|
|
|
| Long Distance Pumping (LDP) (1492 Posts)
|
| Topic |
Info |
|
oh yeah -
|
|
On 3/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Foot placement - for me, usually on top of the truck, and slide it back sometimes when in 'cruise mode.' I ride standard and put a toe stop on the upper left truck hole...
|
|
|
|
|
skump 'how to'
|
|
On 3/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Stoke, that's a perfect cross-over, going from biking and blading, to this! Having the distance mentality is really more key than anything else. The essence of skumping is taking pumping basics, and pushing them farther than before. Its resulted in a couple other pump techniques/discoveries that minimize motion and conserve for the longer rides, pumps like "shadow boxing" or "rocking the baby" -- and more slalom-like pumps whether you're sprinting to prep for a hill or flying down a nice downhill slope. Foot placement can vary, even switch stance pump (tricky but do-able!!) I end up chatting with bikers and bladers a lot more these days on the trails as I'm riding, they used to say it looked "hard" but now they talk about how smooth and fast we're going...guess that means we're gettin' better!
I've been tinkering with a "how-to" page for some time and hope to get that up soon. Of the "old" vids, only Skumping #3 has us on more of the latest equipment, with larger wheels and trucks that make the pumping more effortless. Now have been playing with this LBL prototype, with 77mm Retro-thane gummies, yowza is it quick!! Was usually riding in the 70-75mm range, now bumpin' it up again. The main thing is to pick a duro that matches the quality of the trail, Erin and I still like the soft 72a 75mm Avilas to cover all trail conditions, and now I'm diggin' the roll speed on these 75a 77's, especially when it smoothes out.
Note how the board defies gravity...
Church of Cyber Sunday morning Erin, just in case! ;-)
|
|
|
|
|
Quick setup
|
|
On 3/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
This is how mine stands at the moment,
70mm 72a flashbacks, they are much nicer than the 78a's and 65mm wheels i've tried, but it all depends on the terrain, but bigger the softer is my rule now.
I've got a 4" nose and my foot is over the truck with a stop on the front right truck bolt, most people seem to do this, so i borrowed the idea and it made great sence.
The only reason for the long nose in my opinion is that it means you are using the widest part of the deck for greater leverage, but i think you could have a deck that was square at the front, with the truck right on the nose as long as its as wide as you need it?? Although without a foot stop it would be suicide!! Mine is 9 1/2" at widest point.
Click here for link If you look at the page before this one, there are some great pics of Erin's deck all set up with the best goodies (dont get much better than that).
|
|
|
|
|
saw the skump!
|
|
On 3/24/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I finaly viewed the videos, and now I get it! I'll check out the pumping and skumping info, and try it out tomorrow, but for now, is there a concensus on what size and type wheels skump best? Is a longer nose helpfull? How far ahead of the truck is the ideal foot placement?
|
|
|
|
|
irresistible offer!
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Thanks to you Gareth, James and Stryker and all the Seattle crew for making us feel so welcome to join you guys in the cone addiction. Clearly that's nothing left for a girl to do but to sell her home and move down to join you guys!!!!
Well ok, short of moving to Seattle, I shall see what I can do about rounding up a Vancouver posse, with Jeffb at the lead, for a cross border sesh some time soon.
In the meantime we'll double our efforts to collect some converts and preach the cone way to life to the locals.
|
|
|
|
|
vids
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Oldstoke,
did you check the vids on the 'images' page on pavedwave?
|
|
|
|
|
Erin.... Come on Down!
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Stryker
wrote in from
United States
(71.112.nnn.nnn)
Erin,
I second what Gareth said. It will be a very good experience for you to see what scene we have going down here. I always bring an extra deck for newbies to ride.Not to mention a new deck or two from my collection. Everyone is there to help each other out with set ups and coaching.
If the weather is good we practice at North Seattle Comm. Coll. if it's bad... James has a private parking Garage for us to use. So Come on Down! Bring some friends.
See Ya. John
|
|
|
|
|
skump
|
|
On 3/23/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I checked out both links, but I guess I've still got to see it done to understand the technique. How fast are you guys compared to skoggers?
|
|
|
|
|
Bringing it to the masses....
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Oldstoke,
anyone would be crazy to point you anywhere other than this direction..
Click here for link
Pavedwave has everything including video of the guys making it look easy, as a newbie i can tell you its different from anything i've done up till now.
The bottom line would be, a super giant slalom type deck, with 'loose' front truck, using traction in a similar way to that you would riding skates or skis, only with one boot!
My Skumping page will give you the basics Click here for link, but all i know i learn't from these guys and gals.
Come get in the groove.
|
|
|
|
|
Pumping/Skumping 101
|
|
On 3/23/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I was refered here from a Silverfish poster when I asked for information on boards to use for cruising distances on flat terrain. I'm used to pushing/scooting/"Skogging", whatever you want to call it, but this pumping/skumping still has me mystified. What exactly is it you guys are doing?
I'm a bicyclist and in-line skater that has been riding a longboard for a few years now and enjoying it much more than the other activities, and would like to find out more about this sport. You guys actually have a technique that keeps you cruising without putting a foot down? Where can I find out the basics?
|
|
|
|
|
Erin
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Gareth
wrote in from
United States
(216.210.nnn.nnn)
Erin-
You really need to make the trek south to Seattle and come ride with us! We don't bite. There is such a great group of skaters in the Seattle area that run cones on a regular basis and we are always looking for new faces to join our sessions - all ages and abilities welcome. It's a ton of fun and a good work-out as well.
And besides, where else can you play "guess what new board john Stryker has in his trunk," see all the crazy trucks that James has in his quiver, listen to tales about pumping 12 plus miles to work and back without putting your foot on the ground, ride new proto-types from RR, AND get excellent slalom coaching tips from Michael Dong and Brad Jackman - all in one spot.
So, grab Jeff Bonney and the other BC Coneheads and come on down for the day!
Hope to see you soon!
Gareth
|
|
|
|
|
slalom
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Erin
I feel just the same about this thing at the weekend, i've not gone through cones ever!
The kids are gonna make me look silly!!
|
|
|
|
|
temptor!
|
|
On 3/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Ah, so tempting, so very tempting James!!! the board, the skate invite, the slalom....
....but I must wait till I have some semblence of a cone skater before I go public down south with the big guns all round. I must admit to being a wee bit intimidated by your slalom pals and a wee bit embarassed by my lack of skill. I'm skating cones like mad so hopefully some time soon I will be fit to be seen on a slalom hill with REAL slalom skaters.....LOL
|
|
|
|
|
pumpilicious concave
|
|
On 3/23/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Guess this might answer both munchh's and ryan's Q's-- real smoooth and gradual concave pumps best for me, the LBL's got no camber but a nice gradual concave pocket, and the Roe deck's just slightly cambered with after-market PPS wedges for concave. And yeah the flames DO make the LBL move faster, I swear!! or maybe its the Gummies? Will get some impressions up soon but Airin if you just drive south a couple hours we could slalom this Sunday and I tell you in person! ;-)
|
|
|
|
|
Concave on pumping decks
|
|
On 3/22/2006
Ryan
wrote in from
United States
(69.181.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone value concave on their pumping deck? If so, do you like it shallow or deep or concentrated over the front foot like a spoon?
|
|
|
|
|
perpetual motion?
|
|
On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
The more i look at it the more it looks like its moving!!
It might be the flames but its a very organic feeling?
|
|
|
|
|
Comet looks blazing!
|
|
On 3/19/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
wow James, that's a pretty sweet, 'just back from Micky land' post! You drop the Comet right on our laps. That board looks like a total blazing machine. Sheesh, awesome job on the design by you and the craftsmanship by Larry.
Ohhh, and then you tease you tell us you are setting it up with the new pink gummies.....ahhhhh, I can't stand it!! Too good to be true.
We'll be waiting for more pix and a ride report fo shore!!!
|
|
|
|
|
zimmers
|
|
On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I've just had too long on my bum and at making decks, not enough riding in the last year.
So Sam, have you got a skumping setup? And if so are you bringing it? I've got two decks set up to bring with me, not pefect, but they give the feel of what its about i hope. Would be good to swap notes.
|
|
|
|
|
Help the aged
|
|
On 3/19/2006 SamG
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.153.nnn.nnn)
What mid-life crisis? UK slalom boys all drive custom-built, triple-butted, carbon-tubed zimmers. It's their kids you have to watch out for!
And I'm originally from East Grinstead. Soft fruit anyone?
|
|
|
|
|
Dig that cutout!
|
|
On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Its a good idea James, love what Larrys done, is it flat?
Hope Mickey looked after you.
SamG,
I will probly be the bloke with his jaw on the floor, when i see all the toys everyone has with them, as for wheels, this will be my 1st time even trying slalom, so i'm more interested in someone who is actually good at it, trying my slalom setup and letting me know if it goes as good as it looks!
Looking forward to meeting people in the know, its quite nice to find something to be excited about, now i'm soooo old, hehehehe.
|
|
|
|
|
LBL LDP 'Comet' Shape
|
|
On 3/19/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
77mm Pink Gummies (on the way from Sk8kings) will soon be hooked up to my LBL prototype 'Comet' cutaway shape -- nearly the same shape as the upcoming Roe LDP deck! Larry really nailed it for me on a couple of decks now, always love his craftsmanship and artistic touches.
Its cool to see you're finding sessions there in the UK Munchh!! Just back myself from a killer sunny north Seattle cone-killin fest, one TS and an easier Hybrid. Jump at every chance to session - esp. in our sketchier climates (unlike those spoiled southern Californians!!)
|
|
|
|
|
Munchh/ Hillingdon
|
|
On 3/19/2006
SamG
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.153.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, just caught you post. If you can make it to Hillingdon on Saturday then it'll be worth saving a decision on wheel choice until then. Michael Stride of Octane Sport is helping sort out the afternoon, so he should have a few different wheelsets to try out. Top of the list for you should be the 70mm Retro Zig Zags. These are both super-boingy comfortable and fast. Avilas are a great super G wheel that'll roll over everything, but respond better with a bit of pace. Because of their size, turns will be more gentle, but they'll sure keep their roll speed!
By the way, I'll probably be the guy with the dodgy stopwatch, swearing to God that it's my turn for a go, looking nervously up at heavily-laden storm clouds and crying about start ramps and timing systems. Oh, and the incredibly strong breeze sending would-be racers backwards!
By the way, do check out the posting on the UKSSA forum.
Sam
|
|
|
|
|
pumping deck
|
|
On 3/17/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Hey Ryan,
I dont know alot about 'off the shelf' decks for pumping, but there is more info than anywhere else on Pavedwave's 'gear' page. Hope this helps.
Click here for link
|
|
|
|
|
Gravity DT for flatland pumping?
|
|
On 3/15/2006
Ryan
wrote in from
United States
(69.181.nnn.nnn)
I'm trying to find a good (pumping deck) home for my carver cx trucks. I'd like to keep it under 38" with a 21-25" wheelbase, and think kicktails are nice. I had these trucks on a LY dragon and want something shorter and flexier. I'm also considering a proflex 36" and a skaterbuilt timewarp.
|
|
|
|
|
more wheels
|
|
On 3/15/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
And there was me thinking the mid duro's were what everyone was using?
I have some 72a 70's flashbacks, they the favorite wheel I have, i'll put them on anything, from my retro mini's to my carving setups, but i have never yet put them on a skumping deck.
This is mainly because i'm using the 160 downhill hangers and they would make the track pretty wide, but the route 70's i used today, were hard work! Its crazy the way this thing has changed my opinion of alot of my gear, i spose its because this is all the riding i'm doing at the minute, although i just dont seem to get it, sometimes it just feels wrong, then earlier i found myself speeding along?
All in all i'm hurting in places i forgot were there and that just pushes me to keep going.
|
|
|
|
|
How to Pump