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On 4/3/2002
Gus
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Just to send a brief note, I know I'm talking to the converted here but.....
I spent 4 weeks in a coma from a downhill slam. I wish I knew how much it hurt but I was unconscious. I don't care what gets worn, as long as it's worn. Sk8 hard
DEX(GUS)
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specialized P3
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On 4/3/2002 R.
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jonathan--no, according to the bicycle helmet safety institute (bhsi.com or .org--check it out), bicycle helmets have a higher safety standard than skate. Mostly it has to do with the type of foam, EVA vs. the soft foam in many "skate" helmets. So, you're better off (I think) with a bmx lid than a crappy pro-tec shell helmet.
Plus, the P-3 looks pretty nice.
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On 4/3/2002 jonathan
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oops just read Dr F s posting previous. You say that sk8 helmets are not rated for bmx. Is vice versa also the case?
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On 4/3/2002 jonathan
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whats the lowdown on specs for bmx helmets (or potties as we fondly call them in the shop i work in) as to suitability/laws using them for sk8in? The Specialized P3 is the one I have in mind...
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Dually Shoes
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On 4/2/2002 R.
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Ah! I understand, AXO and 661 are two different companies. According to one review, the neoprene thing is a removable ankle gaiter to keep out trail twigs and dirt, although another one also mentions it as ankle support. Should be of interest to all those mountain boarders out there. I have to say the AXO Dually looks damn stylish, too.
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AXO Dually ankle wrap thing
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On 4/2/2002
Tony Healy
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Yeah, the had some sort of neopren ankle wrap thing that was attached to the inside of the shoe with velcro. Didn't have to do surgery on the shoe to remove them. The hi-top upper has built-in ankle pads, which is one of the reasons I got the shoes. A nice feature is that the top of the shoe cuts away in back so your Achille's tendon doesn't get pressured. Also, I think AXO and 661 have the same parent company.
[Guess the ankle wrap thing might be useful if you were BMX jumping and wanted more ankle support. Seems like if you landed hard enough to tweak your ankle, the wrap wouldn't do much. But hey, mayne they're really there to hold your socks up or something.]
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661 Dually "neoprene ankle holder thing"
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On 3/28/2002
Kaylee
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The only things on this shoe I could remove without comprimising the structure are the insoles and the laces. Tony, did your shoes have something else easily removed, or did you hack and stitch them up to take out the built in stiff ankle guards, or am I missing something?
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rolls & hats
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On 3/26/2002
Dr_F
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A good motorcycle helmet doesn't have much extra weight to offset, but
they're expensive, approaching the price of a speed ski helmet - I
think I'm more likely to go that way when I'm ready to drop that kind
of cash.
As for using a neck roll with a cheap (heavy) helmet: I've considered
it. I think the main reason I don't use one is that the only time I
saw one in a store, I didn't have the cash in my pocket for that and
what I came in for. I also suspect they'd interfere with your ability
to look up enough while in a tuck. Has anybody tried 'em? And yeah,
I would feel kinda goofy wearing one. But I suppose I'd feel even
goofier steering a motorized wheelchair with my tongue 'cause I broke
my neck.
flyaway: It's better than nothing. No helmet will protect you from
everything. A skate helmet should actually be more protective than
bike or MC helmets at low speeds. Softer foam makes a better cushion
for your head, unless you bottom out the foam. Going faster means you
are more likely to bottom out. Stiffer foam means you are less likely
to bottom out. So soft foam (skate helmet) is the thing for low
speeds, going to stiffer foam as speeds increase.
I'm a physicist, not a physician.
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Dually
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On 3/26/2002 R.
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Kaylee--
Read down eight posts to Tony Healy's review of Dainese/ Dually.
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661 Dually neoprene
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On 3/26/2002
Kaylee
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R.,
What do you mean, like neoprene ankle pads? I'm not 100% sure of your question.
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DC Shoes
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On 3/25/2002 R.
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Just a word to the wise and financially strapped:
After a long search for skate shoes for my heel ailments, I settled on the DC Verse model. After a long shipping SNAFU, they are finally here. Good quality, good fit, very solid construction, and palatable design. I will demo them in the following months and report on airbag popping and any other issues.
Also, if you go to the DC website, and click on the DC shoes store, they have many shoes on sale for half-price or more, and a lot of models you don't see in the skate shops. Some actually look okay. UPS shipping is only $5, so it's really worth it to get $98 pair of shoes for $45. DC sizes small. I recommend trying on a random pair at a skate or other shop before ordering online.
Now I have to save up some more money for the 661/AXO Duallys... Kaylee did your shoes have the neoprene and ankle pads, etc. as well?
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661 Dually shoes
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On 3/21/2002
Kaylee
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My local bike shop finally got the shoes I ordered well over 2 months ago. Next time I shop online. Anyway, these shoes did not dissapoint me. They remind me alot of Airwalk Disasters, except stiffer. The high-top is stiff and supporting. The sole seems durable and is still grippy enough for my needs. It makes a cool screeching sound when I brake on smooth concrete. The "ollie pad" and the heel pad are rubber. I put in some good Dr. Sholl's insoles to replace the weak stock ones. These are by far my most comfortable pair of shoes. If you are looking for a nice stiff hightop that you can skate in, I highly recommend this shoe. If you like your shoes with grippy gum rubber soles and lighter/softer uppers, get a pair of Vans.
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Downhillers and Neck Rolls
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On 3/18/2002 R.
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Dr. F. and everybody
Again, I want to know--why don't people wear good motorcycle helmets and neck rolls to prevent neck injury from the extra weight? Is it unstylish, kooky, cramp the neck, or what?
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Weak helmets
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On 3/15/2002
kaylee
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So, I'm assuming the flyaway helmet I just scored is good for looks only?
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Re: Helmet
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On 3/15/2002
Dr_F
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A skate helmet will protect you better than a baseball cap, but that's about it.
To test bicycle helmets (bear with me a second here) for standard compliance,
they basically strap in a bowling ball, drop it, and measure the G's.
For all the US standards, max G has to be less than 300 (ouch!). CPSC (required by law),
ASTM, and Snell B90 all do a 2m drop. Snell B95 uses 2.2m. That's 14.0 and 14.7 mph
when the thing hits the ground. Skate helmets do not meet bicycle standards,
so they don't even protect you at 14, let alone 40.
Motorcycle helmets are made for high speeds (and tend to be nicely aero),
but the cheap ones are heavy, increasing the possibility of neck injury.
I usually wear a full-face helmet made for downhill BMX. www.prorider.com, $60-$75.
The Pro BMX has better ear holes than the DH2.
If you're concerned about style, Pro-tec makes bicycle helmets that look just like
skate helmets. They are single-impact styrofoam. Some of their snow helmets
have multi-impact foam that is denser than that in the skate helmets, so probably
somewhat more protective at high speed, but still less so than a bike helmet.
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Re: Helmet
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On 3/13/2002 Spat
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I would not suggest the standard "skateboard helmets" for high speed skating. You might want to check the archives for more suitable alternatives.
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Dainese & Dually
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On 3/11/2002
Tony Healy
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Dainese has both style and solid product. But yeah, you're paying for the style too. Only fallen once at fairly slow speed [dumped a motorcycle in a corner at around 25ish] and it held up quite well. There are other well made suits which aren't as pricy, and ones that are pricier. Aside from style, price factors seem to be thickness and number of layers of leather, stitching (double, triple, kevlar thread), among others. Used suits are also an option.
Got some AXO dually shoes (which look lots like 661s version). Built in ankle pads are nice. Took out the neoprene ankle holder thing. Sole is harder rubber, but I ground it down and glued on rubber for luging, so original sole didn't matter to me.
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harbinger
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On 3/11/2002 R
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when I was shopping around for pads online a while back I read a review from a shortboarder that basically said exactly the same thing; the pads are crap quality--they came unstitched in a jiff for him too.
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skate board helmet?
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On 3/10/2002
J
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would skate board helmets work at 40+ speeds. what would be the besthelmet to buy. thanks
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Harbinger
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On 3/10/2002
Tom
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I bought a set of there elbow pads the other day. I haven't really but any miles on them and they have started to already. I have used them only 5 or 6 times and the elastic straps that are on them started to un stitch them selves. I am a big guy so I expected some ripping, but not where they are. when I put them on I use the inside foam thingy to hold them on my arms and only lossely tighten the straps, so i don't know what the deal is. if any one has experienced this or knows of some way to right the problem that would really rock. thanks
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TK's Knees (187 deal)
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On 2/23/2002 lbk
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TK suffers from an unusual knee disorder; it is called “biguskneeus”. Help the guy out so he can get some XXXXL kneepads. Rumor is his knees will grow so big that in time he will not be able to make it around a single cone. Also those 187’s are good pads.
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187's
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On 2/22/2002
TK
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I got my 187's new from Simon Levene, they are killer pads though a tad small for me. I would trade or sell them if anyone wants. TK
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Ooops, One more thing..
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On 2/21/2002 Spat
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Forgot to ask: AG, do have an idea about how much the 187's cost? I don't beleive I've ever come across those before and they look nice. I need some new elbows so that might be a brand for me to consider. Thanks.
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Pads...
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On 2/21/2002 Spat
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As far as quality pads not being available today, I would have to disagree. Especially when comparing to the pads of the mid 80's. Granted, Pro-Tec, TSG, Rector, etc. are really lacking to say the least when it comes to protection for aggressive skating (I'm basically speaking of vert/park style riding and protection). But pads such as Pro-Designed, Boneless, and Pain Cheaters (awesome knee pads) offer quality pads. Currently, I'm using Boneless pads and am very pleased with the protection and comfort. There are options out there if you're willing to pay.
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Pro Designed Pads
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On 2/19/2002
Adam
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Also check out Pro Designed pads: http://www.prodesigned.com/
Very high quality.. I won't wear anything else.
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