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ah physics
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On 10/13/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
well if you set up the respective boards to ride the same height , then i think in a time trial type of race,a race where you get up to speed and maintain it as best as you can, the 97mm wheels would be better. They would ;roll over roughness better and hold momentum better. If you just bolted them on to the same board the increased height would make any extended pushing harder.There is the increased energy it takes to maintain their forward momentum,on a extended type of hill i think the big wheels can hold more of the hills energy,in a flat race all the energy is from your legs, i don't know,i once asked a question about 97mm wheels, i'll repeat it now, "is there a race where the winners needed to use 97 mm wheels, what kind of hill does this? every pic i've ever seen of a race the riders were using wheels between 75 and 85 mm,chaput makes them so they must be good somewhere.
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On 10/13/2007 ac
wrote in from
United States
(68.161.nnn.nnn)
what would be better for a long distance kicking race 97mm wheels or 76mm wheels
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Eddyschmeddy
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On 10/13/2007 Paulskiiwog
wrote in from
United States
(65.122.nnn.nnn)
Yeah Eddy, show us a picture of ALL your slalom setups too dammit!!!!
Sorry we did'nt meet up anywhere this year Bro -P
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Eddie has too many toys!
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On 9/24/2007
Jealous of Hove
wrote in from
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Wow Eddie....I can't believe that that quiver shot DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE YOUR SLALOM RIGS!!!! I have read elsewhere about what you do for a living and having a daughter who spent the first 77 days of her life i an ICU, more power to you Amigo!
See you on a hill again one day...
Martin.
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Wheels? I'm talking 'bout new tires!
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On 9/22/2007
Mr. Grinch
wrote in from
United States
(24.151.nnn.nnn)
I haven't been active on this board in years, but in a few quick glances, I still see people I met and skated with a few years ago, from various places in Cali. HC, Herbn, and others: hi from the east coast.
Anyway, though I still have a longstick (56" powerhouse with Exkate trucks and Krypto wanna be wheels), my main fix when boarding is a Carveboard. I'm not sure how long past their life span I ran my last set of tires, but after I broke another spring, I also got new tires from the manufacturer. To my surprise, I not only received the springs and tires, but the tires had new tubes! According to their site, tire orders are tires only, no tubes. Perhaps this is because I registered the board when I bought it new six years ago, perhaps because of giving them my business over those years to keep my ride flowing, I don't know. Still, to me, that was a welcome bonus as my old tubes had developed slow leaks (nothing of consequence, they held pressures for over an hour, and if you can ride one of those boards for more than a hour continuously, you got some beefy legs bro).
Like new wheels (nothing like replacing coned wheels with new grippy edges and fresh urethane), I can't explain how much more alive the first ride felt once all the swapping was done. I was used to running quite low tire pressure (26 psi rear and 27.5 front, for banks, lower for steeper hills). Just to play around, knowing that the parking lot outside my shop hasn't a lot of slope to it, I went to 31/32 rear/front. Now, aside from the fact that I think their spring rate is slightly stiffer than it used to be, the level of grip at that psi, the highest I've ever run, was amazing. If only I hadn't smoked the brain cells that could conjure up the memory of my first rides on a Carveboard, I would wonder if it all felt the same. In short, I think I went too long without replacing the tires. Even at the low pressures I was running before replacements, I would find the tires breaking free a little earlier than I wanted. It was such a long and slow process of having the adhesion limits reduced, that I generally didn't notice.
What an eye opener.
So, now I retire to sleep, so that I may wake early, find large open parking lots with lots of varied slopes and transitions, and pretend I'm surfing until my legs turn to jelly.
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I have 2 of the first cadillac wheels ever to be produced
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On 9/22/2007 "Dogtown Dave"
wrote in from
United States
(74.132.nnn.nnn)
My brother in-law gave my son 2 cadillac wheels from the first batch ever made. He was good friends with the guys who started cadillac.
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On 9/21/2007
Eddy Texas Outlaws
wrote in from
United States
(70.115.nnn.nnn)
I myself ride both Abec 11 and Seismics. They both are great wheels. There are so many choices out there right now. I want to try the Neversummer wheels and the Alligators also. It is allways a good feeling when you are going down a hill and you know what your wheels can do. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws/Pavel Flow
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urithane mysterys
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On 9/21/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
from what gather ultimate traction comes from low resilience, slow react mtb tires and sneakers based rock climbing sole compounds. I know rubber is not urithane /apples and oranges. High resilience is always mostly speed,so it would kind of make sense ,traction and rolling resistance at inversely proportional, more of one = less of the other. BUT those reflex urithanes seem really really grippy too,they just wear out faster when you do slide them, that's the trade off as far as i can tell, as far as the characteristic of the slide of reflex urithanes , i try not to slide them too much but when i throw a nice hard sliding u turn at the bottom of a hill i find them a bit sketchy in that they seem to drift a bit and try to regrab over and over again a bit choppy, that may just be right at the sliding point, i havn't bothered to try a fullspeed pendulum on them. I have a set of pink gumballs, i think they're no longer being made and should be quite rare after a bit of time.
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reflex? I heard its good, but why?
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On 9/21/2007 Sam of NY
wrote in from
United States
(68.193.nnn.nnn)
what makes a reflex formula different from other wheel urethane, for example the reflex gummies in 77a. would they be different from standard gummies of the same duro for is there a difference in the urethane construction that gives them an extra kick past normal urethane? and would reflex urethane get really spazy or jumpy if you did a big powerslide on it?
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which big zigs?
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On 9/20/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
it would be awesome if you could some how technicly or scientificly figure out what are the grippiest or fastest wheels for a give street. I think the different hardnesses must somehow be matched to different grains in asphalt ,it would be cool to be able to compare the grain on the street with a series of cards and on the back of the cards it would tell you which hardness of zigathane will grip the best and which will be the fastest. I guess i can pretty much tellif a street is smooth enough for the yellow to work,maybe i'm not 100 percent sure,by the way the big zigs all seem pretty soft i wonder if big zigs will come in orange any time soon. My new board is almost done ,so i'll be giving the yellows a test spin soon.
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On 9/20/2007 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
Big Zigs!
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On 9/12/2007 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
i am flipping back and forth between the green/lime and the more yellow big zigs the yellows are harder but the core is small and the wheel is still flexy, if those urithanes were available on flywheel core the toss up would be between the pink and green probabely going with the green. But i do have a mint set of flywheels in reflex pink and they are way fast,my current idea favors slightly firmer formulas.Speed vents are a slightly bigger but somewhat more supportive core,the big zig core is not just a sleeve there is some diameter to it,it's really close,i had a bad experience(defect) with seismic wheels so that might effect my choice,probabely go with green bigzigs
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Colorblind
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On 9/11/2007 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
We should do a poll: who wins on which color.
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Fast wheels...
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On 9/11/2007 Colourblind speed lover.
wrote in from
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On 9/6/2007 Derik wrote in from Germany (193.7.xxx.xxx)
"I would suggest to check out what wheels riders use for fastest rides. You will see a lot green wheels."
Derek I just came back from the European Champs and they were also a lot of colours other than green on the podium.
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"Wheels"
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On 9/10/2007 SLB
wrote in from
United States
(74.141.nnn.nnn)
Would you guys suggest some Retro Bigzigs in 80a, Seismic Blast waves, or Seismic Speed vents for longboarding around town on pretty smooth roads, carving and occasional downhilling. What are some differences, strenghths, weaknesses, etc. Thanks
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Seismic Hot Spots
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On 9/8/2007
Bish
wrote in from
(79.75.nnn.nnn)
As a result of Martin Draytons post about Seismic hot spots and seeing how fast he rides them, I bought a set from Octane Sport. They are fast and extremely grippy. For me weighing in at 16 stone I found they accelerate faster and have a more controllable slide when they go. Give them a go, you wont be sorry IMHO.
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On 9/6/2007 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
A wider wheel has less rolling resistance than a narrower wheel. Each wheel is flattened a little under load. This creates a flat contact area.
At the same wheel duro, a wide and a narrow wheel have the same contact area. A wide wheel is flattened over its width whereas a narrow wheel has a slimmer but longer contact area.
The flattened area can be considered as a counterweight to wheel rotation. Because of the longer flattened area of the narrow wheel, the wheel loses more of its roundness and produces more deformation during rotation. However, in the wide wheel, the radial length of the flattened area is shorter, making the wheel rounder and so it rolls better.
At some point a wider wheel will become slower. You have to find the ideal combination of riders weight, track surface, wheel duro, wheel size and wheels contact patch.
Narrow wheels are much easier to accelerate because the rotating mass of the wheels is lower.
The rebound of the wheels comes in play as well, because the urethan will store the deformation-energy and will give it back. A wheel with no rebound will kill the energy in form of heat.
I would suggest to check out what wheels riders use for fastest rides. You will see a lot green wheels.
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On 9/5/2007
jaxxx
wrote in from
Brazil
(189.11.nnn.nnn)
seismic at 114 mph, really impressive
wich wheel, (brand, size, duro...) you guys think that will be faster at TEUTONIA hill in brazil? only 4 wheels for the guinness atempt.
good asphalt, just one turn, not so hard, and a really scare straight road , 1,8 km.last year using 4 fly 83mm 81a some brazilians riders reach 87 mph ( luge )
i always have doubts about duros and sizes, seems to me that duros like 81a and higher ARE faster, and bigger wheels too,but i want to understand why and be sure about it. i can clearly feel the diference on turns,larger and softer wheels turn better,always,but why my rollerskate kryptonics wheels ( 80 mm 81a , 1cm large) are slower than my blue krypto? ( 85mm 81a 30mm large)
i have tested it, just to try understand a little more.and i didnt...
somebody wanna try to explain something? and give your "advice" about the better wheel for teutonia
tks and sorry for my english
jax
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On 9/5/2007 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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I just bookmarked your homepage for my next set of wheels.
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On 9/5/2007 Michael
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(87.114.nnn.nnn)
Yes, they may be left with 3 wheels for a while.
Thats the cost of doing good, repeat business. And if you sell volumes of wheels this isnt a problem. And to sell volumes you must give proper, good, customer service. A single wheel replacement of a slower selling wheel, lets say as an example a large diameter flywheel will take under 5 days internationaly. On faster selling wheels such as Hotspots, Zigs, Gumballs, Speedvents I'd hope your suppliers have more than one set.
I sell wheels for slalom and downhill in pairs in any case. So I'll only ever have 1 'widow' at a time.
Remeber, if you say your wheel is faulty we replace FREE OF CHRAGE. The manufacturer does the same for us.
Chicken or egg?
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Blowhole
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On 9/5/2007 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
My intention wasn't to pick at customer service, I just wanted to know if blowholes are common and if wheels with blowholes are dangerous to ride?
Michael: true. But I can understand my shop as well. They have 4 Wheels. If they give away one, there are only three left. They have to wait for the next delivery wich can take more than three weeks. Shipping a single wheel back and forth costs nearly as much a new one. So it's better to give away all the wheels for a special price and everybody is happy.
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On 9/5/2007 Michael/Octane
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(87.114.nnn.nnn)
Can I suggest that if your supplier ie shop doesnt replace single wheels then change shops?
We replace any faulty wheel, no questions asked, but we do ask to see the wheel so we can report what went wrong to our suppliers. Its rare. But I know my wheel suppliers will replace them to me. Its more important that the shops customer is happy, and the wheel supplier will try to keep their main customers happy too.
Also, the shops we supply know that if a customer returns with a wheel they can replace it there and then. I will replace theirs, and so on.
So..its your shop you should take the wheel to.
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Am I spoiled?
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On 9/5/2007 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
Why should I slander? I run Abec 11 wheels on all my boards and I'm pretty satisfied with the wheels. Except this brand new Fly. Because longboarding business is verry little in Germany I have to order everything online. Therefore it's hard to reclaim a single wheel. I now made a deal with my skateshop (which is 400 miles away), the offered me a new set of Flys for half the price and confirmed that the cavity is a fault. (They don't have single wheels and if they give me one, what should they do with the other 3?)
This is o.k. for me but what leaves me somehow unsatisfied is, that I never got an answer from s8trip nor abec11. (I think about marzocchi's customer service: I once asked via e-mail where I could buy spare shock boots for my old bicycle suspension fork. Four days later they send me a re-condition-set for free - I was stoked.)
Am I spoiled?
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Guaranteed?
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On 9/4/2007
bob
wrote in from
United States
(76.106.nnn.nnn)
My suggestion is to switch over to Seismic wheels, guaranteeed to do 114 MPH without defect
Show me that in Legal writing and I will switch to Seismics in a second.
Most of the LSR / Speed Events that are currently organized REQUIRE a speed rated tire (tyre) Is Seismic ready to step up to the plate??? :-)
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