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The new pic
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On 5/30/2003 WesE
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The yellow one looks OK though, but only after the ear flaps are removed. I painted my Flyaway black once and used it on a two consecutive 25 mile bike rides. Excruciatingly hot.
BTW, Semi vs Giro sounds kind of strange since the most popular Giro helmet for skateboarding is the Giro Semi :)
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Helmet comfort properties.
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On 5/30/2003 WesE
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I wear a classic Flyaway which has got to be the heaviest helmet for skateboarding ever. Yet, it doesn't bother me. A small amount of ventilation wouldn't be the worst either, except for the fact that the helmet in question is black. A black hemet without much venting will be unbearibly hot, and for that, the helmet pictured gets two WesE thumbs down.
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New pic
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On 5/30/2003 hugh r
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Like this one... has removable ear warmers... HR
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semi vs giro
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On 5/30/2003 hugh r
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Turns out mine is the K2 Semi-automatic model. I tried on the Giro Nine helmet, but even in it's largest size it was still too small... HR
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Helmets
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On 5/30/2003 Ryder
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That helmet has no vents or very few and is heavy. Hot, hot, hot.
The Semi has lots of vents and will work with the new TuneUps coming out by Giro which has built in speakers in the helmet ear pads. Sweet!
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one more thing
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On 5/30/2003 hugh r
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Mine doesn't have that rivited over portion in the front... it's fully one peice all around the whole hat... HR
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K2 snowboard helmet
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On 5/30/2003 hugh r
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I own a K2 snowboard helmet that is super similar to the one pictured... may be the same exact one, give or take a model year.
I am considering using it as a skate helmet because the construction seems real good and there is plenty-o-back-o-head protection. It has the closed cell type foam and decent padding... it's very comfortable and best of all it fits my gigantic mellon!
Any thoughts on this helmets appropriateness as a skateboard helmet??? Thanks, HR
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Peculiar consumer advice
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On 5/29/2003
WesE
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Unlike bicyclists, skateboarders and those who rollerblade, rollerskate and the like are more likely to fall backwards making impacts to the back of the head more common.
I agree, but that doesn’t rule out all bicycling helmets. Some have the same covarage as ones traditionally worn for skateboarding. The ones made by Gyro come to mind.
A rider who is about to be involved in an incident is also likely to be using their hands and arms to try to maneuver the bike rather than for the natural act of protecting their head and face.
Not that this applies to skateboaring, but I find this statement to be ridiculous when when used as an argument. It doesn’t matter what people are doing with their hands before a bicycling incident. I doubt anyone on a bike during mid-crash would still be trying to correct the behaviour of the bike rather than trying to save themselves.
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Why I am forced to shop on line.
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On 5/29/2003 lbk
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"I wish I could walk into a skate shop and just buy a decent helmet, designed for skateboarding but I can't."
I wish I could walk into a skate shop and just buy a decent skateboard or decent wheels or decent trucks or decent knee pads or______________
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helmet
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On 5/28/2003 hc
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btw, thx to fatt matt for posting up some of those helmet links.
i am currently trying to get a reprint of a great, easy to understand helmet article that i read before from the USHangliding mag.
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more
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On 5/28/2003 hc
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(that was from the snell website)
scroll down to the article 'So what's the difference?'
http://www.smf.org/stds.html
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why you shouldn't wear bicycle helmets
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On 5/28/2003 hc
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So, why so many different helmets and standards? Well, all activities are not created equal. You may think that activities like bicycling and skateboarding are pretty much the same, wheeled, non-motorized vehicles that are used on paved surfaces. In some ways they are alike but, they also differ in some important aspects. Studies have demonstrated that the the head impacts that cyclists receive are more frequently located on the front third of the helmet down near the lower edge. This is likely a result of the dynamics of how people ride and the design of bicycles. A rider who is about to be involved in an incident is also likely to be using their hands and arms to try to maneuver the bike rather than for the natural act of protecting their head and face.
Skateboarders generally have less maneuvering capability and thus less active control, except for perhaps those who have an expertise in the activity. The environment that these items are used are commonly less controlled, with a larger variety of unknown hazards. Unlike bicyclists, skateboarders and those who rollerblade, rollerskate and the like are more likely to fall backwards making impacts to the back of the head more common. Their arms and hands are usually free to naturally react and cover at least the front and sides of the head helping to diffuse the impact. It becomes more important that a person on a skateboard, rollerblades or skates have a helmet that offers more protection for the back of the head.
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Helmet for serious speeds
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On 5/26/2003
Shredder
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Oh great- a helmet discussion is going on...
Hey you speedboarders, what helmets do you wear? I am wearing an Azonic Downhill biking helmet with a self- made visor, because I wanted a light helmet. What do you use?
Thanks...
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McGill Helmet
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On 5/25/2003
G7enn
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Actually, I was partially lying when I said "I couldn't get my head in any skate helmets", I can just about wedge it into a friends McGill but I don't think I could live with it for long. In my defense, I didn't try it in a skate shop so I wasn't strictly lying... It might well be a better option than the wakeboarding protec for people with slightly less deformed heads than me.
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PD Recaps.
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On 5/24/2003
Dave
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I bought some PD knee pads on e-bay. I like them but
the caps wear very fast! Is there a brand of recaps that fit PD's, last longer and are cheap?
Thanks Dave
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UK- Helmets
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On 5/23/2003
Gaz
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Glenn
I found a decent helmet yesterday coincidentally(I am a big 'ed too)in a 'action sports' shop in Kensington High Street.
It was made by 'McGill' I suppose by or for the illustrious skater.
Nice helmet- safety features good and looks good too!
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Helmets
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On 5/22/2003
Judi
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Starts with skate shops demanding better product.
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Decent skate helmets
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On 5/22/2003 WesE
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Nobody can do that. We've all been in the same boat for while now.
"I wish I could walk into a skate shop and just buy a decent helmet, designed for skateboarding but I can't."
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Protec water helmet
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On 5/22/2003
G7enn
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I didn't buy it from a skate shop, I got it from a wakeboarding centre at a nearby lake. I've been looking for a new helmet for about 18 months and I can't even get my head in anything i've tried in any skate shops. Not just discomfort, i'm talking physically impossible to wedge my head in there in the first place. The skateboard safety gear industry (or at least the bit of it that gets imported to the UK) doesn't seem to give a crap about my safety.
My options seem to be:
1. Give up skating
2. Risk wearing something from another sport (I also have a nice Giro bicycle helmet, but it's a bit alien-bulge-at-the-back to be seen skating in).
3. Get something overspecified, heavy and under ventilated which I would wear less often.
I wish I could walk into a skate shop and just buy a decent helmet, designed for skateboarding but I can't.
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Protec Water Helmet
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On 5/21/2003 lbk
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You might get away with wearing a Protec Water Helmet in the park because most skateboarder’s speeds are not all that great in a skatepark. Though I know of twice that the Protec Water Helmet cut skateboarders right above the eye when they took header into a tranny wall. For example, a friend of mine got pitched in the bottom of the dusty Vans kidney pool. The Protec Water Helmet might have kept him from getting knocked out or worse but at the same time the inside of the helmet’s soft dual density foam collapsed allowing the plastic shell to cut right into his eyebrow. He ended up with something like three stitches inside the eyebrow muscles and six on the outside skin.
Guess it is all up to the individual skateboarder to manage their own safety risks; however, what the freaking @#%$ is a skate shop selling helmets rated for water use only. I bet the shop has no clue what was sold to them by Protec and Protec could give a rat’s ass if they sell the wrong product to the shops and eventually the individual skateboarders. I don’t mind managing my risks as long as the manufacturer doesn’t trick me into taking a greater risk than I know I am taking.
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Protec water helmet
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On 5/21/2003
G7enn
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It was only a coincidence that I posted that in the middle of the protec discusion. It's just that i'd had a lot of trouble finding a helmet that fitted at all and thought i'd spread the 'good news' to other people with big heads. I had been using a heavy, uncomfortable, 25 year old flyaway with half the padding missing. Some people will tell me the old helmet is safer but the point is, I rarely wore it at all. A less safe helmet that I actually wear is better than a more safe helmet that stays in the car unless i'm forced to wear it by a skatepark's rules (4 days last year).
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lbk's got a Giro Helmet
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On 5/20/2003 lbk
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Managing Risk: Got a Giro SemiMX helmet today.
Ran into DC Downhill Club speedboarder Anthony Smallwood at the Dick Dale show last night & we were talking about the risks of skateboarding & how each person decides just how far to push it. So after doing some soul searching, I decided to upgrade my slalom helmet & go w/ a Giro because they have a sound product & they are really supporting the slalom scene (swag/prizes at races, free helmets to crash victims, posting of information on ncdsa, etc).
I purchased the Giro SemiMX model because it looked more like a traditional skateboard helmet & has a good safety rating. Most of all I figured that because slalom skateboarding reaches speeds that are much faster than skatepark skateboarding, I had to go with a helmet that will be able to handle the impact in a way that a traditional skateboard helmet can not. I’ll draw a comparison w/ how an Indy Race car crushes in a wreck to save the driver. Cars 20 to 30 years ago were built more sturdy but were much more dangerous.
The Giro Semi comes in a regular model & the MX with a removable visor (both models retails at $59.99). I like the MX visor cause it looks real “race”.
DR
PS, if Giro could do a replica of the Flyaway Helmet, paint job & all but with the modern day construction, skateboarders would buy them to use for racing & the skatepark. I can see it now, the Dogtown style photo ads for the "Jay Adam’s Giro Flyaway Model". The kids would eat it up especially to see a hard ass like Jay Adams today pushing a quality helmet.
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Addendem
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On 5/20/2003 WesE
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These Vans knee pads are definitly made by Harbinger. They have identical tags which are also fastened in the same places. The only thing different about these is that they have a black slide-cap instead of a white one, and the velcro pieces extend out to the front. Now I just need some vert pads.
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Fox Racing and Oakley
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On 5/20/2003
Judi
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Not sure if you guys have checked out Fox’s 911 elbows. I like them since they are more streamlined and less bulky, they have saved me twice. Kind of like having slide gloves on the elbow. (Hut’s wearing some as well.) Probably not the best for vert but great for racing. The 911 knees are too extreme for skating I’d have to say. They also have some other knee and elbow pads that work well that are more like the skate style old school ones. Caballero is working on some stuff with them as well but I think it’s for motocross.
I also like Oakley’s mountain bike gloves, leather, neoprene and carbon fiber knuckles. Super comfortable but expensive. You figure how much does a trip to the ER cost?
Snowboarders drop $50-70 for a day pass I think we’ve got it pretty cheap overall besides the occasional trip out of state.
Anyway just thought I mention these items since I’ve never seen anyone else wear them.
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Saftey equipment in general, etc
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On 5/19/2003 WesE
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G7enn,
If you don’t already know what started the recent discussion of Protec helmets, I invite you to take a look at the posts regarding Steve at The Bear, on the Banks & Ditches forum.
Fish,
I just found what I would consider to be fairly good pads that are a dirt chep price. At the Vans skatepark in Northern Virginia, they have what appear to be knee pads made by Harbinger with the Vans name on them. Either that, or Vans got away with copying the Harbs by just moving some vecro closer to the front of the pad. I don’t know what these pads originally went for but the tag on them says “sale price - $14.95”. The price of the Harbingers is is $36. I picked these Vans pads up tonight to replace a pair of Harbs that lasted me about 4 years of normal constant use. The padding in them is too thin for vert riding, but it is enough for everthing else. I’d guess that all Vans skateparks would have these pads right now.
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