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records........
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On 4/30/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.158.nnn.nnn)
Forgot to say, i think your right about doing 2 runs within a certain time of each other, its what is done with land speed records and stuff like that, i think this is very fare, the elements are not something that we can control so its just a good idea.
Theres no reason to think that it couldn't be enough time to recover and doing the uphill 1st is a cert.
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The miler
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On 4/30/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.158.nnn.nnn)
Nice one Derek,
sounds like you gave it a real go. I haven't had a chance to try the reverse yet, but tomorow (monday) is a bank holiday, so an extra day off work. This morning it was wet and it rained till midday, the monthly shop needed doing and my god daughter got engaged so big family doo.
I need to try a new setup for this, i'm toying with a few things, i was hoping that the new fish would be up to it, but alas i dont think i am!!
The 36" that i've been talking about, with the CX at the front and highly de-wedged downhill Randal (160mm), it'll be the trusty 70mm flashbacks aswell.
I think i might end up with narrower trucks though, but thats for later, will let you know what happens??
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cyber mile specs test
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On 4/30/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i tried out the cyber mile according to james' specs there. good stuff!
i had a gps watch that measured the distance out, so that made it pretty easy to mark out the course. it also keeps track of elevation gains and losses, so you can tell if you were really carving it up, or just going "slightly downhill..."
i warmed up for about 50 minutes, first with my libtech with a 24 inch wheelbase, carver cx trucks and avilla wheels. When that felt comfortable, i went back and got my insect board with a 31 inch wheelbase, the carver cxs and some softer avillas.
i got up to full speed about 1/8 mile before the start line, and just maintained that across the start and held on for as long as i could. the direction i went for the first mile was a slight incline, which i figured would be beneficial later on when i was exhausted on the way back. there was also a slight wind coming in from the side, which sometimes was helpful, and sometimes a bit of a challenge. on a relatively flat course, the wind seems to be the greatest variable, which makes the 2- direction thing all the more accurate.
my body was pretty spent on the way back, and i had a bit of trouble with maintaining focus. it was an all out sprint, and i'm used to just trying to get into a groove- so this was definitely a different feel. and then, as i neared the finish, i had an equipment malfunction with 1/10th of a mile to go. aw rats. i went back and did the same stretch later though. I think that's one area where the rules might need to be better defined. can i just go back and run the course backwards on another day? if the winds shift, that seems a little unfair. or maybe that's just one of those things... i dunno.
the one modification i would make is this: set parameters around the amount of time allowable between the finish of the first mile and the start of the second.
well- that's my take on the cyber mile. it's definitely a challenge, and it's definitely a good little puzzle to figure out. i dig it!
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the munchh mile
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On 4/30/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey munchh-
did you get a chance to do your reverse loop there? hope the hill was good to ya!
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'The mile'
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On 4/29/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.158.nnn.nnn)
could the mile not be added to 'the trap', a simple solution.
As long as your running in both directions, i've only ever riden my mile loop one way, as there is quite a slope right at the end, gonna see if i can get up it today, mabie i'll take the vid camera along?
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cyber kilometer
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On 4/28/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
erin- you're just gonna have to come down to the states and ride the burke gilman with me and james! and i don't think the cyber mile is only for the speediest folks out there. it's a great way to measure your progress, with one of the first major steps being that you can even pump a mile at all. more than anything else, it's a way to measure your efficiency.
another interesting angle on this topic would be to post our top speeds generated on a flatland pump. kinda similar to the trap i guess...
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1 Adam 12 - COPY? :P
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On 4/28/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.95.nnn.nnn)
I saw that email but I thought it was spam.
Please resend! And thanks bro. It looked inviting.
Cheers mate
cYa
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Metric Conversion
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On 4/28/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
A mile is roughly 1,609 meters. Outdoor running tracks in the States tend to be 400m long, so it's 4 laps = 1600m for the mile. A "metric mile" is also sometimes used (1500m).
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the 'cyber kilometre'
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On 4/28/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Its probably pretty early days for me to consider setting any speed records with my new found love of LDP being still pretty 'new found'. Nevertheless there was this little voice that kept chattering to me about the cyber mile. So I got to thinking of where a good spot would be should I wish to dabble in this little challenge. And then I got to thinking how I would measure such a distance. You see most measuring devices up here, such as the bike computer mounted on my touring 29 inch wheel unicycle, are in kilometres. And no, this 'puter does not have the option of switching over to miles.
Then there are some older cars that still register in miles but that isn't very practical when one is thinking of setting this course up on a local bike path.
So, how about the option of a 'cyber kilometre'?
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Paging Chris Yandall
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On 4/27/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
Chris Yandall, Are my emails of the last week re X-Trux reaching you?
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backward vs. switch pump
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On 4/27/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Backward pump means the feet stay in the same orientation, goofy OR standard, but the toes of the feet point toward the back of the board. Its one cool way to mix things up and change muscles. I've done it from time to time on slower grooves, its kinda scary as Al says to be (literally) hauling butt if you're moving really fast.
Switch pump is actually going from a standard foot stance pump to goofy foot stance pump or vice versa, by hopping or shuffling the feet, and quite a bit trickier to master!
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backwards pump? or switch pump
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On 4/27/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
Is it necessary to call it "backward pump?" Isn't backward pump just switch stancing the pump? if so, switching lead foots for skogging to switch pump is a challenge akin to climbing a mountain peak. Have fun!
Chris Yandall
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backwards pump
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On 4/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey al-
ever since you made that post last week about backwards pumping, i've been trying that out during my rides. thanks for the tip! it does work an entirely different set of muscles, and it's easy to generate power from that stance.
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cyber mile
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On 4/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
you da man james!
although the idea of gutting it out 2 times like that sounds a bit tough, it's a great way to eliminate wind and elevation issues, especially in an event where there is no direct competition required. i like your specs for the cyber mile. i can't wait to go out and give it a shot!
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more technique talk
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On 4/27/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Erin,
Regarding technique talk and sore muscles...try to throw in a 1/2k of 'backward' pumping every now and again, when the asphalt is very smooth. Really it is very refreshing and will add, both to the fun of the ride, as well as relieve some of the 'repetitive' motion fatigue frequently discussed.
It's probably better to do some reverse pumping in the 1st half of your ride, because it can be dangerous if you are overly fatigued. Falling while pumping is a bad enough experience as it is. But, falling 'butt first' in a fatiqued state, can be deadly..I think. The body in not accustomed to react to emergency conditions in this position, and so there could be some very unforseen consequences. However, this is just an extreme precaution. If you get used to pumping backwards, with your face looking over your shoulder to monitor road conditions, you will soon learn to recognize your limitations...while at the same time enjoying a refreshing change of pace in a LD pump session. Also, this type of riding isn't anything new for skaters. Both ice skateres, in-liners and quad skaters have been riding this style for decades. It's just time for LDpumpers to get into it!
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proposed Cyber Mile specs
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On 4/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
As brought up here earlier, the Mile is a universally recognized standard for running distances, so it sounds like a compelling distance for LDP as well. Would like to "test" the Cyber Mile interest level before setting up an automated server-side entry/contest page. I'm willing to post up results people send in until it seems there's enough "work" to automate the process. Here's a shot at the specs:
The Cyber Mile
1. One mile, as flat as possible. The same one mile distance must be skated two times, once in each direction; the average will be calculated.
2. Unlimited flatland start, pushing or pumping. From start line to finish, either pump the entire length, push, or combine pushing and pumping.
3. Time starts when board crosses the Start Line.
4. Time stops when board reaches Finish line.
Please submit your best RAW times in each direction to pavedwave@comcast.net , with name, location, time1 & time2, and any comments -- and within a day or two it will be posted on a pavedwave directory page.
Example:
Name: Speedy Gonzales
Location: Salt Flats, UT
East: 6:15
West: 5:47
Comments: All push, Sector9 Tri-lam, Flashbacks, slight wind.
Any kinks in the specs or other recommendations, lemme know and I'll update!
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oldee butt goodee uni AIR
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On 4/27/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
a few years back screwing around in the backcountry :P . My wife at the time accused me of boredom... the nerve of her!
cYa
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uni stoke
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On 4/26/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Yes James, Seattle has a flourishing unicycle community and they are as warm, welcoming and helpful as the Seattle LDP'ers!
Having had the pleasure of riding with this bunch I can say as well that they are as passionate about their sport as we are about skating.
The big wheels are called Coker's and utilize a 36 inch wheel. The handles allow the riders to shift their weight on and off the seat during long distance rides. Kind of similar to what Derek was saying about switching grooves when going for a long continuous pump. Unicycles have been evolving like mad in the past few years and now not only do we have some amazing off road wheels but there are a couple of geared hub uni designs out there that may soon make the Cokers a bit of a rarity. The geared hub allows the rider to ride a 24 inch wheel while pedaling in a 36 wheel ratio.
The beginning of LDP'ing gear development reminds me of these recent and dramatic evolutions in the one wheeled world. You are pioneers!
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mixers
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On 4/26/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Rowing, surfing, hiking, weights - mostly how I round out my game. The unicycling sounds cool Erin, I've seen groups of people out on the trail with huge-wheeled uni's that had little carbon-fiber handles mounted on the saddle somehow -- flying! Wicked...
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cross training
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On 4/26/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Good point Derek. Cross training is where its at for me too. I've been doing this all my life and after five decades its still serving me well. Besides there's so many cool ways to move the bag of bones why stick to only one sport?!
Currently weight training continues to provide a nice foundation from which I can launch all kinds of other activities. As well, long distance unicycling and off road MUni (mountain unicycling) also offer a nice compliment to my long distance skateboard addiction.
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mixin' it up
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On 4/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on chris!
i've been doing something akin to what you are talking about. i've been going on runs in the morning to loosen up my legs and ankles, because all that pumping can defintely lull those unused muscles into a deep sleep. pushing off the pavement gives a nice little stretch to the toes, whether there's a board under your other foot or not.
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Take it from a Seasoned Veteran - SKOG BI40TCH3S!
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On 4/26/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
Interesting to hear the fatigue overuse yikkity yak.
I guess we are all in the evolutionary process of dealing with long term unknown muscle development. Bikers(pedal) are a good example of strange muscle development from overuse. I wont go into details, but you can google it.
I still love to pump and just got some new footage(last nite) i'll toss up in a few days or sooner.
After I get pumped out, I go gently and smoothly into a power skog and catch my breath, easing up from shredding the cement.
Mind you, this is from a 52 year old frame :D
Skogging forces you to really utilize your balance and body movement in even distribution, which to some might mean "offsetting" overuse. The video I post soon will hopefully show it instead of a bunch of word mincing.
cheers mates
Chris [still skateboarding, after all these years] Yandall
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tired muscles
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On 4/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i switched over to running shoes a couple years ago to help out with the sore calf thingy. the heel is lifted a bit higher than in skate shoes, so you don't have to work so hard to get full use out of your foot.
when i'm overworking certain muscles, i try to change things by raising my center of balance and locking into a different groove. working the upper body is a good way to take extra weight off the legs. i either do a swimming motion, or a kayak motion, or something along those lines with bigger arm swings rotating around my center of balance. the biggest challenge for me in those sore situations is to find some new place to focus my attention so that i can stop thinking about pain. that's where those alternate gears come in very handy :)
doubletime is also a good way to deal with that stuff, because the quickened cadence forces you to be lighter on your feet. but when i'm tired and sore, picking up the pace just doesn't sound all that appealing...
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technique
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On 4/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
That front foot arch cramp, is something i've been dealing with, doing the pumps on my fish, i've found its down to my shoes again. My feet anyway, dont cramp much if atall when i'm wearing a skate shoe (they all tend to be flat with no instep), but when i'm wearing the addidas shelltoe, they have a quite a hight instep and my foot cramps after only a few minutes, i've been doing 1/2 hour on a flat carpark, just pumping up and down, i find i want to stand pretty perpendicular to the deck when pumping it a straight line at speed, but i turn my front foot more with the deck when throwing big 'S' carves.
I'm thinking that a 36"-38" version of this deck would be great for LDP, i'm so chuffed with it.
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technique talk
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On 4/26/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Every time I go for a pump sesh I learn something else about the pumping technique. Its a great journey of discovery!
Yesterday's 20 km skate did a lot to help me focus on tipping the deck from side to side less and generating more forward momentum with quick, short, powerful and smooth 'carves'. Really that's what these moves with the skateboard seem to be, carving the flats with short, connected turns that help to grab at the pavement and pull the board forward.
Over time I could feel my rear calf and front foot arch tense from the repetitive pumping motion. It took some conscious effort and changing up between circular pumps and figure eight style pumps to keep things as relaxed as possible.
I'd be interested in the experience other pumpers have with technique. What seems to work well for you and what do you do to avoid fatique and overuse strains when pumping?
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How to Pump