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On 1/8/2005
Sam Rivera
wrote in from
United States
(24.205.nnn.nnn)
I am just wondering how to slide going really fast? I have watched videos and can't find how to do it. please will someone tell me how to do it.
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radio
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On 1/7/2005 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
seems like some folks just need more toys(radios). I don't know the exact situations at your hills. I ride mostly solo, and blending and staying "under the radar" are my statagies. Going to a hill and insisting that your gonna ride it right now and with rides to the top,to let you ride it over and over again,until you get caught don't forget for the most part,riding hills is poaching,like grinding a ledge or handrail.If you do it constantly and don't leave after a couple rides ,sounds like your gonna have all the problems the kids got at their "favorite ledge", plus a few bonuses like the invariable 40 mph crossing paths with an suv. They don't expect you,think for a second,(why would they?) i've used gloves for they're ultimate purpose, stopping from 40 plus to avoid crossing a car that i didn't know if they're were gonna see me, they may have the stop sign you should have the "stop sense". You guys are out there directing traffic so your fun won't be interrupted.I guess you need to ride alot to get really good, and hiking a hill by yourself a couple times every couple of months doesn't cut it.
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Radios/Yorck
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On 1/5/2005
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Yorck,
Radios work to help the spotters communicate. However, the spotters after getting information on their radios, then need to use hand/arm signals so as not to cause confusion. If the person in the car is yelling/calling out alerts, they may not be heard over the car noise or other traffic/sounds.
Glad you guys are helping with this issue!
Cliff Coleman
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Puck Advise and Safety Rules
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On 1/5/2005
North Carolina Longboarder- DownHill Billies
wrote in from
United States
(166.82.nnn.nnn)
Cliff and Herbn: Thanks for the advise on the pucks. I have been using the HDP and have rounded the corners on the other gloves but the ideas Herbn has regarding the attachment options are very good.
Cliff's Safety Advise: Guys, this is good stuff! My local crew rides mostly at night so this type of spotting and signaling is even more important. Three of us happen to also be cyclists so the Car Up Car Back phrases are part of our normal lingo. Pointing out the confusion regarding GO and NO is huge. I am completely deaf in my right ear (from getting hit by a car on a bicycle back in 1981) and I often confuse those two words, especially from a distance. We run several blind intersections and without spotters it is just asking for trouble or DEATH! At night there is little traffic but often the traffic that is there are youngun's hauling ass in their (fill in the blank with your favorite rice burner, 4 wheel drive, or Momma's mini van). We also skate near 4 bars so you know what happens when you mix alcohol, gas powered vehicles, and idiots driving them----DISASTER!
Cliff, thank you for making a big deal about Safety. I am wishing a Happy, Prosperous, Blessed, and Safe 2005 to all you sliders out there!
Marion Karr
North Carolina Longboarder
DownHill Billies
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On 1/5/2005 Yorck
wrote in from
Netherlands
(82.83.nnn.nnn)
Did you ever work with radios combined with earplugs? I thought about it and it could work out great if the car driver in front just announces the cars coming uphill with type and colour. It also helps not to meet the cops on your way.
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*!* Important, Please Read *!*
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On 1/4/2005
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
I want to discuss some safety precautions/methods to be used when riding/sliding roads and hills.
Safety Calls/Alerts, while riding:
If we as riders see vechicular traffic, ie, cars, trucks, motorcycles etc., driving/approaching from down the hill, we call out, CAR UP! This refers to the direction that the car/vechicle is traveling. If a car/vechicle is driving behind us as riders, we call out: CAR DOWN! Once again, refering to the direction that the car/vechicle is traveling, downhill. If a car/vechicle approaches from either side, we call out: CAR LEFT, or CAR RIGHT!
CAR BACK! can be used instead of CAR DOWN if you prefer. This is what Bicycle riders use for communication. Both alerts, CAR DOWN and CAR BACK work great.
It is very important to have all riders World Wide, on the same page and using the same alerts!
Hand Signals for spotters:
When skating down the road, any road that leads to a blind turn, the first skater to arrive at the corner is responsible to become the spotter. First he/she must slide to a stop in his/her own lane, prior to the corner. Then that rider positions him/herself to be able to see clearly in both directions. This allows them acting as spotter to see approaching traffic, and the skater who wishes to ride through the turn.
Next the spotter either has to give the GO SIGNAL, or the STOP SIGNAL.
The GO SIGNAL, is when the spotter holds one arm/hand in the air and swings that arm/hand in circles like a windmill. This is simple and works without even speaking a word. "Silence is golden". More on that later.
The STOP SIGNAL, is when the spotter holds up either ONE, or BOTH arms/hands. Straight up and not circling!
!!!Important!!!
The rider must always keep looking at the signal from the spotter. Even after the initial, "ok to proceed signal". Why? The spotter may need to change the signal from GO to STOP, after the rider has begun the descent! The analogy would be, driving a car/vechicle through an intersection. The driver sees that the light is green and drives through. However, if the light changes from green to yellow and then red, the driver must stop to avoid horrible consequences. Don't skate through any blind corner/intersection, without continuing to monitor the spotters signals!
Now, back to "silence is golden" when a spotter is standing at a blind corner/intersection, signaling to GO or NOT to GO to fellow skaters, if you yell NO to the rider who wishes to skate through the blind turn/intersection, NO will rhyme with GO. This could easily cause confusion! Don't use GO or NO for signals! Use your HANDS/ARMS when signaling instead!
With more and more riders out there, we need to remember and use these simple safety methods when skating. If you approach a blind corner/intersection and don't have a spotter, you are playing Russian Roulette with your life! Don't do it!
Skate Safe!
Cliff Coleman
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Slider gloves for John Hutchison
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On 1/4/2005
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
John,
If you look to the left of the page you posted on, you will see a web-site for: Timeshipracing.com. Timeship Racing and some other companies have gloves for sale. You can always use the search engine here at ncdsa. Just enter slider gloves. Also, a few posts down, you will see a post by Herbn. He talks about his method of securing the pucks to the gloves.
For my own personal use, I use the new Timeship slider gloves with carbon fibre protection for the knuckles and detachable/replaceable uhmw pucks for the sliding surface.
There you go John,
Cliff Coleman
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sliding
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On 1/4/2005
John Hutchison
wrote in from
United States
(24.7.nnn.nnn)
PLEASE!!!! some one help me i need to know what site to get some sliding gloves just please put the link.I have already tried to make my own but the pucks always fall off wut kind of glue do u use well please e-mail me! I realy appreichiate it.
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UHMW plastic thickness
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On 1/4/2005
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Marion,
The thickness of plastic on one's gloves is all a matter of choice. I like mine at .5 because I don't have to reach quite as far to place my glove on the road surface.
Like Herbn says, round the edges of your pucks to help keep them from catching or hanging up on road obstacles.
Herbn,
When are you going to leave the comfort of your town and visit some of us on the West Coast?
Cliff Coleman
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slider glove plastic
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On 1/4/2005 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
I lace mhy uhmw to the gloves by milling out small areas,just like drilling but it's a cutter that makes a flatbottom hole,then two small holes let the lace come in one hole and back down the other without being directly on the sliding surface. I prefer .250 ,but you have to be able to work accurately,i counter bore about.190 or .200, this is pretty thin but with the thinner plastic and if you round off the sides of your sliding piece it doesn't have alot of leverage to tear off if it should snag on a crack or a manhole. I also use two large pieces,one to cover the palm and one on the 4 fingers.Sometimes ive put a little piece on the gauntlet section of the glove,for getting really low down and dirty. I could sell that stuff, i have a four foot high stack of 3 by 4 foot sheets,lots of purty colors.
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Best Thickness of "uhmwpe"?
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On 1/4/2005
North Carolina Longboarder- DownHill Billies
wrote in from
United States
(166.82.nnn.nnn)
Cliff,
I am getting ready to order some uhmwpe from McMaster and Carr and was curious to your recommendation on the best thickness to use. Their website lists the available thicknesses as:
.125, .25, .375, .5 (and stuff thicker)
Which thickness would you suggest? I am going to attach them with glue to leather work gloves. I have been using cutting board and your right, it just don't hold up that long if you are sliding alot. Cutting board is fine for slide gloves for safety but I have destroying pucks sliding.
Also, the widths available vary from very narrow to about 6"...the usable range seems to be between 4" and 6"...I was thinking the 4" wide would allow me to make pucks with limited cutting just shaping to contour. Got any suggestions here?
Thanks for the info in advance,
Marion Karr
North Carolina Longboarder
DownHill Billies
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Rideing this weekend in San Jose
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On 1/3/2005
Mark Johnson
wrote in from
United States
(68.124.nnn.nnn)
Cliff come on down this Saturday Jan 8 at 9am. We will be doing Slalom in the morning and then hitting some hills afterwards. There a nice sliding hill and bomb run nearby, not to mention the (PG)and i will also have a fat one for you!
I would love for you to come out and share some of your skate knowledge with all the sk8ers and the newbie’s that show up.
Sparky J
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Sliding gloves
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On 1/1/2005
Jogger
wrote in from
Australia
(202.63.nnn.nnn)
Just a quick word on the types of gloves to use. Alot of people use motorbike racing gloves which are ok but don't offer as much finger protection as a set of welding gaunlets. Welding gaunlets are double layered leather and some come with kevlar stitching. The Gaunlets sell for around $10 Australian so the're damn cheap too. Just go to your local hardware store and ask for them. On the topic of what to use for pucks. I'm lookin at a brick of Teflon that my mate gave me. I'm gonna see how this stuff goes, I'll get back with the results.
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new year slide
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On 1/1/2005 boyd
wrote in from
Australia
(203.23.nnn.nnn)
just a couple of photos from today, starting to link those slides now on the dirt
thanks for the help, the other arm makes it happen
Click here for link
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BBC article on the Faltown guys and sliding.
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On 12/30/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Here is a link to the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/extremesports/stories/nov_2004/faltown_skateboarders.shtml
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hands down
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On 12/27/2004 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
uhmw has of course much greater wear resistance than hdpe,i havn't used hdpe,well maybe once by accident. It could slide easier because its tearing apart but i do think uhmw was slippier. As far as your hands sliding out from under you the best advice on that is being stronger. Strength training can help, particularly shouldersm,push ups ,pulldowns, shruggs,work em in all directionsm,so when your hand trys to slide out,you just keep it in place,with muscle.
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Wowwwwww
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On 12/27/2004
João Marcelo - Billy
wrote in from
Brazil
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Man, That´s the best notice of 2004 and 2005!!!
Congratulations about your Forum man!!
Cliff very very good see you again!!
My english still bad but You Still RIP man!!
Hugs and see you soon ok??
Call me ok??
João Marcelo - Billy
Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Cutting Board is my favorite
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On 12/27/2004
Mark Johnson
wrote in from
United States
(68.124.nnn.nnn)
Hey Cliff: is saw your post about Cutting board not being a good Idea for sliding gloves, I have to say they are my favorite surface for sliding. I have had a pair of sliding gloves for over 6 years now and the glove is falling apart but the cutting board still has a good 6 years left, I don’t have the same style as you do so this may be the reason i like the cutting board surface,(Also there is probably a bunch of differnt types of materials to make cutting boards), I don't put hardly any wait on my sliding hand, I just us it so i don’t fall on my ass, I also like the surface of the cutting board, it seems to have a little bit of resistance when sliding, this is probably a good thing for someone who is learning like me,I am still learning, the other stuff you mention is very slippery and I don’t seem to have much control of my sliding hand, some times my hand slips out from under me, yikes. Also you can go to Ross or Marshals and get a cutting board for $3.00; you can have enough material to make a pair of gloves for yourself and your friend. Just a personal note on Sliding
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Merry Christmas
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On 12/26/2004
ALEX
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(62.255.nnn.nnn)
Merry Christmas Ya'll and a slidy new year. I've done the usual and eaten until I hert. I tell you I'm gonna stick to skateong-less painfull!!!
Best Wishes
Alex
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best christmas ever!
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On 12/26/2004
snakeman
wrote in from
Sweden
(81.226.nnn.nnn)
christmas greetings from SWEDEN. its 10cm snow on the streets today but on christmas eve me and my friend simon slided down a steep road in stockholm in -4 degrees four a couple of hours and people all over tha place, that was the best christmas in sweden ill ever had and a perfect memory! now we are goin to have snow for a long time but now we can snowskate and snowsurf instead!
anyway, have a perfect holiday and a happy sliding 2005
erik SWEDEN
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Happy Holidays!
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On 12/24/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
I sincerely hope all skaters and especially sliders have the best Holiday Season. We are planning to skate through this holiday season. Here is a look at the weather in Berkeley, California this time of year. Copy and paste this address: "http://scienceview.berkeley.edu/view/".
Can't wait to skate,
Cliff Coleman
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tacomacalistud
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On 12/23/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Tacomacalistud,
Check here: "www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/sliding.html".
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how do i stop this thing??
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On 12/23/2004
tacomacalistud
wrote in from
United States
(69.166.nnn.nnn)
i just got my sector 9 and its totaly sick cause i live right infront of a decent hill however theres a driveway to a houseing complex at the base of it and ive almost got nailed countless times, and my shoe isnt gunna stop me fast enough any advice on how to slide my sector 9 super cruser stealth?
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Merry Christmas Haggy and all in OZ!
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On 12/22/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Haggy,
Thanks for the photo. Great times, great racing, great friends. Life is good!
Happy Holidays everyone,
Cliff Coleman
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Be Merry!
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On 12/21/2004 Haggy
wrote in from
Australia
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Hey Cliff!
I like your forum, good stuff. I gotta go out sliding again soon, back to the hills in Mosman... I've been hitting the skateparks more lately, trying to learn how to ride bowls, they are so much fun.
Here's a shot of the Man and myself, not long before Cliff raced like a Bat-out-of-Hell and became Open Champ of the SuperG at the Worlds!
Happy holidays and New Year!
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