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dragging my butt
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On 8/23/2004
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for your comments and sugestions guys. Yeah my Landy DH is pretty low, that's true - doesn't leave much room between me and the road. And yeah, I have found that I'm wearing the same spot out when my butt touches pavement. I tried some leather and then two layers of ballistic nylon but with the many slide practice sesh's we've had this summer even those patches have gotten worn through.
Interesting about wheel duro. I have been running 78a Gumballs most of the summer and now am on 75a Flys. I like the grip for deep carving but I guess its a trade off when it comes to sliding.
Butt skid plate does indeed lead to long slides if I come off the board which I have really only done a couple of times when sliding in the rain and losing my footing on the water logged grip tape...but that's another story.
But for now sounds like I have a three options: get a higher board, skate on harder wheels that allow the slide to break free more easily and/or use a small piece of skid plate to avoid injury.
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Butt slides
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On 8/22/2004 everett
wrote in from
United States
(64.136.nnn.nnn)
Well i think everyone has there own opinion to everything so i am not saying this is right but maybe for you it is. the ass puck thing i think is a good idea. i have murdered a bunch of pants and shorts due to that and the cost racks up. plus if you have ever had a real injury on your ass you will know that it sucks big time. i have a three inch by three inch chunk missing from my ass and it took the skin a very very long time to heal. once it did...well i won't have to tell you its not a pretty site.
if you look on your pants you mich discover there is a pattern of where your but is hitting the ground. if you see that there is then only but a super small peice of plastic there becuause anything bigger will cause some mayhem. for example, if you try any 360s or a gnarly rail grab and have too big of a puck there you are going to slide a lot...bliindside. so if you find that the holes are all over the place then take hc's word for it and use a peice of leather. take it from me he knows what he is talking about, but if there is a clear pattern a small peice of plastic might save you some er fees.
with the landys i only found myself doing that if i had 78a wheels or just soft wheels in general. not saying that is it but it could be. with the lowrider deck i found my body contorting way too much to throw everything out in a slide. but i solved that one with some good 90+ wheels so that might do it.
but i will just say props to the rail grab on that board, if you are using the landy, cause i have really killed the skin on my fingers due to its height.
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ass draggin'
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On 8/22/2004 hc
wrote in from
United States
(67.123.nnn.nnn)
If you can touch you butt cheek to the ground mid slide, it's a good sign that you are getting down low and using good technique. (Yes, the landy decks don't allow you to drop you butt below the deck much.)
But I don't recommend using a plastic puck over your butt.
When you loose control of your slide, you want to be able to sit down and slide to a stop on your ass, hands and feet.
A leather patch over the butt area would be the best solution.
If you feel your board is too low, try some risers.
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Butt slides
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On 8/22/2004
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
I've been working on slides for the sake of safely coming to a stop from moderate speeds all summer. My Colemans are slowly coming along but my rail grab slides are getting quite reliable. I'm happy about this as it was my main goal to be able to do speed scrub slides and fast slides to a stop in order to make my carving and bombing a safer activitiy.
Unfortuately, from the start my heelside slides have often resulted in blowing out the seat of my pants when things went a little amiss and I ended up 'saving' the slide by dropping my butt a little lower. As time went on I realized I had better invest in a butt skid plate as I was wearing out too many shorts for my slim budget.
Now I regularly wear the skid plate and it has saved my butt many a time. On a really perfect slide, my slide glove is down, my other hand is grabbing the rail and my butt is clear of the road. But not every slide is perfect.
I'd like to not have to rely on the skid plate and one day when my Colemans are nailed down the tendency to drop my butt onto the pavement will likely disappear. But in the meantime I could use a bit of advice here. Is there any way I can modify my sliding stlye so as not being prone to dargging a butt cheek on the ashphalt? Is it because I'm short and riding a lowrider... should I just get used to it? Or can I make some adjustment that will keep my butt higher up when sliding?
Any ideas?
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Brakeboard truck brake setup
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On 8/22/2004
Scottboard
wrote in from
United States
(198.81.nnn.nnn)
Hey, does anyone possibly know where to aquire the "Brakeboard" truck setup? Every shop and the company itself seem to be out o' stock till after Xmas. We need it now....any help would be gr8ly appreciated :)!
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slider gloves: reply to Crash Test Dummy
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On 8/20/2004
swooper
wrote in from
United States
(69.20.nnn.nnn)
quote: "On 8/13/2004 Crash Test Dummy wrote in from 63.115.xxx.xxx: (United States)
Hey are sliding gloves suppose to be used to slow you down, keep your balance or both. I know some people use cutting boards but they won't slow you down much. Thanks for your help."
Hi Dummy, Your right, the cutting board gloves are pretty slippery. You put your weight on your hand and it just slides down the road freely. Gloves are helpful for:
Just gliding your hand(s) on the pavement for fun.
Getting a little bit of drag to slow down some when you don't want to slide the board. I've found this real useful when I've gotten caught out in the rain a couple of miles up the hill from the car. Alternating some gentle slides with ordinary turns I'd stay low the whole way, keeping a hand or two on the road and fully prepared for an unexpected loss of traction.
Landing on with knee pads in the "hands and knees" position if you can't run fast enough.
But of course they mainly allow you to put weight on your hand(s), unweighting the board and making it slide more easily and with better control. Also, adding the 3rd leg to the tripod gives you tremendous stability. For me they opened up the world beyond pure carving and introduced me to the full range of wheel traction and lack thereof. The first time you really lay out fully across the road with both hands down, making a big, long toeside slide in full control, you'll get that "whole new world" feeling.
It's probably best to learn sliding with a hand or two on the road, then you can move into standing-up slides which give you the speed control more efficiently.
One of the best things to do with a slider glove comes when you're blowing a power slide and are going to land on yer butt. You can get your gloved hand under your butt and land on it, saving your pants and skin.
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A$S MASTERS
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On 8/20/2004 XXX
wrote in from
United States
(69.104.nnn.nnn)
There sure seem's to be a lot of talk about taking it on the ass in this forum. Sounds like you guys got your technique down!! Since Myrran is sk8'en in SF I'm sure he's one of the best!
Take it any way you can as long as you can!
Keep it clean.
XXX
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crash control
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On 8/20/2004
roger
wrote in from
United States
(130.166.nnn.nnn)
Myrran,
Yup, when there is no time to slide, then you have to resort to things like sliding on SUV hoods, your ass, or whatever. Maybe for reasons like a driver voiding your right of way, bad descent strategy, or going beyond skills - its only a matter of time before you have use alternative stopping techniques, when controlling your speed turns into controlling a crash.
Sliding on your ass, bouncing on hoods, etc. is all about "crash control" rather than "speed control". In many cases, sliding on your ass gives you the greatest amount of control, puts you feet first rather than head first, and puts the toughest parts of the body to the ground first. But... sometimes its better to jump over an obsticle and take the tumble.
btw: I often ride just slightly beyond my skill level ;)
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sliding on your A$$
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On 8/20/2004
APW
wrote in from
United States
(24.52.nnn.nnn)
I think that were talking about different types of riding. San Fran requires alot of speed control slides. I ride with Roger on hills that we think are some of the best in the world (weve all heard of GMR, right?) and we dont have to worry about traffic like SF. But weve all been in a situation were a slide will not stop you in time (like going into a turn a little hot, wheels breaking loose as normal but there not going to hook back up before your off the road and in the dirt. So what do you do?, Let your leathers take the beating and sit on your ass!
I have much respect for you SF riders and hopefully get to skate with you at the gravity fest next month.
Aaron
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Roger
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On 8/20/2004
Myrran
wrote in from
United States
(67.116.nnn.nnn)
If you dont have time to slide then you are in big trouble.
Im in San Francisco and the Hills here have no mercy. The Huge hills we ride here are some of the best in the world but go unridden alot due to the heavy flow of traffic on a lot of them. In town, and i mean downtown san fran there are great hills but lots of lights, cabbies,and Pedestrians. If you cant predict what some one is going to do and not leave yourself time to stop via sliding then you messed up before you think you have. The Key is to see the ones who dont see you and leave yourself an out. There is no Friggin way im going to run-off or slide on my ass-off, when i can slide to stop. Ive only been hit only Once in the city, and i skate to work every morning and its downhill all the way 25 blocks. I had the right of way se just did not see me coming, i saw her coming but had no time to slide so i ended up on the hood of an SUV at 20 mph .....well untill she stopped then i was on the pavement about 15 feet in front of her, hehe. Got a new Sk8 out of it though.
If you have to slide on your butt....or runoff your board its a good chance yoou are sk8ting past your ability and should try some hills with less traffic untill you are good enough for the in-town sessions.
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gravy station all stops...
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On 8/19/2004 psYch0Lloyd
wrote in from
United States
(198.160.nnn.nnn)
okay, so i made a quick call to my contacts in brazil (portugese is such a tough language) and they in turn spoke to both the t2 and the predator. Both of whom have no idea what these guys claim to know what their talking about.
so having skated the crater, i decided to drum out a message to keitango and paalu of the big island. they don't know of the digitaldojo.
finaly spoke to my old friend Ho B. in oregon and she said that somebody's felching something fierce.
gravity: it's not the fall that kills you...
...it's just that sudden stop!
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cliff coleman slide clinic in cornwall UK
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On 8/19/2004 jonnyx
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(195.92.nnn.nnn)
please see my post in the UK forum
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skating in sydney
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On 8/17/2004
boydinaus
wrote in from
Australia
(203.23.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for getting back, Cliff. Here on the Central Coast (just north of Sydney) there are a few of us old schoolers, who will try to head down for a session if possible. Paul Carey and I were just going to come to watch you guys ride even if we couldn't do the clinic. I will contact you bit closer to your return so you know where you will be riding and what the deal is with the set up. From my memories of living in Tassie it is full of very long, steep and twisty roads, I just hope the weather is letting you enjoy it. Hope to have a skate.
Boyd
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Cliff Coleman in OZ in Sept.
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On 8/17/2004 Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
Australia
(143.238.nnn.nnn)
I'll be skating in Sydney from Sept 5th to September 7th. Three full days. Then I fly to Queensland to skate with friends up there between the 8th of September till the 11th. Contact me at mobile number: 0411-854-256. The party answering will be Tony Obst. Just ask for Cliff. I'm in Tasmania now and will be here for another week and a half. I will then fly to Darwin for another week before traveling back to Sydney.
Hope to skate with you somewhere Boydinaus,
Cliff Coleman
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Brazillian
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On 8/16/2004
roger
wrote in from
United States
(130.166.nnn.nnn)
Brazillian skaters rock, there's no doubt about that. But gravity and momentum are the same here as they are there. Some of my favorite roads do not have any uphill, or otherwise inverted gravity, to them at all and must resort to using friction (air, urethane, rubber, etc.)
Digitaldojo,
if you got any new ideas, then share them.
(otherwise, well, it sounds like sci-fi BS)
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Myrran
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On 8/16/2004
roger
wrote in from
United States
(130.166.nnn.nnn)
Learn to slide - agreed.
But you missed an important point.
What are you going to do when there is not enough time to slide?
Sliding on your ass is a response to an emergency, not something you plan on (unless you are geared for it).
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foot direction
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On 8/16/2004
roger
wrote in from
United States
(130.166.nnn.nnn)
Joeseph is right,
TOES FORWARD!
The foot and knee are very weak taking sideways stress and you can snap something without any warning. I'd guess a slight angle is ok (I do many times), but never sideways!
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Rubber
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On 8/16/2004
roger
wrote in from
United States
(130.166.nnn.nnn)
C.D.,
Start with shoes that worn out, where there is hardly any material between your foot and the road. Then you can still feel the board after adding 3/16”-1/4” of rubber to them. Harder rubber (neoprene 80A) last much longer (2x or 3x) than soft rubber (40A) and works as good or better, but not quite as good as new shoes. I’m ordering some natural gum rubber from www.mcmaster.com (only available in soft 40A?) to compare.
Neoprene rubber, unlike gum rubber, leaves skid marks on the ground and can be useful to mark the road for riders behind. It also smokes and stinks, just don’t inhale ;)
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cliff coleman in australia in september
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On 8/16/2004
boydinaus
wrote in from
Australia
(203.23.nnn.nnn)
whereabouts will you be riding over here?
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switch colemans
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On 8/16/2004
boyd in aus
wrote in from
Australia
(203.23.nnn.nnn)
hi there, i've been reading these board for several years now to learn tips i might use for off road (and being a 50 year old "still a skateboarder" in australia some of the things said really reasonate with me)
anyway i have been using carve technique mostly over the past few years on steep roads, with a bit of slide for style, but a few months ago, after some study, i started to nail switch coleman slides on my favorite dirt road (it is a hard packed sandstone base sand road - like a groomed snow surface, very sweet to slide or carve) and they are just a buzz - linking 180 after 180, like a pendulum down the road - throwing the trailing arm thru made a hell of a difference to controlling the drift around switch, gets the shoulders in the "new" right place
anyway thanks guys, especially cliff coleman,
today i was talking to an engineer at work who asked what i'd done with my weekend - skated!
boyd
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isaiah
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On 8/14/2004 Everett
wrote in from
United States
(69.106.nnn.nnn)
sorry most of that one was in response to your post
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Crash Test Dummy
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On 8/14/2004
Everett
wrote in from
United States
(69.106.nnn.nnn)
Yeah i have the landy dh with randall rII 180s on there and it works pro. right now i run these 70mm 78a wheels and they are great for carving but they work like crap for sliding. i find that to do pend. or anything else i have to throw my body pretty hard. its fun and all but when you have a long run your knees, more specifically your mcl, just ache from the movement. i would recomend some krypto 70mm 90a hawaii k's to keep it good. i had those about a year or so on mine and it did whatever i wanted. i would say throw on some harder wheels but for cornering i know its better to have a bit softer of a wheel so the 90s were a good match for that deck. if you are into the whole gummy wheel thing then softer is for you. but for sliding those kryptos will work fine. a better version, in my opinion, would be the gravity 73mm 94a wheels but for things like cornering they might hinder a faster slingshot unless you are trying to go for 360 slides. in the case of the 360s they would be about the best wheel you could get per mm and duro.
about your braking with gloves, if your not using uhwm plastic (cutting boards for example) i just put as much pressure as i can on them with my hand but your writst and elbows might not like that one after a while.
hey has anyone mastered the toeside one footed blunt slides. i have made some but don't know if i can arch them into a pendulum just yet. figure you guys from england would have a better idea.
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Gloves
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On 8/14/2004
Mischo
wrote in from
Canada
(154.5.nnn.nnn)
Slider gloves are ment more for stability than braking and you want them to slide otherwise you'd be getting pulled back up hill, slowing you down faster and streching your hands out.
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Sliding Gloves
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On 8/13/2004 Crash Test Dummy
wrote in from
United States
(63.115.nnn.nnn)
Hey are sliding gloves suppose to be used to slow you down, keep your balance or both. I know some people use cutting boards but they won't slow you down much. Thanks for your help.
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landy DH or EVO
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On 8/13/2004 isaiah
wrote in from
United States
(24.21.nnn.nnn)
I really like the way the landy DH slides and i was thinking oif setting one up with randall DH trucks and maybe 88a gumballs. i was wondering if anyone has tried to use gumballs t slide, ae the just too grippy to be a good sliding wheel? and if anyone knows what other wheels that are under 80 mm that have good long slides
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