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Flywheels
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On 12/21/2004
Jogger
wrote in from
Australia
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Yeah but...Flywheels wont cone out because thier centre set.
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Rob
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On 12/20/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Rob,
Sliding has been around for a relatively short period of time. Most often, riders have made their own gloves. Cutting board however is not the best plastic to use. It is "hdpe", high density polyethelene. If you do many slides at speed, they will wear out right away. Instead, use "uhmwpe", ultra high molecular weight polyethelene. This will last through years of abuse.
Now that sliding is becoming larger, many opt to buy manufactured gloves. Timeship Racing just sent me a new pair with carbon fibre knuckles and uhmw pucks. These are very sweet gloves. Just go price a pair of snow board gloves and then you will see the bargain that slider gloves are in comparison. Shop around. Do a search, and then decide for your self whether to buy or make your own.
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Isaiah
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On 12/20/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Isaiah,
I think the Cherries are a little old school. They are heavy and not very resilent. The newer Abec 11 series and the 3-DM wheels have a much faster roll. Regarding the Fly Wheels, I haven't riden them. I usually find that too large of a hub without the necessary amount of Thane can cause for a harder feel to the ride. Chaput however has recognized this and added more Thane to his Fly Wheels. Some of my favorites for soft fast wheels are, Avilas 78a to 85a. Avalons from 80a to 85a, and Abec 11 Gumballs 80a to 84a.
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Eric
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On 12/20/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
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Eric,
I am familiar with the Slide Gear devices. Alan Sidlo is a great friend of mine, but I am not a fan of his slide devices. The material is so strong, that to have the plastic of the slider wrapped around the rider's thumb could be a problem. If it were to catch on any obstacle, it could possibly rip at the thumb, with such force, possibly leading to a severe injury. I don't like the idea that I might lose my thumb. I prefer the plastic attached to a glove.
*Remember* These are only Cliff Coleman's opinions regarding posted questions.
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Joseph
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On 12/20/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
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Joseph,
I personally would go for the Gumballs with a durometer of 84 all the way around. You and I are big guys and you get more stability and durability with the wider wheel patch. They slide well and give plenty of grip when needed.
Cliff
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sliding gloves...
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On 12/20/2004 rob
wrote in from
United States
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do most people buy gloves from companys? or do the "ghetto" way and make there own.. exp.-- set of work gloves with cutting boards attached by lots of velcro..
just curious.. the ones my friends and i have made hold up really well and havent had any problems.. dont know if its worth spending the money on buying aset from a site or store.. hit me back with comments..
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fly vs cherry
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On 12/20/2004 isaiah
wrote in from
United States
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hey cliff I know theres many debates on whether flywheels or cherrries are better but from a strictly downhill/cornering slide perspective which do you think is better?
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Thanks
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On 12/20/2004 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
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Thanks for everyone's advice-Paul
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slidegear
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On 12/20/2004
Eric
wrote in from
United States
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Just to point out another slide glove alternative, check out www.slidegear.com. These are sliding pucks that strap to your bare hand, or over the top of a glove or wrist guard. Cliff, have you ever checked these out? Any opinions?
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Toe sides
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On 12/20/2004
Jogger
wrote in from
Australia
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Hey Paul, I taught myself toesides about 2 months ago. I found that I really had to concentrate on turning rather than sliding. Get used to loading up the toeside edge of your board and gradually turn harder. When you go to grab your board I've found that if I grab just behind my front foot I can control the slide (slightly) better, cause there's more weight at the back. Be wary, with toe sides you have alot of weight at the front of the deck so the back flips around real quick. Good luck with it
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wheels
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On 12/20/2004
joseph
wrote in from
Australia
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thanks but unfortunately i already have the trucks so with the deck i'm using avila's are way to wide. gumballs are the widest wheels i can use. have you ridden strikers? it's between them and gumballs.
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Joseph
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On 12/20/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Joseph,
I think the 88s are a little hard if you are looking for a good "soft" wheel. I think the same wheel in about 84 makes a big difference. For what I think is the best large soft wheel for grip that still slides well, try the 3-DM Avilas. Get the 80a set. It is truly amazing how well these wheels stand up to the abuse of sliding, without flat spotting. They will give you great life for your money. Remember, with any soft wheel, you have to scrub/slide off the shine on the wheels surface before you get a predictable slide. All it takes to do this is to hook your back shoe against the edge of your deck when doing your first few slides.
Good luck Joseph. Say hello to the crew in OZ.
Cliff Coleman
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mid range wheel
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On 12/19/2004
joseph
wrote in from
Australia
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just wondering what your favourite soft downhill sliding wheel is. i want something 70mm plus that is flatspot resistant and still has a little bit of grip and a smoothish ride. i am going to go for 88a gummies unless you have a better alternative?
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Costa Rica Surf Trip
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On 12/19/2004
Magoo
wrote in from
United States
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Cliff,
The guys at Swaylocks.com should be able to help you out. Hit the discussion boards and post all of your questions.The aloha spirit is alive and well at that site and I would bet money that your questions about a Costa trip would be answered quickly.
Been lurking for some time and want to thank you for the good information that you share. I've surfed Costa several times but it has been with away from the mainstream areas - sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Magoo
Surf by Day,
Skate by Night...
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Slider Gloves
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On 12/19/2004 Bled
wrote in from
United States
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Gravity is going to start selling sergio yuppie sliding gloves
go check out the forum for more info.
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pucks rule!
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On 12/19/2004 herbn
wrote in from
United States
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cliff ,you just go to damn slow. Those gravity guys haul ass, they go so fast that if they get pitched , they've got plenty of time to get those pucks out of their pockets before they hit the street,recently they started using old style cellphones as slider gloves,they dial the "9" and a "1"at the start of a run and then they just got to hit a one on the way to the street:) Dis-claimer,no dis-intended, no way does this post suggest that i feel that the gravity dudes don't skate well.
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Thanx
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On 12/19/2004
Márcio
wrote in from
Brazil
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Cliff
Thanx for the pic links.
Have fun and slide hard!!!
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Marc F
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On 12/19/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(67.120.nnn.nnn)
Marc,
The "Bear Paws", are the most durable. It is a welder's glove with pucks attached with velcro. I use their other model. It is sleeker and better looking and works fine. It's a little more in cost because the glove that they start with is a more expensive glove.
What you saw on the Gravity video, was a bad example regarding sliding and safety. One of their team riders made himself a sliding piece/puck that was curved so he could hold onto it wwhile sliding. He would then sometimes puyt it in his pocket while riding but not sliding. If he were to be suddenlu pitched for any reason, he would never get to that puck in his pocket. He would also only use one puck and transfer hands when needed. If a rider gets pitched, he/she needs plastic on BOTH hands! Lastly, what happens if said rider were to drop the puck? As soon as he was past the speed that he can sprint, he would be in a lot of trouble.
These are the reasons that I think that one particular puck design is dangerous and should not be tried, promoted etc.
Cliff Coleman
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Slider Gloves
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On 12/19/2004
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
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Cliff, do you use the Bear Paws? I was also wondering if they sell the replacement pads? I saw on the Gravity video that some of the guys just had a big piece of plastic material in their hands instead of the gloves. What are they using? Thanks Marc
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Where to buy slider gloves.
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On 12/19/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
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Marc F,
You can do a search using that function here on "ncdsa". There are a few companies that make them. My personal favorites are from "Timeshipracing.com".
Cliff Coleman
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Slider Gloves?
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On 12/18/2004
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
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Where do I buy slider gloves?
Thanks
Marc
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Answer for Paul.
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On 12/18/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Paul,
I would learn the heel-side slides first. With heel-side slides, you are looking in the direction you are going. It's easier to see traffic than with toe-side slides. If you fall when doing a heel-side slide, you fall forward usually and can more easily get on your hands. If a rider falls in a toe-side slide, they could get thrown to their back and possibly to their head. All riders, wear your helmet, especially on toe-side slides. Paul, if you want to learn the toe-side slide, start in a parking garage. Do one after another until you get them down. If your shoulder is problematic, you could slide to the smooth concrete and stop, probably without hurting the shoulder if you start slowly enough.
Good luck,
Cliff Coleman
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Dislocating left shoulders
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On 12/18/2004 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
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Hey Cliff, hopefully soon I'll get my act in gear and learn to slide "hands down" mostly as a speed control/safety issue. Frontside or heelside works OK with me, the problem is sliding toeside/backside and using my trailing arm (I'm goofy foot so we're talking about my left arm/shoulder). I can do backside Bertlemans on banks just fine, but that's with a stationary hand-plant. What worries me is downhill travel sliding toeside/backside using my left arm and it's unstable left shoulder. Would it be better to try to use both hands to learn toeside slides or just skip it and stay frontside/heelside where I'm not putting my arm into a bad position and learn to pendulum then slide backwards/fakie in order to make a left turn while sliding? Oh by the way, "The Big Hill" G/S spot is getting lots of Pine Siskins and the Oregon Grape still has some red fall leaves showing- just for you man. Later and good surfing -Paul
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way to go cliff!
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On 12/18/2004 Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
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Cliff
I am so pleased you have your own forum...it couldn't have happened to a more deserving person...Cliff Coleman is THE slide ruler!
cheers and happy holidays
Michael
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A Clinic for South San Jose.
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On 12/18/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
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Judy,
I'd be happy to run a clinic in South San Jose. I don't have my calendar set yet, but let's talk again about it after my trip. I'll be back and ready to schedule a clinic after 1-27-05.
Thanks,
Cliff
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