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pushin when its windy!
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On 5/7/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Beachside cruising is the best, there's a little stretch on this side of the coast as well, down in Westport WA. and Erin's got Stanley park in BC which is exposed to waterfront for a good length. One thing that brings with it are occasional strong wind gusts -- which can make a flatland cruise very UPhill. when the wind hits hard, it gets kinda goofy pumping at 5 mph... for that I mix it up and push for speed.
To strike a good balance between a dedicated pumper thats low CG enough to be pushed easily (with big wheels, no less) -- I'm finding that wedged split-Fires work great, the pic here shows my CarverCX with 75mm avilas vs. SplitFire with 76mm gumballs, the gumball setup is an inch lower to the ground and never gets wheelbite! part of that's due to the fact the SplitFire is much narrower.
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FL Skating
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On 5/7/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Erin, Cocoa Beach FL is the most skateboard friendly town we've ever been to. Perfectly flat, but longboards everywhere. We all skated everyday, and still had time to surf, skim, and fish. The brand new 3'rd floor Pro Skateboard dep't at Cocoa Beach Surf Co. is awesome. Hundreds of different decks in stock. That's where I saw the G&S pintail and knew I had to have one. When I went back later in the day it had been sold! I ended up ordering one from Fibreflex instead.
I liked the idea of a very light flexy minimalist board that looked surfy yet could handle gumballs with no risers on the tiny RII 150's. I also like that it still has a usable tail. It does exactly what I wanted it to, but never did I plan on it being set up for skumping. Maybe we'll check out one of those new pumping boards you guys mentioned. I still don't know how stoked I'll ever get with the discipline - you know me, if my feet don't get to touch the ground I'm missing half the fun!
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pump decks and ... skates?
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On 5/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Erin you mean specifically LONG distance pumping! ;-) yep Oldstoke, RoeRacing just added a Pavedwave LDP board which has been in testing and refinement for over a year, and LongboardLarry just released an LDP as well that Erin rides, they're both up on their respective sites. I've reviewed the Roe LDP on pavedwave so I'll leave that there!
your Fibreflex pin should work well, the rest is just knowing what kind of trucks and wheels you're setting up with, be glad to assist!
the Freelines seem like sideways skates, I couldn't really endorse them because I haven't ridden them yet, but they look like crazy fun if you watch the quick vids. I'm pretty sure the guy that's flying between the pedestrians at mach speed has spent "a few" hours on them...
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pumping board
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On 5/6/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey OldStoke, how was Florida? Did you and your gang get some good skating in?
As for an excellent pumping board, not long ago there were no boards designed with pumping specifically in mind and now there are TWO. Can't go wrong with either I would think.
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Too Many boards
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On 5/6/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Hey Peters, my son got his own "The Wave" yesterday, and who am I to tell him that he has enough wheeled toys already! My G&S Fibreflex 44 Pintail arrived a few days ago, and my other son is losing sleep awaiting his Jay Adams pool board.
Now you gotta tell us about this freeline thing or whatever it was called, they're gonna want that as well.
At least we can all share the family quiver. It's time that we build up an ultimate Skump'n board, since five of us can make use of it. Has there been a consensus yet on what the best all around pumping board would be?
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2 piece gadgets
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On 5/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey oldstoke, that 'wave' gadget sounds a lot like a snakeboard. I've found the 2-piecers fun to tool around on, parking lots, short rides - they do mimic some of the same pump motions. For longer distance I just want that extra 'snap' of energy from a nice pumping deck that creates more acceleration, and the energy rebound from compressing and uncompressing bushings. Plus for longer rides its nice to be able to hit a top speed then just cruise it with minimal pumps, which the swivelly doo-hickeys aren't as good at. Still, they're a lotta fun for what they do! Freeline skates seem to use that kind of motion too, and remove the bar in the middle entirely, might be worth testing out someday...
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switch pump
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On 5/6/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
you go erin!
switch pump. i love saying that. it just sounds so official...
one of the most helpful things that pumping switch has taught me is to keep my weight back on the board. my stance used to be way heavier on the front foot, which made inclines a bit trickier. when i started practicing switch, i still was distributing my weight unevenly and favoring my left leg. but since my left leg was at the back of the board, i was generating energy more efficiently. for a long time i rode all the inclines switch, until i figured out that all i needed was to balance my weight distribution a bit better to get the same effect.
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new jersey
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On 5/6/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey zogs-
isn't tom brown jr. from there? it can't be all that bad... :)
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switch pumping
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On 5/6/2006
Ron Snyder
wrote in from
United States
(69.59.nnn.nnn)
I do at least a little switch pumping everytime I ride. It's really pretty easy to learn at moderate speeds. At slower speeds I can do it almost as well as regular. I start to feel sketchy when I get going fast though. For me the hardest part was learning to really lean into my frontside turns.
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switchin
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On 5/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Cool Erin -- I've found pumping switch on very slight upgrades is where you really think about what you're doing, the timing of weighting and unweighting. Tricky, but totally do-able! At first it felt like I was using the footstop a lot for front leverage and now I'm trying focus on the pump more. The things I like about it are 1. that its like learning to ride a skateboard all over again, and 2. as you said, the benefit of muscle balance and going longer distances. I usually cross-step into switch and back, but have been trying more to just do a bunny hop between stances, can get kinda gnarly at speed!
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The Switch-Pump Challenge!
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On 5/4/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
While doing my stretches this morning I came up with this idea. I am going to learn to pump switch! And I challenge the skumpers on this forum to join me. I plan to give myself six weeks to get down a good solid pump in switch. Who's in?!
I jumped on my LDP board and tried to switch pump right off the bat while gliding down the polished concrete of the long hallway of the loft building I live in. And, IT WAS HARD!!!
So next I grabbed my Drop Pin and tried to switch push and glide. Ahhh, much easier but I was still feeling a bit strangely like a newbie skater.
I figured a reasonable progression would be to cruise my seawall route with a conventional board pushing and gliding switch. Then add some slight hills and carving turns. Then change to the skumping board and try some easy pumps. Sound reasonable?
So off I went for my first switch-push session. Fortunately I have been alternating my pushing between regular and mongo for over a year now so that meant that today I didn't find pushing in switch stance to awkward at all. But gliding and carving were indeed quite foreign feeling while in switch.
I think it would be great to balance the body out while pumping and be able to draw for both sides of the body for power and strength. It seems logical that you could increase total distances skated due to increased endurance if you could change back and forth between regular and switch. Its an experiment I am interested in and would welcome input from any other long distance pumpers. Let me know what you think and if you are in for the challenge.
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Can you smell it?
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On 5/3/2006 Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
I sure can. That sweet sweet smell of Dirty Jersey! So if you feel like hopping on a plane over to the armpit of America... be my guest! Video soon!
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scoping out cyber spots
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On 5/2/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
We've had gale force winds that last couple of days here so no record setting cyber mile times to report yet...unless of course you let me post the times taken with the wind to my back!!!
Actually I have been mainly poking around all kinds of less used roads and industrial area dead ends looking for a good cyber mile spot. I have a couple that look good so next I need to get over there with a wheel and my bike computer to mark off the 1.6 km distance. Then look out - I'll be out there training for my cyber mile record time. Watch out ol' ladies. Get your dogs out of the way! Cyber Erin is about to be unleashed!
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party at mr. zogs place
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On 5/2/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey zogs!
where do you live? that track sounds like a dream...
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two piece articulated skumping board
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On 5/2/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Some guy let my son try his recreational toy "The Wave", a two piece board connected by a sprung steel torsion tube with in-line skate wheels mounted on castors, one fore and one aft.
It was different, but it looked alot like skumping moves the rider was doing.
It got me wondering, has anybody experimented with a two piece articulated board for pumping/skumping?
I know this recreational board was a low-tech toy, but for distance pumping would the concept have some potential?
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Mmmm... Trap course...
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On 5/2/2006 Mr. Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Heh... The cyber mile would rule! I ran the trap recently with my friend on a 176' course and I forget what my time was, but it came out to around 16.5mph or so for me, and 15.9 for him or something... I went to email Adam so I could post my times, but he never gave me a code or whatever... Oh well...
Anyways, my high school track was just redone, but they screwed up the synthetic top. So they stripped all that off and repaved the whole surface... Talk about SMOOOOOOOOTH!!! This past Saturday I pumped around it for an hour or so... Seemed effortless and time passed by really fast... I'm going to set aside a few hours one day and see if I can pump for like, 3 hours straight at a moderate speed... That should rule with some good tunes.
Oh yes... The fibreflex skumper is well on its way to being completed... Should be done in a week or so... I've been really lazy about getting around to it unfortunately. Also, expect to see a skumpin vid from me in a bit...
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BRAIN STORM.....love it!
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On 5/2/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.142.nnn.nnn)
From
"...dont think i'll ever be doing the 12k marathons, but mabie i'll have a good go at the fastest mile?...."
to this in two weeks!!!
Thats why i love this forum, all on here just take hold of stuff and run like crazy and i mean that in the best possible way.
From someone who pretty much rides on his own, you lot are the nuts.
This place alows me to grind them gears in ways that just wouldn't be possible. Thanks.
My personal take on all this is, if i find by looking how 'everyone' is doing from everywhere, that it gives me something other than my own time to aim at than its all good. As for posting times, i'm as enthused as the next skumper, but i have a time problem and setting up a 'cyber'/ trap type thing on your own just isnt very practical, so when i finaly get to meet up with the guys and girls at HP or brighton or somewhere, i'll be keeping my times to post, but till then i'm just pushing myself.
Its all for the stoke.
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racing and riding
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On 5/2/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Al, thanks for the dinero! Just to put this 'racing' into perspective, IMO the keyword on the Cyber page is at top of the chart - "Personal" best. That table reflects just a handful of the people who are capable of sub-9 second times-- when an actual Cyber race is held somewhere in the world, there are other names with FAST times that don't appear up on NCDSA. I think where I rank on that table really matters to just a few people who know me, and of course - me. I've always treated that page, and all my GPS-logged rides with increasingly more efficient commuting times, simply as a way to gauge *personal* improvement in pump technique and gear, and not much else. Besides, once you're posting Cyber in the top 20, then you'd better be able to back that up in person, but other than that the competition is "local" - I just keep track of people I know that are in my general "league" and try to figure out what it is they're doing and improve incrementally. Now, watching someone like Dong?! That just messes with your mind!! So as for breaking the results down into leagues or levels, well, I'd just say we need a data pool of about 100-200 people actually posting times before we even worry about that. Cyber's been around for quite a while and the total online posts are just under 100.
The real reason I ride distance is the addictive rush, and discoveries that come with carving endless turns. The only reasons I see 'racing' come into the picture are 1. to have a measurable way to gauge improvement 2. to give the sport more positive visibility in public and encourage participation, and 3. gives people who might otherwise not meet, an excuse other than just "hangin out" to get out and ride, (then go hit a brewery afterward.)
My personal hope in this 'racing' gig are to see a huge increase in people that come out to just ride across the city recreationally, demonstrating that the modern day skateboard is on par as a commuting vehicle just as much or moreso than blades, unicycles, bikes, etc. the half-marathon is extremely "accessible" in this regard. And secondly, to see the fast kid that comes to the next flatland 13- miler and does it in well under an hour...or 26-er in well under 2 hours.... that wouldn't discourage, it just makes me want to know HOW!!
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Racing..etc...
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On 5/2/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
OK...I'll give my 2 cents in on the 1 mile pump/ push/skump race. The first is, that, as with all the races, I think it is a great idea, and a very normal distance to race. Only a quick comparison with any other velocity orientated sport will tell that this is a logical choice for a race. The only problem I have is that I think riders might hold out due to the percieved differences between what we might call 'professional'level racing, and 'beginner' racing. The truth is, that with all these races, we are competing against the best in the world in these areas, because the feild of pump racers is, at present, not that large, probably under 100-200, or so. And for this reason it is a bit humiliating for the less practiced, or those who are more recreationally minded, to post their times next to those who pump miles everyday, and are currently breaking world records( in one way or another) on almost a monthly basis. It can easily be seen how it is difficult to compete on such a level..that is , for the average rider. Now, this is not to take away from anything or anybody, its just a consideration that should be looked at, so as to help the races become more popular and acceptable to all catagories of rider..the beginner as well as the pro's.
To solve this problem, I would suggest 2 or 3 levels of competitions. The most professional level would be the first, and might be for those who can pump the trap in under 8.5 seconds, the mile in less than 5 mins.,The 200meters in 40 secs or lower...etc..The 2nd level would be for recreational racers who might want to compete, but not on the highest level. These would be for racers who can race trap within 8.5 and 10 seconds, the mile in 5-7 mins. and the 200 meters in 40 to 48 seconds. (I find myself in this second category...but would like to get to the 1st level at some time when I can devote more time to racing!) The 3rd level would be for real beginners...anyone who races trap at over 10secs. for instance.
Anyway, I think with different classifications the races might be enjoyed by a wider range of rider, and thus make the races more likely to succeed and develope over the long run. The racers in the middle or lower classifications can always look to those racers on the higher level for inspiration and more advanced riding techniques and styles, just like it's done in almost all other sports..ie. tennis, cycling, skiing etc...
Ok..thats my 2 cents...or 2 peso's.. if your living here, like me, in the Dominican Republic!
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cx bushings, the Mile
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On 5/1/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Looks like Melanie at Daddiesboardshop has us covered on the CX bushings! When I'm out of those, usually a white Khiro barrel+cone or barrel+barrel combo works great as well.
Thx for the cyber Mile impressions derek! -- if people send in some times I'll get a page going!! Munchh you have a good point it would seem simple to add the Mile to the Trap page, only its a little weird because if you notice Michael Dong is the only one so far to post times on two separate distances, the 44-foot and 176-foot. If you open the Trap page, his fastest MPH (from 44') shows, but the distance column shows the last distance he ran (176') so its a wee confusing. It's possible to click on his history and see which time is associated with which distance, however. Anyway Adam and I discussed it briefly last week and I decided to "test out" the interest level on the Mile first, then IF we actually get enough people sending in data we can move it to something like this.
A lot of buzz about the Trap even on the 'fish, but few people posting times... I spammed Steve in AZ last week and he said he'll be posting HIS time, so keep an eye out! ;-)
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bushings
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On 5/1/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
yeah- i had that same problem. and jp is CONNECTED. if he can't get an answer, there probably isn't one...
i just did a little research, and i *think* those bushings are called thunder bushings? it's the closest thing i can find. i ordered a bunch of different types to test out, because everything else is getting chewed up pretty good after a couple rides.
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silent carver
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On 5/1/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.158.nnn.nnn)
the marketing disaster is that it is impossible to get through to Carver's email, to ask them any direct questions? I just kept getting auto responses, thank god for JP, thats all i can say.
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carver stock bushings
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On 5/1/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey- does anyone know the name of the bushings that come with the carver cx trucks? all i know is that they are red, kinda see through, and they last almost twice as long as anything else i've tried. it's a marketing disaster not to have their name on their product- i would buy a crate of those things if only i could only find out what they were...
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go it dude!
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On 4/30/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on munchh!
yeah- the push alternative opens it up a bit- i like that! i can't wait to hear how it goes, and any feedback you have on this. have a great ride.
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specs....
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On 4/30/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.158.nnn.nnn)
I've just reread the specs, i didn't realise James had said 'pushing, pumping or both'!
I can get straight to it in that case, i dont think i can pump up that hill yet, but i can push it.
Cool, i'm getting my tools out, its 23:40, the girls are all crashed after the party (and Nate of corse) so i'm gonna cover the front room in parts, if this rain is gone at any point tomorow, i'll get 2 combined runs in for sure, my miler is right outside my house!
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