the dominating force that brought skateboarding out of the dark ages. This is something they are dreaming up. The down south guys back in those days deserve every much bit of recognition over dogtown.
I put up a wager as flame bait to find out who's really passionate about the sport in reference to this movie that is stirring up emotions from the past. Cool. You get a big bone, dude. Thanks for posting the true results from the past.
Yep I dont skate...
I'm sure we'll run into each other soon. I can show you my 2 foot samoan squat that I invented and can almost pull off to this very day.
I hope to train with Lynn Kramer soon http://lynnkramer.com/ ( i'm helping her get here site up).
So YEA! I'm heading down to the beach right now to skog! www.skogging.com jogging with your skateboard. It's great exercsise and I'm down in Mission beach often cruising. You skate the world up your way, I'll do it mine.
But don't tell me the Dogtown story is an accurate portrayal of what really went down. I was there. In more ways than one.
I'm probably one of the few guys unafraid to speak out against the inaccurate Del Mar domination claim the movie seems to emphasize as a "turning" point in the history of skateboarding.
Cheers
Chris Yandall
p.s. i'm down at mission beach on the boardwalk cruising on my 38" deck getting some exercise. you are welcome to join someone who doesnt skate anymore.
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On 6/1/2005
slim
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the rest of you all are free to make your own movies, too, you know.
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re-writing history
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On 6/1/2005 toddc
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There does appear to be a little bit of revisionist history going on these days. All of the press is making it sound like the dogtown guys invented vert skating. If that's the case, what were Waldo and Mike Weed doing at Mt. Baldy? They also make it sound like the DT guys were pure slashers who redefined freestyle, but we've seen video of Alva doing nose wheelies and tic-tacing around. I think there were other guys riding pools concurrently as well. Who really launched the first air? Who knows? Wasn't gelfand ass responsible for vert progress as any Dt'er? As for bank/ditch riding,there was escondido and brea as well as the westside schools. So, it looks like a simplification of skate history is going on which will exclude lots of legends (cYa included). But most of the people who are learning from this movie only have a half hearted interest in history anyway.
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YANDALL; DSK FOR LIFE?
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On 6/1/2005
HACKETT - DEATHBOX SKATEBOARDS
wrote in from
United States
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Chris Yandall; do I sense a resentment?
Dude, You don't even skate anymore. You quit years ago.
You post, and I quote; "So my reply is that I'll go up against any over 50 Dogtown Skater on vert or downhill today and make them look like sh*t, which many of them are today. Most of them drug addicts, derelicts and basically low life's"
That's a mis-informed statement Chris. Let's see, for the record:
TA- Ripping.
Jay - Still Inventing Moves on Vert, just got married last week to a Brazilian Beauty.
Stacy - Big Time Hollywood Director. Can skate anything, anytime, anywhere.
Shogo - One of the Most Underrated and ripping OG Z-Boys- Still Kills it with more style than your entire being will ever know.
Wentzle - Racing Slalom, riding banks and styling hard.
Muir - No drugs here.
The list goes on and on...
Buddy, I always have much respect for any skater who came before me including you, but you need to lay off the meth pipe.
I'll bet money that Original Z-Boys Allen Sarlo AND Nathan Pratt can take you down in Slalom and on Vert, or in the water ANY DAY. I think they are both about 50.
Here's the photo of the Del Mar results. Yes, you took first in the SENIOR MEN'S
SLALOM. Big Deal. I can say that because I am one of the top current slalom racers in the world- So What, Who cares...
The REAL contest was the Junior Men's Freestyle. And yes, Tony and Jay did not win that event. But what they did do was show the world a new way of riding a skateboard. - Low Slung, Pivotal, Surf Skate Style. Period. Everyone else was riding like a stand up erect KOOK stick figure.
That is main point of the Documentary. As Biniak said; "We were like a Hockey team showing up to a figure skating contest".
The documentary and the movie never claim that Tony or Jay won. What those movies did say is that they Blew Minds.
In closing, for the record the winner of the Del Mar Jr. Men's Freestyle was
my good friend and the guy responsible for showing me how to ride a pool: Steven Piccolio - who was from Pacific Palisades / Santa Monica;
Basically DogTown...
No hard feelings Chris- But if you want to put your money where your mouth and computer keyboard are- Show up this weekend at my BLACK LEATHER RACING / RADIKAL / KHIRO OUTLAW PUMP STATION RACE on Sunday to prove your skills.
You know where it is. You claimed to come race there a few months ago and showed up but never raced...?
52 Y.O. Rene Carrasco of the Legendary Carrasco Brothers might be there; I'll put money down on him to beat your time...Hell, I'll even lend you my board!
Love Always,
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
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"most" IS THE KEY word
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On 6/1/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
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I knew what I wrote would be taken out of context just as the movie took the Del Mar contest out of context.
I am realizing now that arguing over fictional screenplay is going to be a pure waste of time.
the american audience is hellbent on hyperbole and this movie serves it piping hot.
suffice it to say some of us are still alive and healthy to talk about reality.
as for Stacey, he was no better than the average pro skater of his time.
cYa
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Yandall v. dog town
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On 6/1/2005
slim
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Yandall, guess it just goes to show that while other skaters may not have lacked in skate talent, they lacked a Craig Stecyk to tell their tale.
You wrote: "Most of them drug addicts, derelicts and basically low life's hoping to make a quick buck by rewriting history putting them in limelight to rake in dough. "
Peralta is the one who wrote the documentary and the screenplay for the Lords Of as well. Are you saying he is a low life drug addict? Clearly he wasn't/isn't.
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double the stacy
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On 6/1/2005 herbn
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i'll have to look for stacy doubling his old self, it's gotta be a profile; behind a barbra walterish vasolined lense effect, in the book he's shown with the "stacy" actors and he's as wide as both of them put together.
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review of the film
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On 5/31/2005
Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
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REVIEW
By Christy Lemire
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:21 p.m. ET May 31, 2005Art imitates art imitating life in “Lords of Dogtown,” the fictionalized version of the award-winning documentary “Dogtown and Z-Boys,” about the Southern California dudes who revolutionized skateboarding in the 1970s.
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This may sound redundant. Or needless. Or self-congratulatory. It’s all of the above, as Stacy Peralta — one of the original Z-Boys, who directed and co-wrote the 2002 documentary — gets to relive his glory days once again. Not only did he write this script, as well, but he filled in as a last-minute stunt double when the young actor playing him (towheaded John Robinson from Gus Van Sant’s “Elephant”) couldn’t quite pull off a trick.
One can only imagine what might come next: a dramatization of “Super Size Me,” in which an actor playing Morgan Spurlock eats at McDonald’s every day for a month, or perhaps a re-enactment of the re-enactments of the Michael Jackson trial, which air nightly on E!
Quick facts
Starring: Heath Ledger, Emile Hirsch, John Robinson, Johnny Knoxville, Victor Rasuk
Director: Catherine Hardwicke
Run time: 1 hour, 45 minutes
MPAA rating: PG-13
In theory, the logic behind bringing the “Dogtown” story to the screen all over again is that people don’t go to the theater to see documentaries — unless it’s an election year, the documentary is about the president and the director is Michael Moore. (Despite receiving nearly universal critical acclaim, “Dogtown and Z-Boys” only made about $1.3 million at the box office.)
People do, however, go to the theater to see high-energy movies starring hot, young, shirtless stars; besides Robinson, the cast includes Heath Ledger, Emile Hirsch, Johnny Knoxville and Victor Rasuk from the indie hit “Raising Victor Vargas.”
In that regard, director Catherine Hardwicke delivers an irresistible summer spectacle, with dazzling camerawork and a driving soundtrack — similar to that of the documentary — which includes Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, David Bowie and Ted Nugent.
With help from cinematographer Elliot Davis, Hardwicke makes you feel like you’re riding right alongside the boys — zooming down steep hills and careening along the edges of empty swimming pools with gravity-defying grace. (The point-of-view shots from the skateboards’ urethane wheels are especially thrilling — or nauseating, depending on your tolerance for motion sickness.)
Hardwicke proves herself to be the perfect person to depict this intoxicating way of life. Not only does she live in Venice, Calif., where so much of the influential surfing and skating took place, but she’s also made her name as a filmmaker with a flair for gritty realism with “Thirteen,” an unflinching look at girls gone wild.
The Z-Boys’ low, smooth skating style and carefree looks turned them into rock stars and eventually brought some of them unexpected wealth and fame. But guerrilla skateboarding primarily served as escape and catharsis, and it provided them with an identity away from their broken homes and impoverished lives.
Peralta, Jay Adams (Hirsch) and Tony Alva (Rasuk) had skateboarding, surfing, each other and little else. Under the guidance of volatile surf shop owner and de facto father figure Skip Engblom (Ledger, channeling Val Kilmer in “The Doors”) they became a formal, unified team that astonished everyone at competitions up and down the coast.
The same talent that brought them together, though, eventually tore them apart as magazine articles and endorsements deals started falling into their laps. (Knoxville gets to play dress-up as a pimped-out promoter who sucks Alva into his flashy lifestyle and away from his hometown friends.)
Such material excess would seem antithetical to their skate-pirate philosophy. But don’t expect much character development to help you understand these people; they’re depicted as more interesting for what they do than who they are. Surprisingly, the real-life Peralta has turned his on-screen self into the most two-dimensional figure of them all. And “Thirteen” star Nikki Reed (as Alva’s sister) and Rebecca De Mornay (as Adams’ mother) are mere blips in this male-dominated world.
But if it’s a mindless thrill ride you’re after, this is it. Climb aboard and hang on.
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DELMAR HISTORY REWRITTEN IN ERROR
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On 5/31/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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I just got a call from Paul Engh, the winner of the Junior Division downhill at the Del Mar contest where the Bored of the Fogtown idiots attempt to rewrite the results of the contest that have been well documented in many magazines with the correct results, was wondering how I'm taking the results. I won the Men's Downhill division(BAREFOOT) with my buddy Dan Trailer placing a close 2nd. When we got there and saw the competiion, we knew the real contest was going to be between us as a photo finish for the final race had me winning by a pubic hair :D
Recently I saw Jim Muir, dogtown sales guy and one of the original dogtown boys at an action sports show how here in san diego. I mentioned to him how the first movie erroneously misled the public with their domination of Del Mar. He flat out said, "you guys from down south are a bunch of whiners". :D
So my reply is that I'll go up against any over 50 Dogtown Skater on vert or downhill today and make them look like sh*t, which many of them are today. Most of them drug addicts, derelicts and basically low life's hoping to make a quick buck by rewriting history putting them in limelight to rake in dough.
He said, there aren't any. They are couch potato skaters today at the very best. The only one I've seen looking great today on a skate from that era is Tony Alva and when he crosses the over 50 line, I'm saying bring it on!
So there was an interview in Skateboarder Mag after I won the Kate sessions, Del Mar and San Diego World downhill contests.
For the record, here are some tidbits from "back in the day" where it clearly shows who's right and who's stupid.
Spread the word, the movie has misleading information.
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Since When Are Skaters NOT The Public....and...."Lord's of Dogtown" Moves?
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On 5/31/2005
North Carolina Longboarder-DownHill Billies
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United States
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Since when are skaters not "the public?" Parks are for the Public? Geez.
The fact that they have to invoke a "sound" ordinance in order to stop skateboarding basically says that they are totally reaching for a way to band it. I am normally not one of those "Skateboarding Is Not A Crime" people. Skating isn't a crime but trespassing and destruction of private property are both crimes. That is where skaters get a bad name. Many people in the sport have no respect for private property. But, making a statement like "Parks are for the Public" just totally ticks me off.
And, I have not seen the "Lords of Dogtown" but I suspect that any "moves" featured in the movie are not on stair rails, ledges, etc. Besides, the biggest "noise maker" on new school skateboards are not the trucks grinding but the sound of those rock hard wheels rolling or the sound of the decks slapping the ground missed trick after missed trick after missed trick after missed trick after missed trick after missed trick after missed trick after missed trick after missed trick. I would bet the wheels featured in "Lords of Dogtown" sound smoooooooooooooth on the pavement!
Marion Karr
www.downhillbillies.org
"Fueling The Stoke One Hillbilly At A Time!"
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retro wheels
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On 5/31/2005
glenn
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when r the retro berts and verts gonna come out
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Let the fun begin...
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On 5/31/2005
Michael Brooke
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Canada
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it's a media feeding frenzy....or not!
taken from some New York paper that seems to have its metaphors mixed...
No ‘Lords of Dogtown’ stuff in square
By Lincoln Anderson
In an effort to ground grinding skateboarders and mute loud music in Union Sq. in the evenings, the Parks Department and Police Department a few weeks ago started a joint enforcement program to limit these types of free-wheeling activities. According to Bill Castro, Parks’s Manhattan borough commissioner, the new program is in response to local residents’ complaints.
Specifically, any skateboarder trying to do “Lords of Dogtown”-like tricks on the square’s south plaza granite steps or handrails will be issued a summons and their property, i.e. skateboards, seized. Those using amplified sound without a sound permit will likewise receive a summons, Castro said. Police have recently started confiscating electric bullhorns in the square.
“Grinding” is a skateboarder and rollerblader term for sliding down railings, stair edges and walls.
“It damages the stairs, granite and metal edges,” Castro said. “They say they want to street skate. But they just want to skate on property — in the park and plaza.”
Castro said the skateboarders can go to skate parks, such as in Riverside Park or in the Hudson River Park’s Tribeca section.
As for, another issue, the expansion of vendors in the square’s southwestern and southern end, Castro said there’s really no enforcement that can be done, since they are allowed to be there under the First Amendment. But new vending legislation making its way through the City Council may result in some changes.
“It’s a concern, because it takes up quite a lot of space,” Castro said of the vendors. “We’re happy to have them there within limits — so that people can walk through freely. Parks are for the public.”
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age
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On 5/30/2005
slim
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btw, i was only 7 in 1975. I had a skateboard, but didn't get heavy into it for a few more years. By the 80s I was in deep.
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On 5/30/2005
slim
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i too would like to hear if there is anything in the film that makes it inappropriate for younger kids. we're not puritans or anything over here and it won't be the first time they've heard, uh, 'creative' language so that won't bother me but is there anything sexual or anything like that that might make me want to leave the kids home?
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On 5/30/2005 Glen D.
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I was 11. I was riding a Roller Derby Mustange 15 and got to ride my neighbors Bahne with Chicagos and Cadillacs on occassion. I had a Black Knight about 2 years before that but it got ripped off.My family was poor so gettig the money for a real board was out of the question so I made the best of the Mustage 15 for about 2 years. I started doing baby sitting, lawn mowing, anything to be able to buy a board with urethane wheels. We were sitting on the floor at Val Surf checking out the stickers and stuff, just hanging out like normal, when they put the first issue of Skateboarder up on the counter. The things I remember the most were Bolsters photos of Shufeldt, Weaver, Cathey, and Bob Neishi. They skated like a couple kids who lived down the street from me named Tony and Johnny Altieri. To be honest, I didn't get into the Dogtown guys until later, when they started getting color photos in the magazine. I never read the articles and wasn't into the black and white photos. I wasn't much for the artsyness of the Dogtown articles, it didn't really connect with an 11 year old and some of his photos were obviously bail shots or things like guys riding on snow skis with trucks and wheels (not longboard style, snow ski style with boots and all). My neighborhood had all the graphity, C14 was the local gang, and the junkies in the park so I saw that stuff all the time. I liked the "paradise" look the Bolster gave his shots. Within a year or so though when Alva had the fs air shot, we got vato hats and would skate all over trying to look like him. My friend got the red Op shorts and red vans to look like Stacy.
I'm looking forward to seeing the film and hope it's appropriate for mny 11 and 13 year old to see.
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On 5/30/2005
Steve in AZ
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I turned 11 in July of '75.
My folks made the move from Chicago to Arizona in January of that same year. It would be only a few months before I got my first cheap-o store-bought clay wheeler. '76 got me my Makaha Fiberglass w/diamond kick: the envy of the neighborhood! '77 saw that board modified with axle extenders and no-name RR-style wheels...and stolen by my next-door neighbor. July of 77 my parents paid the remainder of what I owed on my Tunnel Waldo from Sidewalk Surfer in Scottsdale.
I still got the Tunnel and SS is still owned by Sandy Hamilton. She sits behind her desk & smokes and still remembers EVERY board she sold when her shop was in the Civic Center.
More than anything else, all the hype & stories about what was going on in California & DT & Badlands & those "slalom" geeks in San Diego got us more & more pissed-off and made us skate that much harder.
-=S=-
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Massive Vert Ramp on Hollywood blvd
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On 5/30/2005 Floyd
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Went to the Premiere
Hollywood style, Manns Chinese Theater,
hands in the concrete,
thick Red Carpet, flashing bulbs,
hottest girls, open bar, five course free food,
tons of freebie shwag, great film
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On 5/30/2005 matt
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i was 15.kevin reed,buttons.mark liddell all had surf style.kevin reed was radical,but smooth along with the z-boys.
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kid approved
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On 5/29/2005
Steve
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Is the movie ok to bring young kids 8-10 year olds?
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On 5/28/2005 toddc
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14
Dogtown era for me (a kid in michigan) began in 77 or so (16 at that point) and I thought Gregg Weaver, Mike Weed, Tay Hunt, Toft, Pineapple, Sims, Piercy etc. were as cool as the DT guys just in a different way.
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On 5/28/2005
sumdum1
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how old where you in 1975?
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On 5/27/2005 middleschooler
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haven't seen it yet. checked photos on movie wesbite. sid? chino? thunder monkey?
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