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217s
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On 7/16/2003 atxjimatx
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Shogo rides Trackers now...
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217's are shogo's(?)
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On 7/14/2003 herbn
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i think that's what they are ,i might be wrong,they're up there somewhere , i thought it just might be a little case of oneupsmanship well actually 2 mm upsmanship,just making them a bit wider than indy's. Also i don't think they are actually shogos anymore ,they don't have his name on them(like the mike smiths) and i think shogo pulled out of the deal, "he's not riding trucks that wide anymore",but is he still riding webbs? i guess not.After one night my tail surface looks like it's off a sixmonth old popsickle,i'm gonna try to turn my glove down tailslides into grinds, soon,real soon.The grinding surface(lack of) of the webbs has got me a bit concerned, for them,not me:)
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re:HerbN's BDS Longboard
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On 7/13/2003
chris olden
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Howdy,
Hey Herb, when you say Webb 217mm's are you talking
about the Shogo's? Or is Vinnie keeping something
C-O-O-L under his hat? ;^)
I have to agree with you, the Webb's are SUPER stable
even at SPEED. Ahhhh...s#@!fires and Shogo's; and
BDS 100DubCons and Shogo's FAST FAST FAST!!!!
Chris Olden
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BDS longboard
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On 7/12/2003 herbn
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I thought i'd get this back to skateboarding, this board is SO much fun,my 85a powell bombers are losing mm's quickly, i think i'm gonna try them in 90a next, i think the 85a's lose traction because they flex,no core, so the 90a's may grip just as well when rolling but slide better. I've got tail slide slider glove berts nailed, i posted about them 4 5 years ago when i did a couple on my libteck longboards, and i seem to remember first doing them when i was riding a pink madrid mikesmith(duck graphic) with 169 thunders and oj II's, anyway, i think it's MY trick, i got them sliding like 20 thirty feet in the street 10-15 feet on the tail/curb(sometimes a bit less) and then a couple feet back in the street while getting back to rolling . The Webb 217's are being taken to higher and higher speed and are surprizingly stable despite their quick geometry and lose adjustment.
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Car vs. Bike
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On 7/9/2003
Steve in AZ
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Bikes can take cars off the line and to maybe 1/8 mile...the problem lies in the wind resistance and terminal velocity involved.
Too may posts on our Supras list have been the same debate...Yes, there are the superbikes (Hayabusas and Vmax's), but there are also MkIV Supras that put down 1000 hp to the rear wheels (Yes, i've seen them dyno that) that can eat even the fastest cycles.
I own a pretty red 1990 Supra Turbo, a pretty red 1985 Honda Nighthawk, and a pretty red Turner Needlenose & Turner Fatty. Nhyyyaaa!
Oh, and My dad can beat up your uncle...
-=S=-
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license plate
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On 7/9/2003 brad
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how about GEN11? the car flies, right?
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race
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On 7/7/2003 shnitzel
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well, my car could beat your skateboard anyday!
ha ha ha ha
oranges? apples???
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Caterhams
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On 7/7/2003
G7enn
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I Sold mine last week :-( Lovely car but I bought it back when the kids were small and I thought my weekends would consist of taking it on track days rather than taking two kids and a pile of boards skating.
Getting back into skatingboarding means i'm no longer defined by the silly (but insanely fast) car I drive. I should probably change my email address too as G7ENN is the licence plate I was trying to obtain for my Caterham...
That said, if I ever find myself with the spare money again i'll buy another, even faster one.
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R500
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On 6/30/2003 Dave T
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Yeah Michael I would love a caterham R500 this car would wipe the board with ANY non modified production bike on a race track period. And its British too.
Sent the hanger to the Barnet address, you should have it now/soon, Cheers.
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hammerhead
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On 6/30/2003 Ondrej
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The guys at Palermo let me demo the hammerhead. It is much more stable and smoother than a flowlab. Turning is extremely quick and sharp. It handles speed well with the back seismics. A pure downhill carving machine.
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car or bike
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On 6/29/2003 Michael
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Its odd, I know 3 UK slalomers with one of these cars in their garage, these things are often likened to four wheeled bikes;
its called a Caterham, which is really a Lotus 7. These 3 guys all slalom, and only realised they have the same car after a few meets.
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Car v. Bike
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On 6/29/2003
Dave H.
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Car and Driver did a comparo several years ago. The straight line acceleration was not even close, since most superbikes have something like a 3 sec. 0-100 mph profile. The power to weight ration will always be in the bike's favor. I think it was closer for things like slaloms, but my memory of it was that the bike pretty much wiped the floor with the car.
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Freebord
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On 6/28/2003
Steve
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Yes,Freebord's Ride is completely original. You can carve hard or fluid and still check speed.These Decks are able to hit speeds up to 50 Mph also.This board is primarly a snowboad simulator on pavement. I ride my X80 a lot and really enjoy the ride. If anyone in Southern California wants to demo a Freebord. Hit me up, I would love to let you try the ride.
Ride On,
Chipman
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motorcycle vs car
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On 6/28/2003 herbn
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a bike can do a different line than a car because it's narower,but the increase in contact patch can make up for that.Transfering weight side to side goes to the bike,but over all on a tight twisty race course fastest car(form 1) vs fastest bike, i think the car takes it.
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RTR
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On 6/28/2003
Dave H.
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Does RTR stand for RipOff Tierney Ride? D.
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Freebord
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On 6/28/2003
Luke
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Sorry, i meant FREEBORD, not FLOWBOARD below.
Luke
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Any new complete--
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On 6/28/2003
Luke
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In some ways I am starting to agree that things are becoming gimmicky. Don't get me wrong, mostly they are good ideas and they are original. But go look at the videos on any of these sites (i.e. flowlab, the ones listed below, carveboard, etc.) and you'll see some videos of some pretty gnarly lookin carves.
I've kinda gotten to the point where I feel like "so what?" There are about 100 different types of boards out there right now capable of cranking super-tight carves. We need to see more "development" in other areas of skating too. One that comes to my mind at least is the flowboard, because it least it introduced doing something new on a board, not just doing (essentially) the same thing in a new way.
To the great engineering minds of skateboarding: I issue you the challenge to come up with something new that is a little more important than "3 degree tighter carves!"
Just my thoughts,
Luke
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hammerhead
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On 6/28/2003
Luke
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I should have never started the hammerhead debate =\
lol.
Luke
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more
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On 6/28/2003 hc
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http://www.sportrider.com/ride/146_0110_rss/
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rtr hybrid
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On 6/28/2003 hc
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similar to the onshore board, the flow-brid ....
http://www.rtrboarding.com/products.html
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bad physics
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On 6/28/2003 hc
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mike wrote:
But assuming the owner of the car wasn't just making false claims, he was probably talking about oval racing, on a banked race course... In which case, four tires on the ground would give you more traction then the two you'd have on a bike... More traction = more speed… plus, you wouldn't worry about your tires loosing grip during turns (that's why the course is banked).
mike, i can tell you have no idea what you are talking about. You need to pick up a basic car book (Try chassis engineering by herb adams)
btw, the driver was refering to sears point raceway.
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Bikes vs. Cars
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On 6/28/2003
Nick
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It's easier to push a car to 8/10 or 9/10 consistently through a course than a bike. I had a guy pull up on my KTM Duke in a BMW 7 on a twisty road. The Duke weighs 300 lbs. and has 65bhp. The 7 weighs in the neighborhood of 4500 lbs. and has about 325bhp.
I can pull away from the 7 with ease. But it's tough to maintain that level of intensity on a bike for a long while. The guy in the 7 can push that sled pretty hard for a lot of corners, while a miscalculation on a bike can be catastrophic - especially with a BMW 7 right behind you.
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Hammerhead
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On 6/28/2003 Mike Bremer
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Ya, Dave put it perfectly.
If you want to take advantage of all 45 degrees the flowtrucks are capable off, you'd want to just buy a board from Flowlab with two flowtrucks.
The great thing about the Hammerhead is that you get a combination of spring from the rear truck, with the smooth control of the front truck. (Not to mention all the other advantages that have already been mentioned).
But, just for the record, the outer edges on the two most outer wheels on the front truck have wear... so I know that the flowtruck is being pushed to CLOSE to its extreme, if not all the way to it.
And to respond to the motorcycle/car question:
I gotta say that I’m skeptical of anyone claiming that a car can beat a motorcycle. It’s just kind of a general statement... I mean, my old Honda Civic could have beaten a Honda GoldWing (a big, heavy touring motorcycle), but put a Ferrari against a Suzuki Hibusa (does 188mph off the showroom floor), and the Suzuki will win every time.
But assuming the owner of the car wasn't just making false claims, he was probably talking about oval racing, on a banked race course... In which case, four tires on the ground would give you more traction then the two you'd have on a bike... More traction = more speed… plus, you wouldn't worry about your tires loosing grip during turns (that's why the course is banked).
Just a guess.
-MikeB
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Hammerhead Carving
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On 6/27/2003
Dave H.
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Yes, the Hammerhead board carves so tightly that it might as well be grooved into the ground. I wouldn't worry about whether the extreme angle is the same on both trucks - you'll never get to it unless you take a couple of c-clamps to your sneakers.
The neat thing, to me, is that the flow trucks give you the carve without the frictional compromises of conventional (even seismic) trucks. You are just choosing a thin wheel at the angle you want to go. That's a big difference in feel, It feels much more surfy or snowboardy because there's so little resistance up front. I think that the seismics main advantage is that they give you a flat platform for pushing off. Those of us who live in hill-challenged areas are grateful for that. I would love to live in an area where I could order a double hammerhead but that would be a totally different board - much more hill specific. The Loaded single Hammerhead is an awesome design that's better for a wider variety of terrain.
Dave H.
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slide
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On 6/27/2003 hc
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scott, everything slides out, with skinner wheels the effect is not a sudden as a wide skateboard wheels.
It's slippin', you just don't realize it.
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